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08/02/2014, 10:04 PM | #1 |
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What are common terms, utilities, and products
Basically I'm new to the world of saltwater aquariums. I'm going to get a 10 gallon tank when I learn enough about care and maintenance. I was hoping someone could let me know what I need to know, what materials are required and why, and what I will need to do to get this aquarium set up.
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08/02/2014, 11:33 PM | #2 |
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Okay, good luck with your tank here are a few general rules
ITEMS NEEDED FOR TANK . PROTIEN SKIMMER, although some people consider it optional for small tanks I consider it one of your most needed equipment for running a tank, it takes dissolved fish poo out of your water. When you go to the ocean and foam on the beach that is also dissolved fish poo, the waves work just like a protien skimmer. RODI WATER A Nessecity for sps corals, and and carries no algea in it so algea is harder to grow, you can buy RODI at your LFS or probobly even a wal mart, but if you decide to upgrade to a larger tank a RODI filter becomes a must. RODI filters remove ALL dissolved solids where as declorinator only remove chemicals GOOD LIGHTING Especailly if you choose to have a keep a reef you will need good lighting. I personally use LEDS to light my reef because it gives corals a illuminesent glow, uses much less electricity, and does not heat the water. The only two drawbacks are that upfront it cost more than the other options T5 and metal halide, but the cost levels itself out because halides and T5 require you to replace the bulbs every so often( which are 30 bucks a piece) and the electricity cost is much higher for halides and T5. The other reason is because since LEDS are new to the hobby people can't be certain if they work long term for sps coral, however I have seen an increase in growth when I switched to LEDS for my last reef and many others have also. LIVE ROCK Live rock is perhaps the most essential piece of equipment in a reef, it is called live becuase it is covered and full of benificial bacteria which break down left over fish food and poo so the protien skimmer can get rid of it. You should have 1 pound of live rock per gallon of water so you should have 10 pounds. Live rock also provides hiding places for fish and growth room to coral it is the vase that supports your reef. Another cool fact about liverock is that it since it is from real reefs it sometimes carries creatures with it people have found bristleworms, crabs, starfish, hermit crabs, urchins and sometimes even octopus and fish; to learn more about liverock look up liverock hitch hikers it will help you determine if your hitch hikers are good or bad. Another thing to add is sand use sand not crushed coral or gravel as it will hold all your bacteria that digest fish poo, while a lot of people use live sand I have found that dry sand works just as well, the same rule applies 1 pound of sand per gallon of water. SALT Salt is what makes the ocean the ocean, you need it to keep any saltwater critters alive, for salt use instant ocean or coral life brand salts they carry good nuitrients like calcium in along with your salt. To make sure you have the right salinity use either a hydrometer or refractometer they will measure your salinity. TEST KITS These will test for amonnia, nitrates and nitrites to determine whether it is safe to add your fish. I would suggest you get the Red Sea master kit. OTHER EQUIPMENT Here is a list . Filters either HOB or canister these provide extra mechanical filtration they are usefull for your tank but only optionary live rock will be your primary source of filtration . Reactors there are many types of reactors phosphate, carbon, and calcium to name a few, usefull in a large tank but not in a smaller nano tank CYCLEING CYCLEING is the period in which your tank waits for about a month in which good bacteria build up to the levels that can digest fish poo, it is absolutely essential to cycle your tank you can speed up your cycle by adding a bit of the fish's food to give the bacteria food cycle ands when the fish food is gone and all amonia and nitrite levels are at zero, a good sighn your tank is CYCLEING is a high range of nitrates which are bacteria poo( harmless to fish) and mean the bacteria are processing the ammonia. Never cycle your tank with live fish it is cruel. LIVESTOCK Your livestock will consist of your fish and inverts. For this tank 2 small fish such as clownfish, gobies, possum wrasse, and firedart fish will work. For inverts you will want a clean up crew which consists of hermit crabs, snails and other inverts who will eat algea; they are also fun to look at. For fish stay away from tangs, triggerfish, angelfish, groupers, and large wrasses as they will get to big REEF TANK HOBBIEST SLANG CUC clean up crew HOB hang on back filter DT display tank, in larger tanks there are tanks who sit underneath the display tank which houses the fish these tank are called sumps and are used to store equipment DSB deep sand bed, a sand bed of 3+ inches that is considered a good source of biological filtration BB bare bottom when a tank has no sand and instead has just glass, it is one style of reeding and can look quite good if you put the effort in it IJGGD I just got a good deal used to tell someone that you got a coral frag for only 100 dollars instead of 120, very usefull when trying to communicate with other reefers in front of spouse or partner as they will flip if they know how much of your paycheck you will be spending on this hobby it's addicting MH metal halide GPH gallons per hour usually used in context with powerheads RC reef central LFS local fish or pet store, never trust them frag a small piece of coral that will grow into a large coral OTHER . Feed your fish mysis shrimp or black worms . Do water changes weekly of 10% tanks total volume . Buy a good book on the hobby it will help you a lot if you get it from the library make sure the publication date is new as a lot of the information is dated . Never trust your LFS as they are just trying to make a sale not do what's best for you . Reasearch anything you want before you buy it . Nothing good happens fast in this hobby patience is the key . Good luck, you made a good choice in coming to RC we will try and help you with the confusion of starting a new tank |
08/03/2014, 12:36 AM | #3 |
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Thanks a lot fishhuman, I appreciate your advice. What is Rodi water? And what role does water hardness play in the equation? I've got a freshwater tank and I can tell you the water is pretty hard.
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08/03/2014, 05:38 AM | #4 |
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RODI is reverse osmosis de ionized water. Really the best thing for your tank. This eliminates the need to use tap / hard water.
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08/03/2014, 07:11 AM | #5 |
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Read the stickies and ask questions on the forum. Keep reading the stickies, become confused, and then set a course and follow it.
Seriously, reading about starting a tank here and on other forums is the best way to start. A 10 gal tank is small but will be a good starting point for learning. Good Luck! |
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A 10g tank is probably not a good idea to start with. Stuff happens very quickly in a 10g tank and you can kill everything pretty quickly with a simple mistake. I would start slightly bigger if possible. Maybe a 20g or small AIO Nano??? It would also depend on what you will be keeping in your tank.
Some other terms to get familiar with: AIO = All in One Softies = soft corals, usually easier to keep alive (ie...Mushrooms, Zoa's, etc...) LPS = Large Polyp Stony Corals, harder to keep alive but with some experience and stable parameters not difficult. (ie...Frogspawn, Hammer, Chalices, Acans, etc...) SPS = Small Polyp Stony Corals, usually difficult to keep alive and must have rock solid stable parameters and extremely clean water. (ie...Acropora, etc...) GAC = Granular Activated Carbon (Cleans the water and takes the yellow tinge out so you get crystal clear water. BRS (Bulk Reef Supply) Rox Carbon is probably one of the best) GFO = Granular Ferric Oxide (Removes Phosphate from water. Rowaphos, BRS GFO, Phosban are some common name brands) ATO = Auto Top Off (Used to automatically add fresh RODI water to your tank to maintain Salinity at your desired level) Dose = the process of adding Calcium, Alkalinity and sometimes Magnesium to your tank. 1.024-1.026 = typical salinity of Reef systems Reactor = A type of filter that pumps water down a tube and back up through media to make it tumble around for better filtration. Bio Pellets = small plastic bio-degradable media usually used in a reactor to help Bacteria grow and eat away/reduce Nitrates and some Phosphate. Skimmate = Dissolved Organics (gunk) that get pulled out of your water by use of a protein skimmer. Good Luck.
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How did I forget all of those
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08/03/2014, 01:13 PM | #8 |
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Thanks guys. Is there any way somebody could take a few pictures of one of their set ups and explain how it works? Like the filter, skimmer and all that? Preferably a smaller tank, but honestly I'm pretty intrigued by all of this so I would love to see anybodies tank if they are willing to show it.
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Read through all of the stickies in the new to the hobby forum and browse through some tank build threads. It's much easier to answer specific questions instead of "tell me everything".
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Sorry I'm really new to this. What are these stickies and where can I find them?
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If you go to the main page for the "New to the Hobby" forum, at the very top of the list are a few threads that say "sticky" at the beginning of the title. Check them out, there's a lot of great information in them. Don't get discouraged by the amount of new stuff there is to learn, most of us took months to research the hobby before we started a tank.
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Like Tim said your best bet is to read the stickies and as many post as you can. In this "New to the Hobby" section there are plenty of people who have asked all the same questions so you'll find a great deal of information by poking around...that's how I started to learn. Anyways, you asked people to post a picture of their setup so I figured I'd put a link to my new build so you can get an idea. I started setting this up about a year ago but didn't get around to finish working on it until last month. Still needs final touches but it's on its way.
My display tank is a 40g and the sump is a 20g. I'm using a "herbie" style drain (look up that term) on my display, which is why there are two drain lines on the left...one is the "full syphon" drain and the other is a backup/emergency. The hose on the right is my return line back up to the tank. Here's a list of how the setup works: 1. Water drains from the display tank down through the hose into the sump 2. It enters the first chamber where I have my skimmer located 3. It goes through two baffles 4. Then it passes over the live rock I have in the middle of the sump 5. It passes through two more baffles 6. In the last chamber there is a pump that pumps the water back up to the display tank The direction of the flow in my sump is from left to right. If you're going to go with a sump make sure you google the hell out of how you need to figure out water flow with regards to water drain speed and size of return pump. https://cderleth84.imgur.com/all/ |
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I know it's counter-intuitive at this point, but a small tank is really not making it easy on yourself. I'd suggest putting the largest tank you can, in whatever space you have available. You don't need a sump or any of the fancy stuff to start out with... and I think that's what scares people away from larger tanks. All you need to start with is a tank, water, a heater, and a way to move water around in the tank... as well as some live rock. Simple lighting if you only want fish; higher powered lighting if you want fish and coral. In smaller tanks, things can go wrong very quick due to the small amount of water. With larger water volumes, there's more room for error (which will happen, no matter how much research you do!) and more water to dilute those errors. Think of it like putting a drop of food coloring in water - one drop of red food coloring in a cup of water is going to look pretty red, while one drop in a gallon of water won't even be noticeable. It's the same way with water parameters in a tank. Also... a 10g tank really really limits you as to the fish you can put in there. You won't have many choices, and you won't be able to put more than one or two in there. I'd seriously look at a minimum tank size of something at least 3 feet wide. This forum is a good source of info, as others have noted. If you're a "read a book" person like me, a good starting point would be Fenner's "The Conscientious Marine Aquarist". There's a newer version out now than the one I started with, but even the older one gives a good overview of just about eveything you need to know. |
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See I've got a 46 gallon, but it's home to some of my favorite freshwater fish. I don't want to spend a ton of money on a new tank and stand, but then again I could never kill my fish. Is a 10 gallon even possible? Just out of curiousity how much did you guys spend on your setups? My freshwater was close to 500.
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Well, if I take into account every dollar that I've spent including:
Building the stand myself (all materials even down to the screws and stain) Tank Sump Skimmer Light Plumbing Dry rock Glass baffles for sump Return pump Pump for skimmer Overflow box Livestock; both fish and corals Live sand Supplements Testing kits MP10 powerhead RO/DI system And more that I can't think of right now... I think I'm easily in the hole for $1000+ But I did buy all these things over the course of several months and I tried to find as many deals as I could by buying used equipment. Your best friend will be either Craigslist or your local forum on this website. People are always giving stuff away or selling at crazy good deals just to help out a fellow reefer who can use the equipment that they don't need anymore. I bought my tank, sump, skimmer and pump all used at killer deals from people that didn't need them and just wanted to hook it up. Now that I've been in the hobby for a while I like to pass the deals along to others when I have items that I no longer need. I just sold a guy 5 x Hydor Koralia powerheads for $20 for all of them, which brand new were about $300. Keep that in mind in the future when you're looking to get rid of some stuff. |
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You should post a picture
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I posted a link to my pics a couple posts up in this thread. I'm still building this system though. I'm about to get new lights in a couple weeks. I also need to buy a Neptune Apex controller and an ATO (auto top off). So I'm gonna spend even more dough.
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I tried opening it, I think it might be a dead link.
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RC Acronyms
A=Amp AA=Amino Acid AC=Activated Carbon AC=Alternating Current Acan Lord=Acanthastrea AEFW=Acro Eating Flat Worms AFAIK = As far as I know AFM=Aquarium Fish Monthly, magazine AGA=All-Glass Aquarium AGE=Acrylic and Glass Exhibits Alk=Alkalinity Amp=Measure of electrical energy ASW=Artificial Sea Water ATC=Automatic Temperature Control ATO=Auto Top Off ATS=Algae Turf Scrubber AZA=Association of Zoos & Aquariums BB=Bare Bottom Blasto=Blastomussa BOD=Biological Oxygen Demand BZA=Blue Zoo Aquatics BTA=Bubble Tipped Anemone BTU=British Thermal Unit BTW=By The Way Ca=Calcium CBB=Copper Band Butterfly CC=Counter Current (type of protein skimmer) CC=Crushed Coral CFL=Compact Fluorescent Lamp CL=Closed Loop CO2=Carbon Dioxide CSL=Custom Sea Life CTA=Cellulose Ariacetate C2C=Coast To Coast Cu=Copper CUC=Clean Up Crew CWCS=Continuous Water Change System Cyano=Cyanobacteria DAMHIKT=Don't Ask Me How I Know This DC=Direct Current DD=Downdraft (type of protein skimmer) DE=Double Ended DFS=Drs. Foster and Smith DI=Deionization DIY=Do It Yourself dKh=German Degrees of Hardness DO=Dissolved Oxygen DOC=Dissolved Organic Carbon DP=Double Post DT=Display Tank DSB=Deep Sand Bed EB=Electronic Ballast ETA=Estimated Time of Arrival. FAMA=Freshwater And Marine Aquaria (magazine) FAQ=Frequently Asked Questions FFE=Flying Fish Express FO=Fish Only FOWLR=Fish Only With Live Rock FTS=Full Tank Shot FW=Freshwater FWIW=For What It's Worth FWE=Flat Worm Exit GAC=Granular Activated Carbon GBR=Great Barrier Reef GBTA=Green Bubble Tip Anemone GFCI=Ground Fault Circuit Interrupter GFI=Ground Fault Interrupter GFO=Granular Ferric Oxide GHA=Green Hair Algae GPD=Gallons Per Day GPH=Gallons Per Hour GSM=Gold Striped Maroon GSP=Green Star Polyps HA=Hair Algae HD=Home Depot HLLE=head and lateral line erosion (a fish disease) HO=High Output (fluorescent light) HOB=Hang On Back HOT=Hang On Tank HTH=Hope This Helps HQI=Mercury (Hg) Quartz Iodide IA=Inland Aquatics IBTL=In Before The Lock IIRC=If I Recall Correctly IME=In My Experience IMHO=In My Humble Opinion IMNSHO=In My Not So Humble Opinion IMO=In My Opinion IO=Instant Ocean IR=Infrared IW=In Wall JJ=Just Joking JK=Just Kidding JM2C=Just My 2 Cents K=Kelvin (Lighting) 10,000K Kalk=Kalkā€vā€asser KISS=Keep It Simple Stupid kWh=Kilowatt-Hour L=Liters LA=Live Aquaria LA3/L3=LumenArc 3 Lbs=Pounds LED=Light Emitting Diode LFS=Local Fish Store LHS=Local Hardware Store LMB=Lawn Mower Blenny LMK=Let Me Know Lobo=Lobophyllia LOL=Laugh Out Loud LPH=Liters Per Hour LPS=Large Polyped Scleractinian (Stony) coral LRB=Little Red Bugs LR=Live Rock LS=Live Sand LTA=Long Tentacle Anemone MACNA=Marine Aquaria Conference of North America, held annually MASNA=Marine Aquarium Societies of North America MB=Magnetic Ballast MD=Marine Depot meq/L=Micro-equalities per Liter Mg or Mag=Magnesium MH=Metal Halide light Milli=Acropora Millipora MJ=Maxijet MM=Miracle Mud MO=Mail Order nTOTM=Nano Tank of the Month NH3=Ammonia NNR=Natural Nitrate Reduction NO=Normal Output (fluorescent light) NO2=Nitrite NO3=Nitrate NPS=Non Photosynthetic NSW=Natural Sea Water NTS=New Tank Syndrome NTTH=New To The Hobby O2=Oxygen OM=Ocean motions (4 way pump) OP=Original Poster ORP=Oxygen Redox Potential OTS=Old Tank Syndrome PA=Premium Aquatics PAR=Photosynthetic Active Radiation PB=Pulse Ballast PBITAWA=Pour Bleach In Tank And Walk Away PBT=Powder Blue Tang PC=Power Compact (fluorescent light) PE=Polyp Extension PH=Powerhead PITA=Pain In The A** PM=Private Message P04=Phosphate PPM=Parts Per Million PPT=Parts Per Thousand PS=Protein Skimmer PVC=Poly Vinyl Chloride QT=Quarantine Tank RBTA=Rose Bubble Tipped Anemone RC=Reef Central RC=Reef Crystals RDSB=Remote Deep Sand Bed Rics=Ricordia RK=Reef Keeping, on-line aquarium magazine RO=Reverse Osmosis RODI=Reverse Osmosis, Deionization ROFLMAO=Roll On Floor Laugh My A** Off RR=Reef Ready, (aquaria with pre-drilled holes and overflows) RSM=Red Slime Remover RTN=Rapid Tissue Necrosis RUGF=Reverse Under Gravel Filter SCWD=Switching Current Water Director SE=Single Ended SG=Specific Gravity Shrooms=Mushrooms SPS=Small Polyped Scleractinian (Stony) coral SSB=Shallow Sand Bed Sticky=Always on top forum thread that does not expire STN=Slow Tissue Necrosis SW=Salt Water / Sea Water TBH=To Be Honest TBS=Tampa Bay Saltwater TDS=Total Dissolved Solids TFC=Thin Film Composite, type of RO membrane ThOTM=Thread Of The Month TIA=Thanks In Advance TIC=Total Inorganic Carbon TOC=Total Organic Carbon TOTM=Tank of the Month Trachy=Trachyphyllia TRT=The Reef Tank (aquarium bulletin board) TTT=To The Top TWP=Tap Water Purifier (from Aquatic Pharmaceuticals) UGF=Under Gravel Filter ULNS=Ultra Low Nutrient System UV=Ultra Violet V=Volt VHO=Very High Output (fluorescent light) VSV=Vodka Sugar Vinegar W=Watts WC=Water Change WD=Wet-Dry (a method of aquarium filtration) Wellso=Wellsophyllia WNL=Within Normal Limits WPG=Watts Per Gallon WTB=Want To Buy WTS=Want To Sell WTT=Want To Trade WQ=Water Quality YGM=You Got Mail YGPM=You've Got Private Message YMMV=Your Mileage May Vary (your specific results may vary from mine) YWG=Yellow Watchman Goby |
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As far as spending money on a new tank/stand, realize that in saltwater the tank/stand cost is going to be one of the cheapest expenditures. Not entirely sure I want to do the mental math of how much I have into equipment for my sumpless-46g reef, but to put it in perspective I recently spent about $600 for new LED lighting. Granted, I could've kept running my old PC-tube fixture, but replacing the bulbs every 6 months at $90-100 each time started getting old. You get the idea. When I originally set up the tank, I'm sure I had more than $1000 into it before I even added a fish. |
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I agree about the size being small. Smaller tanks, IMO are harder to keep stable.
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