Ich POLL! - Page 8

THEDLO · 03/24/2011, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by RBU1

Well just an update on my end for those that are curious. I added the Scribbled angel last Friday and "knock on wood" not a single spot on him. The Achilles hybrid still has a few spots here and there but nothing major. No signs of rapid breathing and everyone is acting and eating normal. I will not be adding any more fish to the tank for a while to let things settle down.

PICS! so i can appreciated your specimens :P

RBU1 · 03/24/2011, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by THEDLO

PICS! so i can appreciated your specimens :P

Sk8r · 03/24/2011, 06:18 PM

Watch the water quality and keep nitrate as low as possible: with all those nems and corals, that will help a lot with nitrate. Particularly watch alkalinity, which can hurt skin resistence, ime, if too low. Looking beautiful. If you subscribe to Burgess' theory, if you don't add any more fish for a year, you'll see a decline in its infective ability. Greenbean says not proven, but it would be nice to see it proven at least in your tank.

MAVX · 03/24/2011, 11:28 PM

I haven't had a fish with ick for over a year, does this mean they won't get it unless something else is introduced?

Gogandantess · 03/25/2011, 12:10 AM

RBU that's a nice lookin' female Scribbled. I once had one.

Sk8r · 03/25/2011, 12:27 AM

THe theory runs---and this is not proven---even if you have had ich in the past, if it has gone away and has not been back for months, ---AND you quarantine any new arrivals---a year's lapse between fish means it is less and less likely your quarantined fish will catch it.

The theory runs that the parasite loses vigor over time and isolation, with tank occupants getting more and more immune, over 11 months--and if you then qt your new arrivals, you are much, much safer. Burgess, the scientist who did the study, does not have universal acceptance, or anything like it---but---it's something to afford some hope for those who have huge tanks, minimal opportunity to qt the whole herd, and the chance to start anew with proper procedure.

MrTuskfish · 03/25/2011, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by MAVX

I haven't had a fish with ick for over a year, does this mean they won't get it unless something else is introduced?

I think this is 99.9% true 99.9% of the time; and 99.9% of the exceptions have an explanation that we've probably missed. IMO, a big part of this whole "mystery" is that we are dealing with microscopic creatures, often mis-identified and basically ignored by science. There is much we just a lot we don't know for certain and there is very little money available to study things that really only effect SW hobbyists. I think this is changing some as aquaculture, for human food purposes, evolves.

JTL · 03/25/2011, 12:38 PM

I am in the camp that does not believe all tanks have ich. If you do have it I believe it can be lurking and at some point reappear. I have quarantined my fish and never had a problem and from time to time they have been stressed. I also think the theory of the parasite losing the ability to reproduce after some period of time holds some merit.

syrinx · 03/25/2011, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Sk8r

THe theory runs---and this is not proven---even if you have had ich in the past, if it has gone away and has not been back for months, ---AND you quarantine any new arrivals---a year's lapse between fish means it is less and less likely your quarantined fish will catch it.

The theory runs that the parasite loses vigor over time and isolation, with tank occupants getting more and more immune, over 11 months--and if you then qt your new arrivals, you are much, much safer. Burgess, the scientist who did the study, does not have universal acceptance, or anything like it---but---it's something to afford some hope for those who have huge tanks, minimal opportunity to qt the whole herd, and the chance to start anew with proper procedure.

This was my rsponse on the eel thread to this theory-

I hold the belief- through no valid science- only experience- that ich does exactly that- to a point. Namely that after a period of time with healthy fish not allowing more than a occasion gill latch, the ich does not reproduce exponetially, rather the opposite. That there is a very low level of ich surviving to keep the genetics there for when there is the oportunity for a "bloom". This is not dissimilar to other animals that live in balance by breeding to the conditions available for survival. It explains why ich pops up in tanks that haven`t had fish added or any outbreaks in 5 yrs plus.

THEDLO · 03/25/2011, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by syrinx

This was my rsponse on the eel thread to this theory-

I hold the belief- through no valid science- only experience- that ich does exactly that- to a point. Namely that after a period of time with healthy fish not allowing more than a occasion gill latch, the ich does not reproduce exponetially, rather the opposite. That there is a very low level of ich surviving to keep the genetics there for when there is the oportunity for a "bloom". This is not dissimilar to other animals that live in balance by breeding to the conditions available for survival. It explains why ich pops up in tanks that haven`t had fish added or any outbreaks in 5 yrs plus.

sound theory. i like it.

RBU1 · 03/25/2011, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Gogandantess

RBU that's a nice lookin' female Scribbled. I once had one.

Not sure if its a male or female. The person I got it from said something about seeing some speckles on the tail fin. Time will tell...

Gogandantess · 03/25/2011, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RBU1

Not sure if its a male or female. The person I got it from said something about seeing some speckles on the tail fin. Time will tell...

It's a female. the lines in the center of the body are more vertical while the lines in the males run horizontally. Right Angel experts?

RBU1 · 03/26/2011, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Sk8r

THe theory runs---and this is not proven---even if you have had ich in the past, if it has gone away and has not been back for months, ---AND you quarantine any new arrivals---a year's lapse between fish means it is less and less likely your quarantined fish will catch it.

The theory runs that the parasite loses vigor over time and isolation, with tank occupants getting more and more immune, over 11 months--and if you then qt your new arrivals, you are much, much safer. Burgess, the scientist who did the study, does not have universal acceptance, or anything like it---but---it's something to afford some hope for those who have huge tanks, minimal opportunity to qt the whole herd, and the chance to start anew with proper procedure.

Well this morning when the lights came on.....The Achilles was covered more then every and the scribbled had it also. Must have had a huge outbreak. Time will tell if they can fight it off and pull thru. Not adding another fish for a long time. If they don't make it and all the fish start to die off I will pack it in....

syrinx · 03/26/2011, 12:23 PM

you can see it on the fotos of the scribbled- at least it looks like it to me.

MrTuskfish · 03/26/2011, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RBU1

Well this morning when the lights came on.....The Achilles was covered more then every and the scribbled had it also. Must have had a huge outbreak. Time will tell if they can fight it off and pull thru. Not adding another fish for a long time. If they don't make it and all the fish start to die off I will pack it in....

Beautiful tank & livestock. I REALLY hope I'm wrong on this one.

djze · 03/26/2011, 04:52 PM

Well this morning when the lights came on.....The Achilles was covered more then every and the scribbled had it also. Must have had a huge outbreak. Time will tell if they can fight it off and pull thru. Not adding another fish for a long time. If they don't make it and all the fish start to die off I will pack it in....
the achilles is one of the toughest fish to keep i have had 4 in the past no matter what i did they would get ich the only success was with copper but in your case that's not an option the only thing i can recommend that has worked and is still working for me is heavy garlic on the food with selcon & vitamin c also plenty of water changes .also the problem with the achilles if he doesn't fight the ich off he will be miserable and therefore keep the other fish stressed & that will only keep the ich population up if you can remove just him i would good luck with your battle

RBU1 · 03/27/2011, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Gogandantess

It's a female. the lines in the center of the body are more vertical while the lines in the males run horizontally. Right Angel experts?

The person I got it from is an angel expert, and he told me the specs on the tail fin are an indication it could be a male. But it will take some time for the colors to develope to determine for sure.

badwolf · 03/27/2011, 10:15 PM

Could have done with a maybe as there really is no way of knowing unless there is a outbreak. However I do not believe all tanks have it any more than I believe all people have a cold virus. But it is possible it is there and the fish are fighting it off well enough we never see it.

MrTuskfish · 03/28/2011, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by badwolf

Could have done with a maybe as there really is no way of knowing unless there is a outbreak. However I do not believe all tanks have it any more than I believe all people have a cold virus. But it is possible it is there and the fish are fighting it off well enough we never see it.

Funny, Although I do agree with you on the ich; most (if not all) people probably do have a cold virus and have just developed immunity to most strains. However, a virus is far from a parasite and the two just can't be compared.

syrinx · 03/28/2011, 03:36 PM

People do develop resistance to parasites though, I would think fish would as well.

Lukel · 03/28/2011, 03:42 PM

I Had to vote yes, but i havn't seen a ich breakout in atleast 3 months, and i replaced my sand bed a month and a half ago.....

jk1138 · 04/04/2011, 05:47 PM

I bought some False Percs last week and have had them in my QT tank. I gave them a close look over tonight and they both have ich, something I had not seen on them when I got them. I will be moving them into my hospital tank later for some hypo salinity. I wish I didi not need to do this, but better in my QT tank than my DT.

MrTuskfish · 04/05/2011, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jk1138

I bought some False Percs last week and have had them in my QT tank. I gave them a close look over tonight and they both have ich, something I had not seen on them when I got them. I will be moving them into my hospital tank later for some hypo salinity. I wish I didi not need to do this, but better in my QT tank than my DT.

Be sure this is ich and not brooklynella (clownfish disease). There has been so much ich discussion that I think brooklynella and velvet are often missed. Brook is deadly and requires different treatment than ich; its also very common with clownfish. Thus, the name "clownfish disease". (DUH, said to myself)

yachtdr22 · 09/28/2014, 04:40 PM

My tank better be ich free... just completed 12 weeks of fallow and all swimmers have been through cupramine...

reeferstace · 09/29/2014, 09:32 AM

Uh, this thread is 3.5 years old.

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03/24/2011, 06:18 PM	#178
Sk8r RC Mod Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 34,628 Blog Entries: 55	Watch the water quality and keep nitrate as low as possible: with all those nems and corals, that will help a lot with nitrate. Particularly watch alkalinity, which can hurt skin resistence, ime, if too low. Looking beautiful. If you subscribe to Burgess' theory, if you don't add any more fish for a year, you'll see a decline in its infective ability. Greenbean says not proven, but it would be nice to see it proven at least in your tank. __________________ Sk8r Salinity 1.024-6; alkalinity 8.3-9.3 on KH scale; calcium 420; magnesium 1300, temp 78-80, nitrate .2. Ammonia 0. No filters: lps tank. Alk and cal won't rise if mg is low. Current Tank Info: 105g AquaVim wedge, yellow tang, sailfin blenny,royal gramma, ocellaris clown pair, yellow watchman, 100 microceriths, 25 tiny hermits, a 4" conch, 1" nassarius, recovering from 2 year hiatus with daily water change of 10%.

03/25/2011, 12:27 AM	#181
Sk8r RC Mod Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 34,628 Blog Entries: 55	THe theory runs---and this is not proven---even if you have had ich in the past, if it has gone away and has not been back for months, ---AND you quarantine any new arrivals---a year's lapse between fish means it is less and less likely your quarantined fish will catch it. The theory runs that the parasite loses vigor over time and isolation, with tank occupants getting more and more immune, over 11 months--and if you then qt your new arrivals, you are much, much safer. Burgess, the scientist who did the study, does not have universal acceptance, or anything like it---but---it's something to afford some hope for those who have huge tanks, minimal opportunity to qt the whole herd, and the chance to start anew with proper procedure. __________________ Sk8r Salinity 1.024-6; alkalinity 8.3-9.3 on KH scale; calcium 420; magnesium 1300, temp 78-80, nitrate .2. Ammonia 0. No filters: lps tank. Alk and cal won't rise if mg is low. Current Tank Info: 105g AquaVim wedge, yellow tang, sailfin blenny,royal gramma, ocellaris clown pair, yellow watchman, 100 microceriths, 25 tiny hermits, a 4" conch, 1" nassarius, recovering from 2 year hiatus with daily water change of 10%.

03/25/2011, 12:38 PM	#183
JTL Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Venice Island, FL Posts: 2,532	I am in the camp that does not believe all tanks have ich. If you do have it I believe it can be lurking and at some point reappear. I have quarantined my fish and never had a problem and from time to time they have been stressed. I also think the theory of the parasite losing the ability to reproduce after some period of time holds some merit. __________________ John 100 gallon DT and 50 gallon sump with refugium. Reefbreeders Photon V2+.

03/28/2011, 03:42 PM	#196
Lukel Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Pt. Colborne, ON, CANADA Posts: 209	I Had to vote yes, but i havn't seen a ich breakout in atleast 3 months, and i replaced my sand bed a month and a half ago..... __________________ 220 gal mixed reef , Apex, 8 Bulb Tek light, led supplement, With 135 gallon sump. SRO3000INT , KH Guardian, 4 X Vortech MP40w, MTC calcium reactor . Current Tank Info: 220 gal sps dominated

03/24/2011, 11:28 PM	#179
MAVX Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 266	I haven't had a fish with ick for over a year, does this mean they won't get it unless something else is introduced?

03/25/2011, 12:10 AM	#180
Gogandantess Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 296	RBU that's a nice lookin' female Scribbled. I once had one.

03/26/2011, 12:23 PM	#189
syrinx Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: champaign Posts: 3,160	you can see it on the fotos of the scribbled- at least it looks like it to me.

03/26/2011, 04:52 PM	#191
djze Moved On Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: newark Posts: 136	Well this morning when the lights came on.....The Achilles was covered more then every and the scribbled had it also. Must have had a huge outbreak. Time will tell if they can fight it off and pull thru. Not adding another fish for a long time. If they don't make it and all the fish start to die off I will pack it in.... the achilles is one of the toughest fish to keep i have had 4 in the past no matter what i did they would get ich the only success was with copper but in your case that's not an option the only thing i can recommend that has worked and is still working for me is heavy garlic on the food with selcon & vitamin c also plenty of water changes .also the problem with the achilles if he doesn't fight the ich off he will be miserable and therefore keep the other fish stressed & that will only keep the ich population up if you can remove just him i would good luck with your battle

03/27/2011, 10:15 PM	#193
badwolf Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Yorkshire United Kingdom Posts: 57	Could have done with a maybe as there really is no way of knowing unless there is a outbreak. However I do not believe all tanks have it any more than I believe all people have a cold virus. But it is possible it is there and the fish are fighting it off well enough we never see it.

03/28/2011, 03:36 PM	#195
syrinx Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: champaign Posts: 3,160	People do develop resistance to parasites though, I would think fish would as well.

04/04/2011, 05:47 PM	#197
jk1138 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: New Port Richey, FL Posts: 977	I bought some False Percs last week and have had them in my QT tank. I gave them a close look over tonight and they both have ich, something I had not seen on them when I got them. I will be moving them into my hospital tank later for some hypo salinity. I wish I didi not need to do this, but better in my QT tank than my DT. __________________ Bob "And God said, 'Let the water teem with living creatures'..." Genesis 1:20a Member: T.B.R.C. & Frag Chair (fragmaster)

09/28/2014, 04:40 PM	#199
yachtdr22 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: corpus christi, tx Posts: 488	My tank better be ich free... just completed 12 weeks of fallow and all swimmers have been through cupramine... __________________ 125 FOLR, 30 gal sump w/LR, SWC 16

09/29/2014, 09:32 AM	#200
reeferstace I'm a little people Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Over Yonder Posts: 1,392	Uh, this thread is 3.5 years old. __________________ Stacy

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