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Billybatz9 · 10/31/2014, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Fade2White12

Why kill them? You're fighting a losing battle anyway, so just let them be. For every one you see, there are dozens more in your tank. And even if you were to eliminate them all, more will hitchhike their way in eventually.

These worms are extremely beneficial to your tank, including the health of all the other livestock you would never consider "dispatching." Just leave them be.

What about the cyano?

GT350pwns · 10/31/2014, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Billybatz9

I flipped over the rock and saw a way bigger one. Freaked me out honestly. Lol
I am going to flush it if I can catch it. I heard they will eat snails.

You have the regular bristle worms confused with Oenone Fulgida worms.
The bristle worms are harmless eaters of detritus. Fulgida worms trap snails and other mollusks in a mucous-like "net" and eat away at them from there.

Billybatz9 · 10/31/2014, 09:25 AM

Just a little reason why I want to kill them...
They might be good for reef tanks, but I rather have my tank running, knowing none of these problems may occur.

Billybatz9 · 10/31/2014, 09:27 AM

The bristleworms and cyanobacteria is only on about 1/3 of my liverock. What is the best way to kill the bristleworms and cyanobacteria?

Vinegar, sun dry, bleaching, etc... I am all ears.

And I am fine with killing all of these rocks, as my other rocks have plenty of bacteria, coraline algae, and etc to bring these rocks back to life. I have not set my tank up yet and have no fish (just liverock in buckets), so I am open to suggestions.

Green Chromis · 10/31/2014, 10:07 AM

Hi Billy, I would pour a gallon of bleach in your tank, this should eliminate all your problems.

Bristle worms are beneficial to the marine reef system you are trying to start up. If you are serious about killing the worms and live rock why not setup a FOWLR tank, oh never mind you want to set up a tank with dead rock so you can kill all the beneficial worms and other life.

If I were you I would try a new hobby. With the answers this person is giving I think all of you helpful responders are being trolled, if not read what I stated above Billy.

Sk8r · 10/31/2014, 10:43 AM

YOur information is incorrect. Bristleworms can only eat slime from rotting stuff. They have no jaws, just a soda-straw of a mouth, and they're pretty well essential for a healthy tank.

Fade2White12 · 10/31/2014, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Billybatz9

What about the cyano?

Cyano is like a symptom, not a disease. You need to treat the cause of the cyano first, or otherwise, it will keep returning.

Cyano blooms are caused by nutrients - which could be due by many things: you aren't using ro/di water, overfeeding/stocking, phopshates from rock, etc.

Leave the worms and identify your nutrient issues. Badda bing badda boom.

Billybatz9 · 10/31/2014, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Green Chromis

Hi Billy, I would pour a gallon of bleach in your tank, this should eliminate all your problems.

Bristle worms are beneficial to the marine reef system you are trying to start up. If you are serious about killing the worms and live rock why not setup a FOWLR tank, oh never mind you want to set up a tank with dead rock so you can kill all the beneficial worms and other life.

If I were you I would try a new hobby. With the answers this person is giving I think all of you helpful responders are being trolled, if not read what I stated above Billy.

Hi Green Chromis, maybe you should stop

because all your information is incorrect. But don't worry, I expect these types of responses from individuals who have nothing better to do than to bash people who are just getting started in this hobby.

Now let me explain to you where you were wrong:

1. I don't know where you read that I had rocks in my tank? They are in buckets as I clearly explained multiple times.

2. No, I do not want to setup a tank with dead rock. I simply would like to just kill the cyanobacteria and bristleoworms which are on the 1/3 of liverock that I have which I got for FREE along with a purchase of a biocube stand. To me, cyanobacteria is my biggest problem, and I want it gone, along with the bristleworms. I am setting up a new tank and I want it to be clean with a CUC that won't hurt me or my new fish. Is that so bad to ask for? I didn't know reef tanks can't function without bristle worms. Please explain to me how they can't?

And even if I do want to setup a tank with about 1/3 of dead rock. Is this not normal? Oh yeah, it is. Most people use dry rock all the time to save money. So please explain how this is soooooo bad? And how I should leave this hobby?

3. I am not trolling all responders. I don't know where you got that from. I am simply a beginner trying to ask for help with something I want done. But clearly, it has to be one specific way right? God for bid someone wants to get rid of cyanobacteria and bristle worms from maybe 2 - 3 pieces of liverock.

This is my tank, my live rock, and my descision. So if you don't want to help me, you can go troll other people with stupid remarks that are not helpful.

And seriously, telling me to try a new hobby?? Give me a break...

Billybatz9 · 10/31/2014, 10:54 AM

And thank you for everyone who has told me to leave the worms and how to get rid of the cyano in a friendly way without telling me to leave the hobby. Much appreciated. And sorry for my outburst, it's just that some people make you not want to be on these forums anymore

Pomacanthus1 · 10/31/2014, 01:28 PM

Good to hear you held off doing anything drastic to the live rock. There is so much other beneficial and interesting, not to mention necessary (denitrifying bacteria) in there that are not worth killing just to get some bristle worms. If you're that concerned, natural control like a 6 Line Wrasse work very well to keep their size and numbers limited.

The only way they can be a problem is when they get very large or if you have one of the rarer predatory species.

Cyano and problem algae are common problems in new tanks. I battled cyano and diatoms for quite a while until buying a RO/DI filter solved the problem. If you're using tap water, chances are it comes with all sorts of undesirable levels of minerals and macronutrients like phosphorus that will fuel algae growth. In my case I think it was a high level of silicates fueling my diatoms and maybe the cyano. If you can eliminate the source of the nutrients fueling the problem algae growth and then maintain good water quality with a good skimmer and regular water changes, the problem should disappear in a month or so.

Green Chromis · 10/31/2014, 03:13 PM

Billy, Billy, Billy, ever hear of sarcasm? First of all the bristle worms will not harm your fish or you. The only way you might kill all of, them would be to bleach your rock or maybe a fresh water dip, a wrasse as mentioned above will also work. Don't be cheap on the live rock. buy the best you can find as it is one of the most essential materials you can add to the tank. Using dry or dead rock is not normal, it's a new thing in the aquarium trade. It's mainly due to the cost of good live rock.

Xavibear · 10/31/2014, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Billybatz9

Just a little reason why I want to kill them...
They might be good for reef tanks, but I rather have my tank running, knowing none of these problems may occur.

I see my ywg like this every so often. I think he likes them as a treat.

Betta132 · 11/01/2014, 02:10 AM

I used to have a YWG and he'd do that now and then. He'd end up spitting the worms out, but I think it was just because they balled up and were a bit too large. He never acted like they'd left spines in him or anything.

It is VERY hard to kill off all the bristleworms in a tank or in a batch of LR. If they bother you that much, a possum wrasse should keep the numbers low.
Also, tiger pistols shoot and attack them, IME.

Shawn O · 11/01/2014, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Betta132

Also, tiger pistols shoot and attack them.

That is very interesting. i did not know this. How far away can the shrimp be and still shoot them? Can they be at the other end of a 120 gallon and still get them?

murdock84 · 11/01/2014, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawn O

That is very interesting. i did not know this. How far away can the shrimp be and still shoot them? Can they be at the other end of a 120 gallon and still get them?

Betta132 · 11/01/2014, 02:30 PM

They aren't quite that good. Pistol shrimp use a large, modified claw to send out a vaguely bullet-shaped shockwave of sorts. It's effective up to maybe half an inch away. Won't kill things, but it scares them and stings pretty badly. Soft-bodied things like worms can be stunned, and the pistol then grabs them and drags them down into the tunnel to pull them apart.

Where'd you get that picture? It amuses me.

murdock84 · 11/01/2014, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Betta132

Where'd you get that picture? It amuses me.

I just searched pistol shrimp on bing I believe.

david.faik · 11/04/2014, 05:51 PM

Don't worry about the cyano bacteria on your rock. You can brush that off before adding to your new tank. Basically the conditions in your buckets are good for that to grow now (probably not great amounts of flow delivering oxygen everywhere plus some of the living stuff in the rocks dying - it'll grow back in the tank).

Don't freak about the bristle worms. They will in any case mostly hide under your rocks and just grab detritus (good). Boxer shrimp will also eat them, but really don't worry.

Do try to observe your live rock for aiptasia (glass tube anemones) and do kill those with Joe's juice should you see any. They can be a PIA for the beginner to get rid of later. Strongly recommend checking this rock for that.

Basically worry less about keeping things sterile and more about the conditions in your new tank, doing a good cycle, adding livestock very slowly and not over feeding.

You already started right by joining this forum. Enjoy the hobby!

10/31/2014, 10:07 AM	#30
Green Chromis Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: miami,florida Posts: 640	Hi Billy, I would pour a gallon of bleach in your tank, this should eliminate all your problems. Bristle worms are beneficial to the marine reef system you are trying to start up. If you are serious about killing the worms and live rock why not setup a FOWLR tank, oh never mind you want to set up a tank with dead rock so you can kill all the beneficial worms and other life. If I were you I would try a new hobby. With the answers this person is giving I think all of you helpful responders are being trolled, if not read what I stated above Billy. __________________ Natural Reefer Current Tank Info: 600 gallon Carribean Reef System, ETSS Protein Skimmer, 1.5HP Tradewinds Chiller, Reef Breeders Photon V2+ LED Lighting For The Refugium, Mitra LX7206 LED Lights For Display Tank

10/31/2014, 10:43 AM	#31
Sk8r RC Mod Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 34,628 Blog Entries: 55	YOur information is incorrect. Bristleworms can only eat slime from rotting stuff. They have no jaws, just a soda-straw of a mouth, and they're pretty well essential for a healthy tank. __________________ Sk8r Salinity 1.024-6; alkalinity 8.3-9.3 on KH scale; calcium 420; magnesium 1300, temp 78-80, nitrate .2. Ammonia 0. No filters: lps tank. Alk and cal won't rise if mg is low. Current Tank Info: 105g AquaVim wedge, yellow tang, sailfin blenny,royal gramma, ocellaris clown pair, yellow watchman, 100 microceriths, 25 tiny hermits, a 4" conch, 1" nassarius, recovering from 2 year hiatus with daily water change of 10%.

10/31/2014, 01:28 PM	#35
Pomacanthus1 Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,489	Good to hear you held off doing anything drastic to the live rock. There is so much other beneficial and interesting, not to mention necessary (denitrifying bacteria) in there that are not worth killing just to get some bristle worms. If you're that concerned, natural control like a 6 Line Wrasse work very well to keep their size and numbers limited. The only way they can be a problem is when they get very large or if you have one of the rarer predatory species. Cyano and problem algae are common problems in new tanks. I battled cyano and diatoms for quite a while until buying a RO/DI filter solved the problem. If you're using tap water, chances are it comes with all sorts of undesirable levels of minerals and macronutrients like phosphorus that will fuel algae growth. In my case I think it was a high level of silicates fueling my diatoms and maybe the cyano. If you can eliminate the source of the nutrients fueling the problem algae growth and then maintain good water quality with a good skimmer and regular water changes, the problem should disappear in a month or so. Last edited by Pomacanthus1; 10/31/2014 at 01:36 PM.

10/31/2014, 03:13 PM	#36
Green Chromis Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: miami,florida Posts: 640	Billy, Billy, Billy, ever hear of sarcasm? First of all the bristle worms will not harm your fish or you. The only way you might kill all of, them would be to bleach your rock or maybe a fresh water dip, a wrasse as mentioned above will also work. Don't be cheap on the live rock. buy the best you can find as it is one of the most essential materials you can add to the tank. Using dry or dead rock is not normal, it's a new thing in the aquarium trade. It's mainly due to the cost of good live rock. __________________ Natural Reefer Current Tank Info: 600 gallon Carribean Reef System, ETSS Protein Skimmer, 1.5HP Tradewinds Chiller, Reef Breeders Photon V2+ LED Lighting For The Refugium, Mitra LX7206 LED Lights For Display Tank

11/01/2014, 02:10 AM	#38
Betta132 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 2,239	I used to have a YWG and he'd do that now and then. He'd end up spitting the worms out, but I think it was just because they balled up and were a bit too large. He never acted like they'd left spines in him or anything. It is VERY hard to kill off all the bristleworms in a tank or in a batch of LR. If they bother you that much, a possum wrasse should keep the numbers low. Also, tiger pistols shoot and attack them, IME. __________________ When you put an animal of any kind in a situation where it can no longer fend for itself, such as an aquarium, it's your job to care for it to the best of your ability. It's that simple.

10/31/2014, 09:25 AM	#28
Billybatz9 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 557	Just a little reason why I want to kill them... They might be good for reef tanks, but I rather have my tank running, knowing none of these problems may occur.

10/31/2014, 09:27 AM	#29
Billybatz9 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 557	The bristleworms and cyanobacteria is only on about 1/3 of my liverock. What is the best way to kill the bristleworms and cyanobacteria? Vinegar, sun dry, bleaching, etc... I am all ears. And I am fine with killing all of these rocks, as my other rocks have plenty of bacteria, coraline algae, and etc to bring these rocks back to life. I have not set my tank up yet and have no fish (just liverock in buckets), so I am open to suggestions.

10/31/2014, 10:54 AM	#34
Billybatz9 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 557	And thank you for everyone who has told me to leave the worms and how to get rid of the cyano in a friendly way without telling me to leave the hobby. Much appreciated. And sorry for my outburst, it's just that some people make you not want to be on these forums anymore

11/01/2014, 02:30 PM	#41
Betta132 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 2,239	They aren't quite that good. Pistol shrimp use a large, modified claw to send out a vaguely bullet-shaped shockwave of sorts. It's effective up to maybe half an inch away. Won't kill things, but it scares them and stings pretty badly. Soft-bodied things like worms can be stunned, and the pistol then grabs them and drags them down into the tunnel to pull them apart. Where'd you get that picture? It amuses me. __________________ When you put an animal of any kind in a situation where it can no longer fend for itself, such as an aquarium, it's your job to care for it to the best of your ability. It's that simple.

11/04/2014, 05:51 PM	#43
david.faik Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 83	Don't worry about the cyano bacteria on your rock. You can brush that off before adding to your new tank. Basically the conditions in your buckets are good for that to grow now (probably not great amounts of flow delivering oxygen everywhere plus some of the living stuff in the rocks dying - it'll grow back in the tank). Don't freak about the bristle worms. They will in any case mostly hide under your rocks and just grab detritus (good). Boxer shrimp will also eat them, but really don't worry. Do try to observe your live rock for aiptasia (glass tube anemones) and do kill those with Joe's juice should you see any. They can be a PIA for the beginner to get rid of later. Strongly recommend checking this rock for that. Basically worry less about keeping things sterile and more about the conditions in your new tank, doing a good cycle, adding livestock very slowly and not over feeding. You already started right by joining this forum. Enjoy the hobby! __________________ Using Tapatalk Current Tank Info: Mostly tangs, soft & hard corals