Mixing large Angels? - Page 2

johnhenry1 · 12/24/2014, 07:35 PM

I have a 40 gallon breeder quarantine, it's 18 inches wide so I think he would be ok in there for a few weeks. My Lfs has a 9 inch blueface angel in. Do you think it would be better to get this blue face or try to get one smaller than the emperor. I would quarantine the big blue face in another 40 gallon.

sc50964 · 12/24/2014, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by johnhenry1

I have a 40 gallon breeder quarantine, it's 18 inches wide so I think he would be ok in there for a few weeks. My Lfs has a 9 inch blueface angel in. Do you think it would be better to get this blue face or try to get one smaller than the emperor. I would quarantine the big blue face in another 40 gallon.

It's hard to say. Does that 9" blue face eat aggressively? It may be wise to get a screen divider just in case if the personalities don't match.

johnhenry1 · 12/24/2014, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sc50964

It's hard to say. Does that 9" blue face eat aggressively? It may be wise to get a screen divider just in case if the personalities don't match.

I am not sure, the owner said it had been at the wholesalers for 3 weeks and his eating, but I will be sure to see it eat in person of course. I don't have a divider but I could probably make one.

kirkaz · 12/25/2014, 01:45 PM

My personal experience with Halocanthus and Pomacanthus Angels is 3 is better than 2. Anytime I've had 2, one has been a bully to the other, certainly not to the point of death, but noticeably aggressive. When I've had 3 or more, issues have have been minimal to nonexistent. Currently I have (sizes estimated, but close) 8 inch French and Maculosus, 6 inch Koran, 5 inch Emperor (nearly adult coloration) and 4 inch Queen. The order of dominance is obvious, but aggression is very minimal. I will add this is too much for a 240, but I will have all these in a 465 gallon by late March.

Mightyfish · 12/25/2014, 02:48 PM

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Including the Emperor, in my 250DD I have:
Majestic Angel
Bluering Angel
Passer Angel
Eibli Angel
Coral Beauty Angel

and some other fish

Your fish are stunning especially the angels. Are your angels ok with your corals? Do you have any soft corals or LPS type? I am too scared to add angels in my reef tank. I did a rookie mistake and bought an Asfur angel but since i heard that they will take fancy eating/nipping LPS so my Asfur angel is still in my QT for 4 months now and i dont know what to do with it.

sc50964 · 12/25/2014, 03:04 PM

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Your fish are stunning especially the angels. Are your angels ok with your corals? Do you have any soft corals or LPS type? I am too scared to add angels in my reef tank. I did a rookie mistake and bought an Asfur angel but since i heard that they will take fancy eating/nipping LPS so my Asfur angel is still in my QT for 4 months now and i dont know what to do with it.

They only prefer a certain type of LPS. Things like acan, plate, scoly are easy targets for them. More aggressive ones with stinging tentacles such as bubbles, hammers, and frogspawn are ones they avoid IME. They don't have interests in softies.

davidfrances · 12/25/2014, 03:27 PM

In my tank, I cultivate softies, and the angels leave them alone. Again, I am keeping what most people call "noxious" or pest corals, and even if the angels did bother them I wouldn't worry. The softies serve a dual purpose - visually appealing and help with nitrate and phosphate reduction.

SDguy · 12/25/2014, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by davidfrances

In my tank, I cultivate softies, and the angels leave them alone. Again, I am keeping what most people call "noxious" or pest corals, and even if the angels did bother them I wouldn't worry. The softies serve a dual purpose - visually appealing and help with nitrate and phosphate reduction.

That's really nice! I wish I could do that, but the darn butterflies eat everything, no matter how noxious

Scubaken · 12/28/2014, 09:56 AM

I have a 350 DT with a coral beauty and a large adult Emporor angel I would love to pop a regal angel in there or a queen angel.
What would be the best options for introducing another adult angel ? The Emporor has been in there a couple of years and really is the king.

He is quite aggressive and barks/grunts a great deal of the time, would it be enough to move the entire aqua scape around and then introduce the new angel or will they never get along ? I don't want to cause a fish any harm or distress, that's not why I keep these beautiful creatures, I am also very interested in the whole coral options with Angels, so again any tips would be really well received.

sc50964 · 12/28/2014, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Scubaken

I have a 350 DT with a coral beauty and a large adult Emporor angel I would love to pop a regal angel in there or a queen angel.

What would be the best options for introducing another adult angel ? The Emporor has been in there a couple of years and really is the king.

He is quite aggressive and barks/grunts a great deal of the time, would it be enough to move the entire aqua scape around and then introduce the new angel or will they never get along ? I don't want to cause a fish any harm or distress, that's not why I keep these beautiful creatures, I am also very interested in the whole coral options with Angels, so again any tips would be really well received.

How is he to the coral beauty? IMO, as long as you get the queen or regal in medium or small size, the emp will treat them the same as how he has treated the CB. You will need to QT the new angel first then introduce it to the DT at night. There will be some aggression from the emp at first. Rearranging the rocks will help. If you get the new angel as small juvenile, you can put it in an acclimation box during the first week of introduction to the DT and watch how the emp responds. In fact, you should be able to get both queen and regal into your DT, but need to get the regal established first before the queen. As far as coral option goes, I posted my take on LPS and softies just a few postings above. You might want to check it out. It will probably chew on SPS as well, so there aren't that many options with these coral eating creatures IMO.

davidfrances · 12/28/2014, 11:03 AM

+1 on what the previous poster wrote about quarantine and introduction protocol for a new addition. In fact, aggression may be reduced further by introducing two types of angels simultaneously.

clekchau · 12/28/2014, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by sc50964

They only prefer a certain type of LPS. Things like acan, plate, scoly are easy targets for them. More aggressive ones with stinging tentacles such as bubbles, hammers, and frogspawn are ones they avoid IME. They don't have interests in softies.

Love your tank, I also plan on setting up a large angel dominated tank with a few softies in the near future.

sc50964 · 12/28/2014, 03:57 PM

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Love your tank, I also plan on setting up a large angel dominated tank with a few softies in the near future.

Thanks. Large Angels are great to have. Too bad not many of them would co-exist with corals kept in the home aquariums.

Scubaken · 12/28/2014, 08:42 PM

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How is he to the coral beauty? IMO, as long as you get the queen or regal in medium or small size, the emp will treat them the same as how he has treated the CB. You will need to QT the new angel first then introduce it to the DT at night. There will be some aggression from the emp at first. Rearranging the rocks will help. If you get the new angel as small juvenile, you can put it in an acclimation box during the first week of introduction to the DT and watch how the emp responds. In fact, you should be able to get both queen and regal into your DT, but need to get the regal established first before the queen. As far as coral option goes, I posted my take on LPS and softies just a few postings above. You might want to check it out. It will probably chew on SPS as well, so there aren't that many options with these coral eating creatures IMO.

Thank you for your words of wisdom, I am following to the letter, just need to find a couple of fish that meet the requirements now, thank you once again for your help and advice.

sc50964 · 12/28/2014, 08:46 PM

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Thank you for your words of wisdom, I am following to the letter, just need to find a couple of fish that meet the requirements now, thank you once again for your help and advice.

No problem Ken. Good luck with your angel tank and let me know if there are more questions or ideas.

ovakil · 01/10/2015, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by sc50964

IME, that should work for a while. What's your tank size?

8 X 3 x 3,
Sorry for late reply,been on holidays.

sc50964 · 01/10/2015, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ovakil

8 X 3 x 3,

Sorry for late reply,been on holidays.

500+ gallons..., you don't need to worry..., feel free to add Angels. Add the small and more sensitive ones first, that's the general rule. You might want to follow that but it really doesn't matter with your tank size. Make sure to QT your incoming fish tho.

marriott · 01/10/2015, 10:17 PM

Hello I'm new in the biz and just set up my 3rd tank. I have a 90 gallon predator tank with a fumanchu lion fish and looking for a fish called the Orange banded stingfish does any one know where I can buy one. It's number 2 on my list Of awesome fish. It's hard for me to locate fish of this caliber living in the mid west. Any and all help would be great. Thanks

12/25/2014, 01:45 PM	#29
kirkaz Jade Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Peoria, AZ Posts: 1,760	My personal experience with Halocanthus and Pomacanthus Angels is 3 is better than 2. Anytime I've had 2, one has been a bully to the other, certainly not to the point of death, but noticeably aggressive. When I've had 3 or more, issues have have been minimal to nonexistent. Currently I have (sizes estimated, but close) 8 inch French and Maculosus, 6 inch Koran, 5 inch Emperor (nearly adult coloration) and 4 inch Queen. The order of dominance is obvious, but aggression is very minimal. I will add this is too much for a 240, but I will have all these in a 465 gallon by late March. __________________ Current Tanks- 465 Gallon in wall FOWLR 450 Gallon in wall Mixed Reef Hobby experience-since 2001

12/24/2014, 07:35 PM	#26
johnhenry1 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 58	I have a 40 gallon breeder quarantine, it's 18 inches wide so I think he would be ok in there for a few weeks. My Lfs has a 9 inch blueface angel in. Do you think it would be better to get this blue face or try to get one smaller than the emperor. I would quarantine the big blue face in another 40 gallon.

12/25/2014, 03:27 PM	#32
davidfrances Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Parkville, MO Posts: 666	In my tank, I cultivate softies, and the angels leave them alone. Again, I am keeping what most people call "noxious" or pest corals, and even if the angels did bother them I wouldn't worry. The softies serve a dual purpose - visually appealing and help with nitrate and phosphate reduction.

12/28/2014, 09:56 AM	#34
Scubaken Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 261	I have a 350 DT with a coral beauty and a large adult Emporor angel I would love to pop a regal angel in there or a queen angel. What would be the best options for introducing another adult angel ? The Emporor has been in there a couple of years and really is the king. He is quite aggressive and barks/grunts a great deal of the time, would it be enough to move the entire aqua scape around and then introduce the new angel or will they never get along ? I don't want to cause a fish any harm or distress, that's not why I keep these beautiful creatures, I am also very interested in the whole coral options with Angels, so again any tips would be really well received.

12/28/2014, 11:03 AM	#36
davidfrances Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Parkville, MO Posts: 666	+1 on what the previous poster wrote about quarantine and introduction protocol for a new addition. In fact, aggression may be reduced further by introducing two types of angels simultaneously.

01/10/2015, 10:17 PM	#43
marriott Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 1	Hello I'm new in the biz and just set up my 3rd tank. I have a 90 gallon predator tank with a fumanchu lion fish and looking for a fish called the Orange banded stingfish does any one know where I can buy one. It's number 2 on my list Of awesome fish. It's hard for me to locate fish of this caliber living in the mid west. Any and all help would be great. Thanks