LFS Confusing ME! need dvise!!!

[FraggledRock]

Originally Posted by tmz

I think the snarky ad hominem comments are not helpful and uneccesary.
No need to insult people with honest disagreement or an alternative perspective. It's a fine thing to challenge the infromation without making it personal.
For the OP, if your tank has zero ammonia for a week or more it's cycled . The ammonia oxidizing bacterria are using up the ammonia in the tank generated by the decay of organic matter including die off .
The amount of bacterial activity depends on the amount of nutreint they have available. So, it's not a bad idea to add food or even ammonia after the cyulce is complete to increase the processing limit of the bacteria.
There is a differnece between food and ammonia. Food adds nitrogen, phoshate ,iron. potassium etc , nutrients bacteria need. With ammonia you just get the nitrogen and rely on the amounts of other nutrients in the tank. I prefer ghost feeding to ammonia for that reason.

i was trying to break the tension with a bit of humor, i realized after it was taken offensively.

That is what I was saying since page 1...

irony...

[jminick2]

Originally Posted by tmz

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There is a differnece between food and ammonia. Food adds nitrogen, phoshate ,iron. potassium etc , nutrients bacteria need. With ammonia you just get the nitrogen and rely on the amounts of other nutrients in the tank. I prefer ghost feeding to ammonia for that reason.

Nitrifying bacteria need phosphate? If this were so wouldnt the amount of phosphates be a determining factor in our bacteria population. Not disagreeing with you, just have never heard this. If they feed on phosphate then why would we ever need to run GFO or have any algae?

[jminick2]

@TMZ you are absolutely right, that is interesting you learn something new everyday in this hobby.

The conversion of ATP provides energy for cellular functions. Phosphorus is normally available to cells in the form of phosphates (PO4). Nitrobacter, especially, is unable to oxidize nitrite to nitrate in the absence of phosphates.
It even goes as far as saying RODI is bad in this sense because it stripped of all its phosphates.

I would have to admit based on this adding food might not be a bad idea. For the phosphates, NOT for an ammonia source. I would assume if you have any sort of live rock in there that sufficient phosphates would be available with out adding food?

[FraggledRock]

Originally Posted by jminick2

@TMZ you are absolutely right, that is interesting you learn something new everyday in this hobby.

The conversion of ATP provides energy for cellular functions. Phosphorus is normally available to cells in the form of phosphates (PO4). Nitrobacter, especially, is unable to oxidize nitrite to nitrate in the absence of phosphates.
It even goes as far as saying RODI is bad in this sense because it stripped of all its phosphates.

I would have to admit based on this adding food might not be a bad idea. For the phosphates, NOT for an ammonia source. I would assume if you have any sort of live rock in there that sufficient phosphates would be available with out adding food?

The trick is to find the balance of every ion which keeps growth of wanted organisms stable, and not be overloaded to aid in growth of unwanted organisms.

Phosphates in live rock is variable, in the event that if one KNEW the rocks were leaching, then that would need to be remedied.

ultimately the control of each ion is defendant on the reefer, and the more guesswork is added, the more likely things spiral out of control.

however yes the rocks could leach more than enough phosphates that media would need to be added to remedy to excess...

[jminick2]

Another interesting fact related to this topic that I did not know.

Nitrifying bacteria are photosensitive, especially to blue and ultraviolet light. After they have colonized a surface this light poses no problem. During the first 3 or 4 days many of the cells may be suspended in the water column. Specialized bulbs in reef aquaria that emit UV or near UV light should remain off during this time. Regular aquarium lighting has no appreciable negative effect.

[FraggledRock]

Originally Posted by jminick2

Another interesting fact related to this topic that I did not know.

Nitrifying bacteria are photosensitive, especially to blue and ultraviolet light. After they have colonized a surface this light poses no problem. During the first 3 or 4 days many of the cells may be suspended in the water column. Specialized bulbs in reef aquaria that emit UV or near UV light should remain off during this time. Regular aquarium lighting has no appreciable negative effect.

I didn't know that either thanks for sharing.

can you link the source? seems you found a wealth of knowledge =)

[jminick2]

@fraggledrock u seem like a smart guy, sorry bout all that. U weren't wrong in your posts. Many ways to skin a cat in this hobby.

[jminick2]

Originally Posted by FraggledRock

I didn't know that either thanks for sharing.

can you link the source? seems you found a wealth of knowledge =)

http://www.bioconlabs.com/nitribactfacts.html

[FraggledRock]

Originally Posted by jminick2

@fraggledrock u seem like a smart guy, sorry bout all that. U weren't wrong in your posts. Many ways to skin a cat in this hobby.

Thanks, I wasn't trying to "win".

I was just trying to pick your brain for what you were saying and I started getting all confused in following the logic...

I apologize if you were offended, my humor is tough on some people. I forget we aren't all roughed up sicilian brooklyn boys and girls LOL

[FraggledRock]

Originally Posted by jminick2

http://www.bioconlabs.com/nitribactfacts.html

thanks! time to read!

[jminick2]

Haha My great grandparents are actually from Italy not sicily though.

[FraggledRock]

Originally Posted by jminick2

Haha My great grandparents are actually from Italy not sicily though.

SO WE'RE GUMBAS!!!

Boppitty Boopee!

[tmz]

Originally Posted by jminick2

Nitrifying bacteria need phosphate? If this were so wouldnt the amount of phosphates be a determining factor in our bacteria population. Not disagreeing with you, just have never heard this. If they feed on phosphate then why would we ever need to run GFO or have any algae?

I see you found the information I was summarizing. Not only ATP but dna and ,phospholipids too, btw.
Live rock substrate ,microfuana and other decay may contribute enough but may not. Not every tank needs GFO to keep phosphates undetectable. Some do experience phosphate deficiencies.

[tmz]

Well, I'm a Brooklyn/Queens boy started in Greenpoint and my grandson is half Sicillian. My best man was fellow named Sedita .Does that qualify?

[FraggledRock]

Originally Posted by tmz

Well, I'm a Brooklyn/Queens boy started in Greenpoint and my grandson is half Sicillian. My best man was fellow named Sedita .Does that qualify?

well hello neighbor!

I grew up on bleeker street and then on harman street.

sure does =P

[Bearkat1234]

wow that was a lot ! haha.

maybe I should just wait and let nitrite go to 0 and call it a cycle after a water change when it is time.

[Bearkat1234]

but, can anyone tell me why I have not seen an algae bloom starting my 4th week of the cycle today?

[gone fishin]

I would be inclined to think you have not seen any algae due to not running your lights. Once you turn them on I am sure you will get the algae. just my 2 cents.

[Savant]

Originally Posted by jminick2

Many ways to skin a cat in this hobby.

did you throw the skinned cat into the tank in the morning or in the evening because its important....?

[Bearkat1234]

ok thanks fella's!

[FortuneFavours]

Originally Posted by Bearkat1234

but, can anyone tell me why I have not seen an algae bloom starting my 4th week of the cycle today?

I never witnessed an algae bloom when my tank was cycling...

[Bearkat1234]

ok great! good to know!