I need help... everything's going wrong.

hurley009 · 05/20/2015, 01:08 PM

So I posted couple days ago about my tang having either black ich or HLLE.. was pretty confident it was HLLE... well.. it's not. It's definitely damn black ich.
Ugh, I just can't win! Now, if I have to QT my fish.. do I have to QT my tang, my clown and sand sifter???!!
What do I feed the sand sifter if I do this?!

Ugh that's just one problem.
Found a nudibranch.. and now gotta get rid of that... and my trumpets are not doing well and I've done everything to make it better.

Just please. Advice.

Martini5788 · 05/20/2015, 01:15 PM

Yes to qt. do some research specifically on black ich, as I am not familiar with the recommended treatments. Post your water parameters and all info about the tank including time it has been setup, all recent additions.

hurley009 · 05/20/2015, 01:28 PM

45 gallon
Ph 8.1
Nitrate 0
Nitrite 0
Alk 12
Cal 440
Phos 0
Canister filtration
2 circulation pumps 80gph?
Octareef skimmer
Been almost over a year and a half. Only recent addition is the tang and clown.

The clown show no signs of anything. The tang came from a store that I was told runs copper and all that jazz... sigh.

Martini5788 · 05/20/2015, 01:32 PM

I had a tiny blue tang in my 69 for a month and a half. And it was easily the dumbest thing I have done to date in this hobby. Take the tang back. 45 is not sufficient for any tang, sorry. I would qt and treat the other fish though. As well as have a specific qt protocol for all new introductions.

gone fishin · 05/20/2015, 01:33 PM

Knock on wood I have not had to deal with black ich. I would post this in the fish disease forum. There are some very good disease experts over there. I believe the treatment involves formalin dips.

Reefstarter2 · 05/20/2015, 01:35 PM

give polyp Lab's Medic a try . I used it and things have been great since , welcome to reefing no problems ? wait a minute one will show up lol

hotelbravo · 05/20/2015, 02:05 PM

yea the 45 gallon will never let the tang be happy no matter what treatment you give it. it will be stressed out and proned to illness. take it back to the store

are you sure you need to get rid of the nudibranch? have you identified it as a pest nudi? or are you just jumping the gun and assuming its bad???

hurley009 · 05/20/2015, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by hotelbravo

yea the 45 gallon will never let the tang be happy no matter what treatment you give it. it will be stressed out and proned to illness. take it back to the store

are you sure you need to get rid of the nudibranch? have you identified it as a pest nudi? or are you just jumping the gun and assuming its bad???

The tang is still kinda little. Not that nig. There is tons of space for it. Hasn't been showing any stress signs.

Martini5788 · 05/20/2015, 02:33 PM

What kind of tang is it. And bravo is right, the stress from the small tank will cause all kinds of issues. Also stress signs= coming down with a disease

Sk8r · 05/20/2015, 03:14 PM

Protocols for black ich are much the same as actual ich. Black ich is actually a flatworm, and I believe a dip as well as isolation is indicated. You need to do some googling and reading. The thing has a sandbed phase like ich and treatment in a bare tank and isolation would be indicated. Prazipro may help the tank in general. A general treatment like Flatworm Exit would take out much of your worm/tubeworm, bristleworm population and you would need to replace those. I've never personally had these problems, but you have choices to make and I would advise some lookup and reading before making those choices.

hurley009 · 05/20/2015, 05:26 PM

Thanks for the advice everyone

hotelbravo · 05/20/2015, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hurley009

The tang is still kinda little. Not that nig. There is tons of space for it. Hasn't been showing any stress signs.

im not trying to get on to you or anything all im trying to do is help you when I say to take the tang back. your tank is really small for any tang. and as martini stated. "stress signs=coming down with a desease" your seeing a sign right now. a healthy fish can fight off more than you'd believe.

hurley009 · 05/20/2015, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hotelbravo

im not trying to get on to you or anything all im trying to do is help you when I say to take the tang back. your tank is really small for any tang. and as martini stated. "stress signs=coming down with a desease" your seeing a sign right now. a healthy fish can fight off more than you'd believe.

I plan to just take it back and wait till I get my 100 gallon. I definitely don't wanna go through this again. I loved my tang too

And I know you didn't mean it as a getting on to me type reply. No worries

CStrickland · 05/20/2015, 10:08 PM

I think you might want to call ahead to the lfs, so they have a heads up to treat it. It would be a shame if they passed the sick fish off to the next chump that walked through the door after you left and someone else's tank got blasted. Though I guess this is kind of a reminder to quarantine too, you never know if the fish you just bought came from this type of situation.

I'm proud of you for returning it, a lot of people are too stubborn to do right by their pets

Martini5788 · 05/21/2015, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cstrickland

i think you might want to call ahead to the lfs, so they have a heads up to treat it. It would be a shame if they passed the sick fish off to the next chump that walked through the door after you left and someone else's tank got blasted. Though i guess this is kind of a reminder to quarantine too, you never know if the fish you just bought came from this type of situation.

I'm proud of you for returning it, a lot of people are too stubborn to do right by their pets

+1

05/20/2015, 01:08 PM	#1
hurley009 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 53	I need help... everything's going wrong. So I posted couple days ago about my tang having either black ich or HLLE.. was pretty confident it was HLLE... well.. it's not. It's definitely damn black ich. Ugh, I just can't win! Now, if I have to QT my fish.. do I have to QT my tang, my clown and sand sifter???!! What do I feed the sand sifter if I do this?! Ugh that's just one problem. Found a nudibranch.. and now gotta get rid of that... and my trumpets are not doing well and I've done everything to make it better. Just please. Advice.

05/20/2015, 01:32 PM	#4
Martini5788 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Beaufort, SC Posts: 2,303	I need help... everything's going wrong. I had a tiny blue tang in my 69 for a month and a half. And it was easily the dumbest thing I have done to date in this hobby. Take the tang back. 45 is not sufficient for any tang, sorry. I would qt and treat the other fish though. As well as have a specific qt protocol for all new introductions.

05/20/2015, 01:33 PM	#5
gone fishin Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Wyocena Wi Posts: 6,936	Knock on wood I have not had to deal with black ich. I would post this in the fish disease forum. There are some very good disease experts over there. I believe the treatment involves formalin dips. __________________ Tony Current Tank Info: 180gal DT, BM NAC77 skimmer,3 Maxspect razors, Maxspect Gyre 150, 30g QT

05/20/2015, 02:05 PM	#7
hotelbravo Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 2,175	yea the 45 gallon will never let the tang be happy no matter what treatment you give it. it will be stressed out and proned to illness. take it back to the store are you sure you need to get rid of the nudibranch? have you identified it as a pest nudi? or are you just jumping the gun and assuming its bad??? __________________ -Hodge Current Tank Info: 180 gallon, 40b sump. 3x OR T247 lighting, Reef Octopus protein skimmer, phosban 550 reactor, tunze ato, gyre xf 150, 2x mag 9.5 returns.

05/20/2015, 02:33 PM	#9
Martini5788 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Beaufort, SC Posts: 2,303	I need help... everything's going wrong. What kind of tang is it. And bravo is right, the stress from the small tank will cause all kinds of issues. Also stress signs= coming down with a disease

05/20/2015, 01:15 PM	#2
Martini5788 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Beaufort, SC Posts: 2,303	Yes to qt. do some research specifically on black ich, as I am not familiar with the recommended treatments. Post your water parameters and all info about the tank including time it has been setup, all recent additions.

05/20/2015, 01:28 PM	#3
hurley009 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 53	45 gallon Ph 8.1 Nitrate 0 Nitrite 0 Alk 12 Cal 440 Phos 0 Canister filtration 2 circulation pumps 80gph? Octareef skimmer Been almost over a year and a half. Only recent addition is the tang and clown. The clown show no signs of anything. The tang came from a store that I was told runs copper and all that jazz... sigh.

05/20/2015, 01:35 PM	#6
Reefstarter2 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 295	give polyp Lab's Medic a try . I used it and things have been great since , welcome to reefing no problems ? wait a minute one will show up lol

05/20/2015, 03:14 PM	#10
Sk8r RC Mod Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 34,628 Blog Entries: 55	Protocols for black ich are much the same as actual ich. Black ich is actually a flatworm, and I believe a dip as well as isolation is indicated. You need to do some googling and reading. The thing has a sandbed phase like ich and treatment in a bare tank and isolation would be indicated. Prazipro may help the tank in general. A general treatment like Flatworm Exit would take out much of your worm/tubeworm, bristleworm population and you would need to replace those. I've never personally had these problems, but you have choices to make and I would advise some lookup and reading before making those choices. __________________ Sk8r Salinity 1.024-6; alkalinity 8.3-9.3 on KH scale; calcium 420; magnesium 1300, temp 78-80, nitrate .2. Ammonia 0. No filters: lps tank. Alk and cal won't rise if mg is low. Current Tank Info: 105g AquaVim wedge, yellow tang, sailfin blenny,royal gramma, ocellaris clown pair, yellow watchman, 100 microceriths, 25 tiny hermits, a 4" conch, 1" nassarius, recovering from 2 year hiatus with daily water change of 10%. Last edited by Sk8r; 05/20/2015 at 03:19 PM.

05/20/2015, 05:26 PM	#11
hurley009 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 53	Thanks for the advice everyone

05/20/2015, 10:08 PM	#14
CStrickland Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: New England, U.S. Posts: 4,595	I think you might want to call ahead to the lfs, so they have a heads up to treat it. It would be a shame if they passed the sick fish off to the next chump that walked through the door after you left and someone else's tank got blasted. Though I guess this is kind of a reminder to quarantine too, you never know if the fish you just bought came from this type of situation. I'm proud of you for returning it, a lot of people are too stubborn to do right by their pets __________________ If you're havin tank problems I feel bad for you, son. I got 99 problems but a fish ain't one Current Tank Info: 3/2016 upgrade to 120g. Chalk bass, melanurus, firefish, starry blenny, canary blenny, lyretail anthias, engineer gobys, kole tang. Softies / LPS / NPS. <3 noob4life <3