40g breeder need info

joejenn06 · 08/23/2015, 09:06 AM

Im new to saltwater and I got a 40g breeder. Can anyone with one give me a list of all you have for it? Im going to have a sump too but as of now have a 10g but thinking about just buying a 20g? Any help would be great.

Dkuhlmann · 08/23/2015, 10:57 AM

You should go with a 20g tall for your sump. Wait until Petco has their $ gal sale again and you get it for $20

Quality heater, 65gal or more skimmer, 750gal return pump can go higher but this works well. Quality lighting if you are going to do a reef, 36" HO T5 4 bulb would work fine or you can go with LED's. The cheap Chinese imports on Ebay for $83 shipped work well

Digital thermometer, and at least one better with two power heads.

I'd do at least 50lbs of sand and 45-60 lbs of live rock for the main tank and another 15 or so in the sump. This increases your bio load

I'm sure I'm leaving out a few things necessary because I'm doing this and cooking lunch

I have this same setup.

Marchillo · 08/23/2015, 11:11 AM

I don't have a sump but good that you are getting it.

I had 40 #s of sand and rock but added20 #s of sand. I would do 60 #s sand 40-50 #s rock.

I have 3 phs on it. Two koralias at 425 and 1 at 240. They are fine and cheap. Depends on what you plan on keeping. If I did it over I may have done one 850 and one 425.

I don't love the light I have it's an orbit marine led 1st generation light. It's whatever.

I have an EShopps hob skimmer rated for 75g. They have an in sump version. I am pleased with it. You can find used skimmers on here and save some money.

Dkuhlmann · 08/23/2015, 12:54 PM

OH I almost forgot, my skimmer is a HOB which gives me more room in the sump, something to think about. It works great.

joejenn06 · 08/23/2015, 01:46 PM

Awesome thanks gives me so many things to think about. Did you all cut holes in the back of the tank or did you just do the hang off the back overflow? If you cut what size did you use and what kind of overflow?

Dkuhlmann · 08/23/2015, 03:13 PM

No, get an overflow box and cut for 1" pvc I forget the size it's like 1.033" but they make a special drill hole saw for drilling for 1" pvc

Marchillo · 08/23/2015, 03:31 PM

I don't have a sump so I actually just bought a hob refugium but I wish I had a sump.

joejenn06 · 08/23/2015, 03:50 PM

How big of a box? Is 1200 GPH good?6"W x 3 1/2"D x 5"T

Dkuhlmann · 08/23/2015, 04:07 PM

box is close I found it easier to put the bulkheads in with W 8" x H 5" x D 5" just easier to get hands in. I don't silicone my bulkheads just let the rubber gasket seal it. I also only make them hand tight, never had a leak. My old box was 7x4x4 just too tight.

joejenn06 · 08/23/2015, 04:23 PM

I found this.....
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1200-GPH-AQU...item3aab9a3e79

Dkuhlmann · 08/23/2015, 04:43 PM

Joe/Jenn that works!

Isaacs55 · 08/23/2015, 05:29 PM

Any size box works just make sure to get the right bulkheads. Are you doing BeAnAnimals overflow or herbie overflow?

joejenn06 · 08/23/2015, 05:40 PM

Sorry new to all this whats the difference?

mushumatt · 08/23/2015, 08:27 PM

Research research research before you buy or do anything. I would recommend a 20 long sump instead of a 20tall you will have more area for equipment then a 20tall. Check out glass-holes.com for your overflow and return.

Lights: 2x Aquaillumination hydra 26 led
Return: quiet one 3000
Flow: vortech mp10, jebao rw8 two tunze nano streams
Rock: ~50 pounds
Substrate: 40 pounds
Skimmer: eshopps psk100 about to upgrade to a aquamaxx
Dual carbon and gfo reactor
Custom dual 1" overflow
Hydor ATo with kalkwasser dripper

mushumatt · 08/23/2015, 08:49 PM

Read all of the stickies on top of this sub forum it will answer almost all of the questions you have.

Dkuhlmann · 08/24/2015, 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mushumatt

Research research research before you buy or do anything. I would recommend a 20 long sump instead of a 20tall you will have more area for equipment then a 20tall. Check out glass-holes.com for your overflow and return.

Lights: 2x Aquaillumination hydra 26 led
Return: quiet one 3000
Flow: vortech mp10, jebao rw8 two tunze nano streams
Rock: ~50 pounds
Substrate: 40 pounds
Skimmer: eshopps psk100 about to upgrade to a aquamaxx
Dual carbon and gfo reactor
Custom dual 1" overflow
Hydor ATo with kalkwasser dripper

My 20 tall has plenty of room and works just fine. I didn't recommend anything that I either have used or would use myself. I stated my current setup. Sure the 20 l would give a bit more footprint but the tall works just fine and there's plenty of room for everything.

mushumatt · 08/24/2015, 06:37 PM

I wasn't trying to say you wouldn't have room, I was just trying to convey that a 20 long would have a little more room for equipment then a 20 tall.

Isaacs55 · 08/24/2015, 06:50 PM

Yea I love my 20 long sump. I couldn't do my current setup if i baught a 20 high. 20 high would be good for like no external ATO container, or more space for like dry equipment like external pump or storing additives and what not.

joejenn06 · 08/25/2015, 11:42 AM

well im going to wait until petco has its $1 gallon sale again and that might take a while because we just have one few weeks ago :/

habutti · 08/25/2015, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joejenn06

well im going to wait until petco has its $1 gallon sale again and that might take a while because we just have one few weeks ago :/

That could be a long wait, even as long as a year.

joejenn06 · 08/25/2015, 12:04 PM

I talked to the guy that works with the saltwater fish and he said they have them about 6 times a year. So Ill be keeping my eyes out for the sale and hope someone might have one for sell.

08/23/2015, 09:06 AM	#1
joejenn06 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 37	40g breeder need info Im new to saltwater and I got a 40g breeder. Can anyone with one give me a list of all you have for it? Im going to have a sump too but as of now have a 10g but thinking about just buying a 20g? Any help would be great.

08/23/2015, 10:57 AM	#2
Dkuhlmann Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: NW Iowa Posts: 8,823	You should go with a 20g tall for your sump. Wait until Petco has their $ gal sale again and you get it for $20 Quality heater, 65gal or more skimmer, 750gal return pump can go higher but this works well. Quality lighting if you are going to do a reef, 36" HO T5 4 bulb would work fine or you can go with LED's. The cheap Chinese imports on Ebay for $83 shipped work well Digital thermometer, and at least one better with two power heads. I'd do at least 50lbs of sand and 45-60 lbs of live rock for the main tank and another 15 or so in the sump. This increases your bio load I'm sure I'm leaving out a few things necessary because I'm doing this and cooking lunch I have this same setup. __________________ Previous tanks: 200 gal fowlr 9" Emperor Angel and many different butterfly fish 4" maroon clown and several other fish, 50 gal sump, 40 gal mixed reef/fish mostly softies and LPS. Current Tank Info: 40b 750 gph 45 lbs lr, 2"-3" sand, 165w full spectrum dimable LED, 20 gal sump/refugium 30 lbs lr, Bak Pak 2 skimmer, 4" sock temp 79-80, sg 1.026, NH3 0, NO2 0, NO3 <10, ph 8.2, calc 400, mag 1300

08/23/2015, 11:11 AM	#3
Marchillo Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 1,178	I don't have a sump but good that you are getting it. I had 40 #s of sand and rock but added20 #s of sand. I would do 60 #s sand 40-50 #s rock. I have 3 phs on it. Two koralias at 425 and 1 at 240. They are fine and cheap. Depends on what you plan on keeping. If I did it over I may have done one 850 and one 425. I don't love the light I have it's an orbit marine led 1st generation light. It's whatever. I have an EShopps hob skimmer rated for 75g. They have an in sump version. I am pleased with it. You can find used skimmers on here and save some money. __________________ 80G Frag as DT Proflex Sump Model2 Reef Octopus Skimmer 2xMP10 & 2XR30W Pros I love technology

08/23/2015, 12:54 PM	#4
Dkuhlmann Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: NW Iowa Posts: 8,823	OH I almost forgot, my skimmer is a HOB which gives me more room in the sump, something to think about. It works great. __________________ Previous tanks: 200 gal fowlr 9" Emperor Angel and many different butterfly fish 4" maroon clown and several other fish, 50 gal sump, 40 gal mixed reef/fish mostly softies and LPS. Current Tank Info: 40b 750 gph 45 lbs lr, 2"-3" sand, 165w full spectrum dimable LED, 20 gal sump/refugium 30 lbs lr, Bak Pak 2 skimmer, 4" sock temp 79-80, sg 1.026, NH3 0, NO2 0, NO3 <10, ph 8.2, calc 400, mag 1300

08/23/2015, 03:13 PM	#6
Dkuhlmann Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: NW Iowa Posts: 8,823	No, get an overflow box and cut for 1" pvc I forget the size it's like 1.033" but they make a special drill hole saw for drilling for 1" pvc __________________ Previous tanks: 200 gal fowlr 9" Emperor Angel and many different butterfly fish 4" maroon clown and several other fish, 50 gal sump, 40 gal mixed reef/fish mostly softies and LPS. Current Tank Info: 40b 750 gph 45 lbs lr, 2"-3" sand, 165w full spectrum dimable LED, 20 gal sump/refugium 30 lbs lr, Bak Pak 2 skimmer, 4" sock temp 79-80, sg 1.026, NH3 0, NO2 0, NO3 <10, ph 8.2, calc 400, mag 1300

08/23/2015, 01:46 PM	#5
joejenn06 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 37	Awesome thanks gives me so many things to think about. Did you all cut holes in the back of the tank or did you just do the hang off the back overflow? If you cut what size did you use and what kind of overflow?

08/23/2015, 03:31 PM	#7
Marchillo Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 1,178	I don't have a sump so I actually just bought a hob refugium but I wish I had a sump. __________________ 80G Frag as DT Proflex Sump Model2 Reef Octopus Skimmer 2xMP10 & 2XR30W Pros I love technology

08/23/2015, 03:50 PM	#8
joejenn06 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 37	How big of a box? Is 1200 GPH good?6"W x 3 1/2"D x 5"T Last edited by joejenn06; 08/23/2015 at 04:01 PM.

08/23/2015, 04:07 PM	#9
Dkuhlmann Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: NW Iowa Posts: 8,823	box is close I found it easier to put the bulkheads in with W 8" x H 5" x D 5" just easier to get hands in. I don't silicone my bulkheads just let the rubber gasket seal it. I also only make them hand tight, never had a leak. My old box was 7x4x4 just too tight. __________________ Previous tanks: 200 gal fowlr 9" Emperor Angel and many different butterfly fish 4" maroon clown and several other fish, 50 gal sump, 40 gal mixed reef/fish mostly softies and LPS. Current Tank Info: 40b 750 gph 45 lbs lr, 2"-3" sand, 165w full spectrum dimable LED, 20 gal sump/refugium 30 lbs lr, Bak Pak 2 skimmer, 4" sock temp 79-80, sg 1.026, NH3 0, NO2 0, NO3 <10, ph 8.2, calc 400, mag 1300

08/23/2015, 04:23 PM	#10
joejenn06 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 37	I found this..... http://www.ebay.com/itm/1200-GPH-AQU...item3aab9a3e79

08/23/2015, 04:43 PM	#11
Dkuhlmann Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: NW Iowa Posts: 8,823	Joe/Jenn that works! __________________ Previous tanks: 200 gal fowlr 9" Emperor Angel and many different butterfly fish 4" maroon clown and several other fish, 50 gal sump, 40 gal mixed reef/fish mostly softies and LPS. Current Tank Info: 40b 750 gph 45 lbs lr, 2"-3" sand, 165w full spectrum dimable LED, 20 gal sump/refugium 30 lbs lr, Bak Pak 2 skimmer, 4" sock temp 79-80, sg 1.026, NH3 0, NO2 0, NO3 <10, ph 8.2, calc 400, mag 1300

08/23/2015, 05:29 PM	#12
Isaacs55 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Riverbank CA Posts: 906	Any size box works just make sure to get the right bulkheads. Are you doing BeAnAnimals overflow or herbie overflow? __________________ Isaac T "It doesnt hurt to Read...Read...and Read some more" "You dont know where you're going, until you know where you've been" New Tank Build: 40 gallon mixed Reef Current Tank Info: 40 gallon mixed Reef, Mars Aqua LED

08/23/2015, 05:40 PM	#13
joejenn06 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 37	Sorry new to all this whats the difference?

08/23/2015, 08:27 PM	#14
mushumatt Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: West Chester Posts: 670	Research research research before you buy or do anything. I would recommend a 20 long sump instead of a 20tall you will have more area for equipment then a 20tall. Check out glass-holes.com for your overflow and return. Lights: 2x Aquaillumination hydra 26 led Return: quiet one 3000 Flow: vortech mp10, jebao rw8 two tunze nano streams Rock: ~50 pounds Substrate: 40 pounds Skimmer: eshopps psk100 about to upgrade to a aquamaxx Dual carbon and gfo reactor Custom dual 1" overflow Hydor ATo with kalkwasser dripper __________________ Lets Go Mountaineers WVU Audi Sport/ACNA/NEQ Current Tank Info: 40 BR w/20L sump

08/23/2015, 08:49 PM	#15
mushumatt Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: West Chester Posts: 670	Read all of the stickies on top of this sub forum it will answer almost all of the questions you have. __________________ Lets Go Mountaineers WVU Audi Sport/ACNA/NEQ Current Tank Info: 40 BR w/20L sump

08/24/2015, 06:37 PM	#17
mushumatt Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: West Chester Posts: 670	I wasn't trying to say you wouldn't have room, I was just trying to convey that a 20 long would have a little more room for equipment then a 20 tall. __________________ Lets Go Mountaineers WVU Audi Sport/ACNA/NEQ Current Tank Info: 40 BR w/20L sump

08/24/2015, 06:50 PM	#18
Isaacs55 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Riverbank CA Posts: 906	Yea I love my 20 long sump. I couldn't do my current setup if i baught a 20 high. 20 high would be good for like no external ATO container, or more space for like dry equipment like external pump or storing additives and what not. __________________ Isaac T "It doesnt hurt to Read...Read...and Read some more" "You dont know where you're going, until you know where you've been" New Tank Build: 40 gallon mixed Reef Current Tank Info: 40 gallon mixed Reef, Mars Aqua LED

08/25/2015, 11:42 AM	#19
joejenn06 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 37	well im going to wait until petco has its $1 gallon sale again and that might take a while because we just have one few weeks ago :/

08/25/2015, 12:04 PM	#21
joejenn06 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 37	I talked to the guy that works with the saltwater fish and he said they have them about 6 times a year. So Ill be keeping my eyes out for the sale and hope someone might have one for sell.