Coral beauty eat my cleaner shrimp

mrkabokieman · 10/29/2015, 07:18 PM

Hello,

I went to one of the nicer fish store in my area and got a coral beauty angle fish last week and yesterday it eat my shrimp.
I would like to keep shrimp and other inverts in tank and would like to know if this fish is know to eat inverts and coral?

I also bought a hammer coral and frog spawn and they have not opened sense I got them. Does anyone have any tips to get them to open?
I am not sure of my water parameters as I don't have a test kit yet, but I do regular water changes.

Thanks for any help!

My current set up is a 75 gallon and 20 gallon sump with a filter sock, GFO and carbon. My lighting is a current usa orbit led light.

stingeragent · 10/29/2015, 08:06 PM

The current usa light, unless you got the most recently released one that no longer has 1/4 watt led's is vastly under powered. I think you answered your own question on the angel. If it ate your shrimp, then the one you got is known to eat shrimp. There are no "tips" to get a coral to open. They need the proper lighting, water flow, and water parameters to open. Do you have a refractometer? I wouldn't buy any more fish, coral, etc until you can get some test kits. It's like sending an astronaut to mars and telling him to take off his helmet and not knowing if their is oxygen or not. Without some basic parameters, salinity, temp, ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, it's impossible to give you an answer on what could be upsetting the corals that is causing them to not open. If your LFS accepts returns, I'd take back the corals, and the angel and get test kits instead. Blindly throwing animals into your tank without knowing anything of the enviroment they are going into is a lost battle.

Duke4life · 10/29/2015, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by stingeragent

The current usa light, unless you got the most recently released one that no longer has 1/4 watt led's is vastly under powered. I think you answered your own question on the angel. If it ate your shrimp, then the one you got is known to eat shrimp. There are no "tips" to get a coral to open. They need the proper lighting, water flow, and water parameters to open. Do you have a refractometer? I wouldn't buy any more fish, coral, etc until you can get some test kits. It's like sending an astronaut to mars and telling him to take off his helmet and not knowing if their is oxygen or not. Without some basic parameters, salinity, temp, ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, it's impossible to give you an answer on what could be upsetting the corals that is causing them to not open. If your LFS accepts returns, I'd take back the corals, and the angel and get test kits instead. Blindly throwing animals into your tank without knowing anything of the enviroment they are going into is a lost battle.

+1
Research before buying, you can get into trouble real fast in this hobby by impulse buying.

mrkabokieman · 10/29/2015, 08:32 PM

Thank you for the response, I do test my salinity and watch my temp quite closely and keep at 78 degrees and 1.025 I just got my light a week or two ago.
I have not tested for nitrate or nitrite in past few tanks I have never had any show up on a test kit so I skip testing as I never get results from those tests and find that I can better see what's happing by how much algae and detritus is build in my tank.

I have a 75 gallon and with two 800gph power head and a 600gph return pump. My power heads are placed high in the tank to keep my sand from blowing around.
I tried placing the coral in the middle of the tank then moved them down lower to see if they would like less light and water flow with no luck.

jeeperrs · 10/29/2015, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Duke4life

+1
Research before buying, you can get into trouble real fast in this hobby by impulse buying.

He joined in 2012, I have a feeling he has done "research". What exact light do you have? Tell us about your tank size and equipment.

jeeperrs · 10/29/2015, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mrkabokieman

Thank you for the response, I do test my salinity and watch my temp quite closely and keep at 78 degrees and 1.025 I just got my light a week or two ago.
I have not tested for nitrate or nitrite in past few tanks I have never had any show up on a test kit so I skip testing as I never get results from those tests and find that I can better see what's happing by how much algae and detritus is build in my tank.

I have a 75 gallon and with two 800gph power head and a 600gph return pump. My power heads are placed high in the tank to keep my sand from blowing around.
I tried placing the coral in the middle of the tank then moved them down lower to see if they would like less light and water flow with no luck.

Often the water will make a down draft when powerheads are placed at both sides, high in the tank. This makes the current pretty fast in the middle of the tank, which seems unlikely. Try moving your hammer to the side of the tank. This is actually a little slower current as it is being drawn back to the pump from the middle turbulence. Hammers can handle moderate flow but they need to warm up to it.

mrkabokieman · 10/29/2015, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jeeperrs

Often the water will make a down draft when powerheads are placed at both sides, high in the tank. This makes the current pretty fast in the middle of the tank, which seems unlikely. Try moving your hammer to the side of the tank. This is actually a little slower current as it is being drawn back to the pump from the middle turbulence. Hammers can handle moderate flow but they need to warm up to it.

Ok I will give that a try now, Do you think sense my angle eat my shrimp that it is nipping my coral when im not looking causing them to not open? Or would adding kalk to my ato would help my two corals? I wasn't sure if this is necessary yet with only two coral.

My light is Current USA Orbit Marine Aquarium LED Light, 48 to 60-Inch that I got off Amazon.

stingeragent · 10/29/2015, 08:55 PM

From my personal experience with hammers and frogspawn, Hammers like lower flow and lighting than torches. Flow is a tough subject. In my current tank I have a setup similar to yours, powerheads on opposite sides, and it can be really tough to see where the strong flow is. The top of my tank has lower flow than the bottom even though my powerheads are close to the top. The highest flow is about 1/4 of the tank in on the bottom on either side. Sand just whips around down there. As to the corals themselves, how frequently are you moving them? They can take a few days if not a week or longer before they adjust to a given spot. Pics of your corals, FTS might help some.

Edit: Don't dose anything your not testing for. Angels are hit or miss in reef tanks. Some may never nip a coral, and some will. Theres really no 100% answer. The angel you have might not nip a coral until a year from now and you put it in a coral it decides to nip, or it may never touch the corals. It's all up in the air.

Edit 2: I had that same fixture. It has the storm effects right? It won't be good enough for anything but soft corals. That could be part of the problem.

Edit 3: I have found that most corals, when first introduced to a setup will open within 6-24 hours provided conditions are right. Some corals are more stubborn ( blue sympodium you devils...), but you gotta take it slow. If you move one to a new spot, you gotta give it a few days to see how it reacts. If your moving them every hour it's too fast for them to see if they like that spot.

Edit 4: Forgot to ask, how did you acclimate the corals to your tank?

mrkabokieman · 10/29/2015, 09:05 PM

Here is a picture of my tank 75 gallon 10 2015.jpg

I would start to test prior to adding kalk to my tank.

Yes it is the light with the storm affect and I know its not the best but it should be able to keep some low light corals. I know someday I will have to add more light to keep more coral

I got the coral last Saturday then moved them to the sand bed on Wednesday and now just moved them off to the side a little more than in this picture, Pic is a few hours old.

I did a drip acclimate for 1 to 1.5 hours after floating the bags in the tank for 1 hour.

jeeperrs · 10/30/2015, 05:58 AM

Be sure to test your water once you start adding supplements. You do not want it to create a large spike in pH.

Your tank looks very nice.

10/29/2015, 07:18 PM	#1
mrkabokieman Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Elk River MN Posts: 4	Coral beauty eat my cleaner shrimp Hello, I went to one of the nicer fish store in my area and got a coral beauty angle fish last week and yesterday it eat my shrimp. I would like to keep shrimp and other inverts in tank and would like to know if this fish is know to eat inverts and coral? I also bought a hammer coral and frog spawn and they have not opened sense I got them. Does anyone have any tips to get them to open? I am not sure of my water parameters as I don't have a test kit yet, but I do regular water changes. Thanks for any help! My current set up is a 75 gallon and 20 gallon sump with a filter sock, GFO and carbon. My lighting is a current usa orbit led light.

10/29/2015, 08:55 PM	#8
stingeragent Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 1,032	From my personal experience with hammers and frogspawn, Hammers like lower flow and lighting than torches. Flow is a tough subject. In my current tank I have a setup similar to yours, powerheads on opposite sides, and it can be really tough to see where the strong flow is. The top of my tank has lower flow than the bottom even though my powerheads are close to the top. The highest flow is about 1/4 of the tank in on the bottom on either side. Sand just whips around down there. As to the corals themselves, how frequently are you moving them? They can take a few days if not a week or longer before they adjust to a given spot. Pics of your corals, FTS might help some. Edit: Don't dose anything your not testing for. Angels are hit or miss in reef tanks. Some may never nip a coral, and some will. Theres really no 100% answer. The angel you have might not nip a coral until a year from now and you put it in a coral it decides to nip, or it may never touch the corals. It's all up in the air. Edit 2: I had that same fixture. It has the storm effects right? It won't be good enough for anything but soft corals. That could be part of the problem. Edit 3: I have found that most corals, when first introduced to a setup will open within 6-24 hours provided conditions are right. Some corals are more stubborn ( blue sympodium you devils...), but you gotta take it slow. If you move one to a new spot, you gotta give it a few days to see how it reacts. If your moving them every hour it's too fast for them to see if they like that spot. Edit 4: Forgot to ask, how did you acclimate the corals to your tank? Last edited by stingeragent; 10/29/2015 at 09:02 PM.

10/29/2015, 09:05 PM	#9
mrkabokieman Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Elk River MN Posts: 4	Here is a picture of my tank 75 gallon 10 2015.jpg I would start to test prior to adding kalk to my tank. Yes it is the light with the storm affect and I know its not the best but it should be able to keep some low light corals. I know someday I will have to add more light to keep more coral I got the coral last Saturday then moved them to the sand bed on Wednesday and now just moved them off to the side a little more than in this picture, Pic is a few hours old. I did a drip acclimate for 1 to 1.5 hours after floating the bags in the tank for 1 hour. Last edited by mrkabokieman; 10/29/2015 at 09:13 PM.

10/29/2015, 08:06 PM	#2
stingeragent Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 1,032	The current usa light, unless you got the most recently released one that no longer has 1/4 watt led's is vastly under powered. I think you answered your own question on the angel. If it ate your shrimp, then the one you got is known to eat shrimp. There are no "tips" to get a coral to open. They need the proper lighting, water flow, and water parameters to open. Do you have a refractometer? I wouldn't buy any more fish, coral, etc until you can get some test kits. It's like sending an astronaut to mars and telling him to take off his helmet and not knowing if their is oxygen or not. Without some basic parameters, salinity, temp, ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, it's impossible to give you an answer on what could be upsetting the corals that is causing them to not open. If your LFS accepts returns, I'd take back the corals, and the angel and get test kits instead. Blindly throwing animals into your tank without knowing anything of the enviroment they are going into is a lost battle.

10/29/2015, 08:32 PM	#4
mrkabokieman Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Elk River MN Posts: 4	Thank you for the response, I do test my salinity and watch my temp quite closely and keep at 78 degrees and 1.025 I just got my light a week or two ago. I have not tested for nitrate or nitrite in past few tanks I have never had any show up on a test kit so I skip testing as I never get results from those tests and find that I can better see what's happing by how much algae and detritus is build in my tank. I have a 75 gallon and with two 800gph power head and a 600gph return pump. My power heads are placed high in the tank to keep my sand from blowing around. I tried placing the coral in the middle of the tank then moved them down lower to see if they would like less light and water flow with no luck.

10/30/2015, 05:58 AM	#10
jeeperrs Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Oklahoma City Posts: 572	Be sure to test your water once you start adding supplements. You do not want it to create a large spike in pH. Your tank looks very nice.