Quarantine New Arrivals

jmc1024 · 02/03/2016, 07:53 PM

Hello I'm new to the hobby. I was wondering if you automatically treat/medicate new arrivals in a quarantine tank as a precaution? Or is it advisable to see if any visible symptoms develop before treating the tank? If you automatically treat new arrivals regardless if they are showing symptoms or not, what do you use?
Thanks
J

Fish Keeper82 · 02/03/2016, 08:03 PM

To prevent ICH introduction to day tank TTM http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2388428

and add Prazipro preventative treatment for flukes and internal parasites.

Monitor for any symptoms and treat accordingly.

Nothing is 100% but this seems to work very well and low stress.

gone fishin · 02/03/2016, 08:09 PM

I treat all new fish as if they have ich and run them through TTM. After TTM they go into my main QT for 4-5 weeks(depends on work schedule) of observation. At some point I do 2 rounds of prazi pro for flukes and internal parasites. I usually do the prazi during TTM, I would suggest doing prazi in the main QT your first couple of times until you get into a comfortable routine with TTM. Good luck just my 2 cents.

jmc1024 · 02/03/2016, 08:19 PM

Wow thanks for the info. Is it possible to treat for ICH without doing TTM? I think my wife will kill me if i set up another tank.

Fish Keeper82 · 02/03/2016, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmc1024

Wow thanks for the info. Is it possible to treat for ICH without doing TTM? I think my wife will kill me if i set up another tank.

buckets will do for this

jmc1024 · 02/03/2016, 08:27 PM

how long do you typically leave them in each bucket for? I assume you'd need a heater and powerhead or ayirstone too?

Fish Keeper82 · 02/03/2016, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmc1024

how long do you typically leave them in each bucket for? I assume you'd need a heater and powerhead or ayirstone too?

transfers in less than 72 hours ( read that link again)

powerhead or airstone for aeration.

heater depends where you live really. I don't use a heater.

have some seachem prime on hand also just in case.

gone fishin · 02/03/2016, 08:30 PM

Yes a couple 5g buckets will work.

other methods of treating for ich are copper such as cupramine and hyposalinity. Copper is basically a poison and must be vigilantly monitored and hypo must be maintained at 1.009. There are multiple stickies a the top of the fish disease forum chocked full of good info. The myth vs. fact one is a good one.

A.Astore · 02/03/2016, 08:31 PM

While I am not as seasoned as the others, I have recently dealt with ICH with Cupramine and then put the next round of fish through TTM from the start with Prazi in the process. I would highly suggest being proactive rather than reactive in terms of disease. TTM is not as difficult as it may sound, and in fact is truly easy once you get a rhythm going for it.

If you can remove ICH through TTM from the equation from the start as well as flukes/internal parasite through PraziPro you will be in a much better position should something else come up.

Some will advocate for the place in QT for long periods and just monitor then treat when needed; however, there are some things that are very difficult to know are present. Fish can carry ICH but have immunity to the actual physical side effects; thus, TTM helps to ensure you aren't putting a fish harboring ICH in the display tank. A lot of people have mentioned flukes being pretty common lately as well.

It all comes down to what you are able to do time wise. Looking back though I can honestly say I spend less time and have a lot less stress doing the TTM vs treating with copper.

The PraziPro isn't as rough on the fish as some other meds which is why a lot of people are likely to use it regardless of knowing there is an issue present. It is also straight forward without the need to monitor levels in the water as some others are so it is less of a hassle as well.

Just what I have gathered but it is simply one of the many aspects of this hobby that you will find various approaches and you just need to decide what is best for you. Welcome to the hobby of endless material to read!

Fish Keeper82 · 02/03/2016, 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A.Astore

Welcome to the hobby of endless material to read!

Starting here http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1031074

Info contained in the stickies will solve tons of questions

jmc1024 · 02/03/2016, 08:37 PM

Thanks for the info

jmc1024 · 02/03/2016, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A.Astore

While I am not as seasoned as the others, I have recently dealt with ICH with Cupramine and then put the next round of fish through TTM from the start with Prazi in the process. I would highly suggest being proactive rather than reactive in terms of disease. TTM is not as difficult as it may sound, and in fact is truly easy once you get a rhythm going for it.

If you can remove ICH through TTM from the equation from the start as well as flukes/internal parasite through PraziPro you will be in a much better position should something else come up.

Some will advocate for the place in QT for long periods and just monitor then treat when needed; however, there are some things that are very difficult to know are present. Fish can carry ICH but have immunity to the actual physical side effects; thus, TTM helps to ensure you aren't putting a fish harboring ICH in the display tank. A lot of people have mentioned flukes being pretty common lately as well.

It all comes down to what you are able to do time wise. Looking back though I can honestly say I spend less time and have a lot less stress doing the TTM vs treating with copper.

The PraziPro isn't as rough on the fish as some other meds which is why a lot of people are likely to use it regardless of knowing there is an issue present. It is also straight forward without the need to monitor levels in the water as some others are so it is less of a hassle as well.

Just what I have gathered but it is simply one of the many aspects of this hobby that you will find various approaches and you just need to decide what is best for you. Welcome to the hobby of endless material to read!

A.Astore,
Do you continue a quarantine after doing TTM?

kmbyrnes · 02/04/2016, 05:33 AM

I never did QT until Ich wiped out about $800 worth of fish.
Now its TTM and 4-6 weeks of observational QT after that.
TTM takes care of ich ( and you can dose Prazi-Pro as well ). The remaining time allows you to be certain the fish is disease and parasite free and also allows the fish to acclimate to aquarium life, get used to your feeding regimen and fatten up before joining the DT.

jmc1024 · 02/04/2016, 05:49 AM

When you do TTM do you use your DT water? I imagine that you can't use freshly made water as it hasn't cycled or does it matter since the fish are in that water for a shot period?
Thanks for the info everyone.

Fish Keeper82 · 02/04/2016, 06:42 AM

Water doesnt cycle .... your tank does.
Freshly made water and old day tank water will have the same ammonia spike since there is no biological filtration. The bacteria that are responsible for the biological filtration live primarily on your tanks rocks and sand.
This is why i said to have some prime on hand it converts the ammonia in the water to a non toxic form.
I use fresh mixed water since my fish never come i with the same salinity as my aytank anyway.

jmc1024 · 02/04/2016, 07:06 AM

Since you use buckets, do you put a lid on it which would keep them in totally darkness? Or do you keep the water level lower w/o a lid?
Also, I was planning on getting a goby, would he be ok w/o sand for a few weeks?

sde1500 · 02/04/2016, 07:18 AM

I bought two small containers from the container store. Put a small heater and air stone in, threw egg crate over the top. Just keep a small amount of ro/di water near by to top off with, you won't need much in small containers that you rotate through every 72 hrs anyway.

Fish Keeper82 · 02/04/2016, 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmc1024

Since you use buckets, do you put a lid on it which would keep them in totally darkness? Or do you keep the water level lower w/o a lid?
Also, I was planning on getting a goby, would he be ok w/o sand for a few weeks?

Goby will be fine without sand during QT
Anytime you have a goby, have some sort of top to keep him from jumping out

02/03/2016, 07:53 PM	#1
jmc1024 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 87	Quarantine New Arrivals Hello I'm new to the hobby. I was wondering if you automatically treat/medicate new arrivals in a quarantine tank as a precaution? Or is it advisable to see if any visible symptoms develop before treating the tank? If you automatically treat new arrivals regardless if they are showing symptoms or not, what do you use? Thanks J

02/03/2016, 08:03 PM	#2
Fish Keeper82 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 691	To prevent ICH introduction to day tank TTM http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2388428 and add Prazipro preventative treatment for flukes and internal parasites. Monitor for any symptoms and treat accordingly. Nothing is 100% but this seems to work very well and low stress. Last edited by Fish Keeper82; 02/03/2016 at 08:15 PM.

02/03/2016, 08:09 PM	#3
gone fishin Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Wyocena Wi Posts: 6,936	I treat all new fish as if they have ich and run them through TTM. After TTM they go into my main QT for 4-5 weeks(depends on work schedule) of observation. At some point I do 2 rounds of prazi pro for flukes and internal parasites. I usually do the prazi during TTM, I would suggest doing prazi in the main QT your first couple of times until you get into a comfortable routine with TTM. Good luck just my 2 cents. __________________ Tony Current Tank Info: 180gal DT, BM NAC77 skimmer,3 Maxspect razors, Maxspect Gyre 150, 30g QT

02/03/2016, 08:30 PM	#8
gone fishin Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Wyocena Wi Posts: 6,936	Yes a couple 5g buckets will work. other methods of treating for ich are copper such as cupramine and hyposalinity. Copper is basically a poison and must be vigilantly monitored and hypo must be maintained at 1.009. There are multiple stickies a the top of the fish disease forum chocked full of good info. The myth vs. fact one is a good one. __________________ Tony Current Tank Info: 180gal DT, BM NAC77 skimmer,3 Maxspect razors, Maxspect Gyre 150, 30g QT

02/04/2016, 05:33 AM	#13
kmbyrnes Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Mesa AZ Posts: 2,055	I never did QT until Ich wiped out about $800 worth of fish. Now its TTM and 4-6 weeks of observational QT after that. TTM takes care of ich ( and you can dose Prazi-Pro as well ). The remaining time allows you to be certain the fish is disease and parasite free and also allows the fish to acclimate to aquarium life, get used to your feeding regimen and fatten up before joining the DT. __________________ 125g Mixed Reef 5/26/2015; 350 Butterfly Dominated FOWLR 11/26/2015 - 11/17/20217 & 07/31/18 to ??? ; 100g Mixed Reef 11/16/2013 to 06/16/2017 Current Tank Info: Too small

02/03/2016, 08:19 PM	#4
jmc1024 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 87	Wow thanks for the info. Is it possible to treat for ICH without doing TTM? I think my wife will kill me if i set up another tank.

02/03/2016, 08:27 PM	#6
jmc1024 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 87	how long do you typically leave them in each bucket for? I assume you'd need a heater and powerhead or ayirstone too?

02/03/2016, 08:31 PM	#9
A.Astore Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Waynesboro, VA Posts: 418	While I am not as seasoned as the others, I have recently dealt with ICH with Cupramine and then put the next round of fish through TTM from the start with Prazi in the process. I would highly suggest being proactive rather than reactive in terms of disease. TTM is not as difficult as it may sound, and in fact is truly easy once you get a rhythm going for it. If you can remove ICH through TTM from the equation from the start as well as flukes/internal parasite through PraziPro you will be in a much better position should something else come up. Some will advocate for the place in QT for long periods and just monitor then treat when needed; however, there are some things that are very difficult to know are present. Fish can carry ICH but have immunity to the actual physical side effects; thus, TTM helps to ensure you aren't putting a fish harboring ICH in the display tank. A lot of people have mentioned flukes being pretty common lately as well. It all comes down to what you are able to do time wise. Looking back though I can honestly say I spend less time and have a lot less stress doing the TTM vs treating with copper. The PraziPro isn't as rough on the fish as some other meds which is why a lot of people are likely to use it regardless of knowing there is an issue present. It is also straight forward without the need to monitor levels in the water as some others are so it is less of a hassle as well. Just what I have gathered but it is simply one of the many aspects of this hobby that you will find various approaches and you just need to decide what is best for you. Welcome to the hobby of endless material to read!

02/03/2016, 08:37 PM	#11
jmc1024 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 87	Thanks for the info

02/04/2016, 05:49 AM	#14
jmc1024 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 87	When you do TTM do you use your DT water? I imagine that you can't use freshly made water as it hasn't cycled or does it matter since the fish are in that water for a shot period? Thanks for the info everyone.

02/04/2016, 06:42 AM	#15
Fish Keeper82 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 691	Water doesnt cycle .... your tank does. Freshly made water and old day tank water will have the same ammonia spike since there is no biological filtration. The bacteria that are responsible for the biological filtration live primarily on your tanks rocks and sand. This is why i said to have some prime on hand it converts the ammonia in the water to a non toxic form. I use fresh mixed water since my fish never come i with the same salinity as my aytank anyway.

02/04/2016, 07:06 AM	#16
jmc1024 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 87	Since you use buckets, do you put a lid on it which would keep them in totally darkness? Or do you keep the water level lower w/o a lid? Also, I was planning on getting a goby, would he be ok w/o sand for a few weeks?

02/04/2016, 07:18 AM	#17
sde1500 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Glocester, RI Posts: 3,336	I bought two small containers from the container store. Put a small heater and air stone in, threw egg crate over the top. Just keep a small amount of ro/di water near by to top off with, you won't need much in small containers that you rotate through every 72 hrs anyway.