Help with rising the KH

Vpkjules · 08/22/2016, 01:37 PM

Hi!

Need some help out here!
We're trying to get the KH to rise. When starting it was 6°D. It raised until 7°D and then dropped back down to 6

So we added a KH plus and it raised back to 7.
Now our PH seames to berising also. It is at 8,3...

We stil have the algues growing everywhere, only started up a month ago.

What do we do?? #confused

PsychoticBeauty · 08/22/2016, 01:52 PM

Do you know what your Calcium & Magnesium are? When I want to adjust my Alkalinity I always start with the Magnesium first. Bump that up to the proper level followed by the Calcium and then the Alkalinity.

Sk8r · 08/22/2016, 02:14 PM

If the mg is low, the alk won't rise.

NS Mike D · 08/22/2016, 02:57 PM

Vpkjules, the reason Mg is being mentioned is that it keeps Calcium and Carbonate from bonding and precipitating. Sort of a boxing referee stepping in to break up a clinch.

Vpkjules · 08/22/2016, 03:05 PM

Previous water change my Ca was 410. Tomorrow i will go get a Mg test! I did not bought it yet cause i was in my cycle fase.

i will update you tomorrow

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NS Mike D · 08/22/2016, 03:11 PM

are you using rodi water? Something isn't adding up for you Alk to be so low with a new salt mix since it should have had sufficient Kh and Mg. What's your salinity?

Vpkjules · 08/22/2016, 03:12 PM

Yeap im using reversed osmosis. Red sea salt is the mix i use and the salinity is 1024 25degrees celcius.

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NS Mike D · 08/22/2016, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vpkjules

Yeap im using reversed osmosis. Red sea salt is the mix i use and the salinity is 1024 25degrees celcius.

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RO v RO/DI?

You may have ions if it's not also deionized that is messing with your KH (and thus the ph), also, deionization removes copper which can be deadly to a reef tank.

Vpkjules · 08/22/2016, 03:30 PM

Well i bought my RO water in 2 different stores to do my water changes. I only have an 80l tank so the purchase of a system would be a "waste" for..?

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NS Mike D · 08/22/2016, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vpkjules

Well i bought my RO water in 2 different stores to do my water changes. I only have an 80l tank so the purchase of a system would be a "waste" for..?

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Most LFS will sell RO/DI water as do large pet store chains (not sure if that is an option for you).

I have a 29 gal nano and for about a $100 purchased a rodi system that I can hook up to my kitchen sink and then store away after I make my water. Additionally, if I am lazy, I can get 5gal of rodi from my LFS for less than $5;

The rodi cartridges should last me 10 years before needing to be replaced based on 5 gals every week (but I will change them after two years).

Vpkjules · 08/22/2016, 03:39 PM

Hmmm so i guess i might consider buying one.

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Vpkjules · 08/22/2016, 03:40 PM

Well i buy my reversed osmosis from a LFS that is specialized in saltwater tanks. So i guess they will have 'clean' RO?

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NS Mike D · 08/22/2016, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vpkjules

Well i buy my reversed osmosis from a LFS that is specialized in saltwater tanks. So i guess they will have 'clean' RO?

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If your water is from the LFS, then it's both reverse osmosis and deionized - no to negligible TDS (total dissolved solids). So we can rule out your water as a source of the problem.

From the other thread you have a lot of algae for a new tank. Buy lots of water and do aggressive water changes to rid the tank of those nutrients until your numbers start to fall in line. Also, manually pull that algae of of the tank as per the suggestion in the other thread.

jurgenph · 08/22/2016, 04:29 PM

what does your fresh salt water test at? does it have high/low Alk?

it is possible that your tank is still finding it's balance, and your bacterial population is feeding on nutrients using your Alk as a carbon source.

any other livestock in the tank currently?

J.

Vpkjules · 08/23/2016, 12:12 AM

Only 3 trochus snails and 2 cleaner shrimp since this weekend.

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08/22/2016, 01:37 PM	#1
Vpkjules Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 52	Help with rising the KH Hi! Need some help out here! We're trying to get the KH to rise. When starting it was 6°D. It raised until 7°D and then dropped back down to 6 So we added a KH plus and it raised back to 7. Now our PH seames to berising also. It is at 8,3... We stil have the algues growing everywhere, only started up a month ago. What do we do?? #confused

08/22/2016, 02:14 PM	#3
Sk8r RC Mod Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 34,628 Blog Entries: 55	If the mg is low, the alk won't rise. __________________ Sk8r Salinity 1.024-6; alkalinity 8.3-9.3 on KH scale; calcium 420; magnesium 1300, temp 78-80, nitrate .2. Ammonia 0. No filters: lps tank. Alk and cal won't rise if mg is low. Current Tank Info: 105g AquaVim wedge, yellow tang, sailfin blenny,royal gramma, ocellaris clown pair, yellow watchman, 100 microceriths, 25 tiny hermits, a 4" conch, 1" nassarius, recovering from 2 year hiatus with daily water change of 10%.

08/22/2016, 01:52 PM	#2
PsychoticBeauty Registered Member. Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Gotham City Posts: 123	Do you know what your Calcium & Magnesium are? When I want to adjust my Alkalinity I always start with the Magnesium first. Bump that up to the proper level followed by the Calcium and then the Alkalinity.

08/22/2016, 02:57 PM	#4
NS Mike D Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Huntington, NY Posts: 391	Vpkjules, the reason Mg is being mentioned is that it keeps Calcium and Carbonate from bonding and precipitating. Sort of a boxing referee stepping in to break up a clinch.

08/22/2016, 03:05 PM	#5
Vpkjules Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 52	Previous water change my Ca was 410. Tomorrow i will go get a Mg test! I did not bought it yet cause i was in my cycle fase. i will update you tomorrow Verzonden vanaf mijn iPhone met Tapatalk

08/22/2016, 03:11 PM	#6
NS Mike D Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Huntington, NY Posts: 391	are you using rodi water? Something isn't adding up for you Alk to be so low with a new salt mix since it should have had sufficient Kh and Mg. What's your salinity?

08/22/2016, 03:12 PM	#7
Vpkjules Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 52	Yeap im using reversed osmosis. Red sea salt is the mix i use and the salinity is 1024 25degrees celcius. Verzonden vanaf mijn iPhone met Tapatalk

08/22/2016, 03:30 PM	#9
Vpkjules Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 52	Well i bought my RO water in 2 different stores to do my water changes. I only have an 80l tank so the purchase of a system would be a "waste" for..? Verzonden vanaf mijn iPhone met Tapatalk

08/22/2016, 03:39 PM	#11
Vpkjules Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 52	Hmmm so i guess i might consider buying one. Verzonden vanaf mijn iPhone met Tapatalk

08/22/2016, 03:40 PM	#12
Vpkjules Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 52	Well i buy my reversed osmosis from a LFS that is specialized in saltwater tanks. So i guess they will have 'clean' RO? Verzonden vanaf mijn iPhone met Tapatalk

08/22/2016, 04:29 PM	#14
jurgenph Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 76	what does your fresh salt water test at? does it have high/low Alk? it is possible that your tank is still finding it's balance, and your bacterial population is feeding on nutrients using your Alk as a carbon source. any other livestock in the tank currently? J.

08/23/2016, 12:12 AM	#15
Vpkjules Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 52	Only 3 trochus snails and 2 cleaner shrimp since this weekend. Verzonden vanaf mijn iPhone met Tapatalk