Tank seems to be dying...

TokiHacker · 02/06/2017, 08:48 AM

Ph 8.4 ammonia 0 nitrite 0 nitrate 0

Year Established 27.5gal

Tankmates two frostbite clownfish now 2 chromis fire fish dragon goby yellow tang (to get transferred to my 180 when it's up and running) and a cubicus no fish I am holding for a friend. I added a lot of Xenia some blue ridge coral some green pascoma and mushrooms from a friends tank he was shutting down. This morning lost one of the previous 3 green chromis and the clowns and other two green chromis are acting crazy and coral doesn't look good my montipora cap was looking great and bleached over night. Rbta looks fine and the other fish outside the clowns and chromis look good. Did a 20% wc even though Params didn't move. Put a lot of carbon in hob and now don't know what to do. Is it the boxfish?

Greybeard · 02/06/2017, 08:59 AM

Hard to tell. Sometimes, impossible. I've had a tank die on me, never did figure out exactly what happened.

1'st suggestion, get new test kits, or just take a sample to your best LFS. The test kits we use are notorious for false results... old reagents, bad lighting, could be lots of factors skewing a test kit.

2nd suggestion, chemical poisoning. Air fresheners and household cleaning chemicals getting into a tank is a real problem for many, and may well be the reason for the crash I had.

Boxfish are fairly sensitive to parasites. Could be that moving him into your system stressed him out enough for an outbreak.

mcgyvr · 02/06/2017, 09:05 AM

Is the tank on a GFCI?
Have you tested for a faulty pump/heater,etc..

Or maybe heater got stuck on? (happens often)

Alkalinity test results?
Salinity?

TokiHacker · 02/06/2017, 09:09 AM

Salinity 1.026 alk was 10 last time I checked yesterday

TokiHacker · 02/06/2017, 09:11 AM

Water temp was fine and all is running properly

TokiHacker · 02/06/2017, 09:39 AM

Lfs says all is perfect except calcium at 400

TokiHacker · 02/06/2017, 09:42 AM

Returned boxfish to lfs told my friend to go get him in not holding him anymore

CrayolaViolence · 02/06/2017, 09:45 AM

Was gonna say, it's probably the box fish. When they are stressed they release toxins which will kill other fish and even themselves. And apparently they stress over everything.

TokiHacker · 02/06/2017, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrayolaViolence

Was gonna say, it's probably the box fish. When they are stressed they release toxins which will kill other fish and even themselves. And apparently they stress over everything.

That's the only thing I could rule today....

TokiHacker · 02/06/2017, 10:08 AM

Loaded the filters up with carbon.... now water changes and wait

TokiHacker · 02/06/2017, 03:11 PM

got rid of boxfish and clowns look better but mushrooms look like crap.... will do another wc tonight and check. In morrning

TokiHacker · 02/06/2017, 04:50 PM

Anything else anyone can think of??

Sk8r · 02/06/2017, 05:32 PM

RUn carbon and run POlyFilter if you've got it. Either can absorb organics, and this toxin is an organic. 30% water change. And then just hope.

TokiHacker · 02/06/2017, 06:03 PM

I just did another wc running lots of carbon and poly skimmer is wet skimming

TokiHacker · 02/07/2017, 10:30 AM

Fish made it through the night but the coral is not looking good

TokiHacker · 02/07/2017, 11:41 AM

Did another 25% wc... don't really know what to do now

Shwimy · 02/20/2017, 04:20 PM

Hows the tank doing? did it pull through

TokiHacker · 02/22/2017, 10:08 AM

Yes!! Sorry.

I was running this system w/out a skimmer (had a PS1 in it and it ****ed me off). Went with a coral life and that solved my issues. the boxfish did kill a few things sadly... but everything now is prospering (except my fingerleather now finicky pain in the ...) but everything is back to normal!

02/06/2017, 08:48 AM	#1
TokiHacker Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Mobile, Alabama Posts: 549	Tank seems to be dying... Ph 8.4 ammonia 0 nitrite 0 nitrate 0 Year Established 27.5gal Tankmates two frostbite clownfish now 2 chromis fire fish dragon goby yellow tang (to get transferred to my 180 when it's up and running) and a cubicus no fish I am holding for a friend. I added a lot of Xenia some blue ridge coral some green pascoma and mushrooms from a friends tank he was shutting down. This morning lost one of the previous 3 green chromis and the clowns and other two green chromis are acting crazy and coral doesn't look good my montipora cap was looking great and bleached over night. Rbta looks fine and the other fish outside the clowns and chromis look good. Did a 20% wc even though Params didn't move. Put a lot of carbon in hob and now don't know what to do. Is it the boxfish? __________________ 200 GAL Mixed Reef Build \| 20GAL JBJ Frag Tank \| 29GAL Chiragra Mantis Shrimp Tank

02/06/2017, 09:05 AM	#3
mcgyvr Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 20,050	Is the tank on a GFCI? Have you tested for a faulty pump/heater,etc.. Or maybe heater got stuck on? (happens often) Alkalinity test results? Salinity? __________________ Who me?

02/06/2017, 09:09 AM	#4
TokiHacker Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Mobile, Alabama Posts: 549	Salinity 1.026 alk was 10 last time I checked yesterday __________________ 200 GAL Mixed Reef Build \| 20GAL JBJ Frag Tank \| 29GAL Chiragra Mantis Shrimp Tank

02/06/2017, 09:11 AM	#5
TokiHacker Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Mobile, Alabama Posts: 549	Water temp was fine and all is running properly __________________ 200 GAL Mixed Reef Build \| 20GAL JBJ Frag Tank \| 29GAL Chiragra Mantis Shrimp Tank

02/06/2017, 09:39 AM	#6
TokiHacker Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Mobile, Alabama Posts: 549	Lfs says all is perfect except calcium at 400 __________________ 200 GAL Mixed Reef Build \| 20GAL JBJ Frag Tank \| 29GAL Chiragra Mantis Shrimp Tank

02/06/2017, 08:59 AM	#2
Greybeard Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Buffalo, MO Posts: 651	Hard to tell. Sometimes, impossible. I've had a tank die on me, never did figure out exactly what happened. 1'st suggestion, get new test kits, or just take a sample to your best LFS. The test kits we use are notorious for false results... old reagents, bad lighting, could be lots of factors skewing a test kit. 2nd suggestion, chemical poisoning. Air fresheners and household cleaning chemicals getting into a tank is a real problem for many, and may well be the reason for the crash I had. Boxfish are fairly sensitive to parasites. Could be that moving him into your system stressed him out enough for an outbreak.

02/06/2017, 09:42 AM	#7
TokiHacker Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Mobile, Alabama Posts: 549	Returned boxfish to lfs told my friend to go get him in not holding him anymore __________________ 200 GAL Mixed Reef Build \| 20GAL JBJ Frag Tank \| 29GAL Chiragra Mantis Shrimp Tank

02/06/2017, 09:45 AM	#8
CrayolaViolence Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,867	Was gonna say, it's probably the box fish. When they are stressed they release toxins which will kill other fish and even themselves. And apparently they stress over everything. __________________ "The good thing about science is that it's true whether you believe it or not." Neil deGrasse Tyson Current Tank Info: 90 gallon reef tank

02/06/2017, 10:08 AM	#10
TokiHacker Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Mobile, Alabama Posts: 549	Loaded the filters up with carbon.... now water changes and wait __________________ 200 GAL Mixed Reef Build \| 20GAL JBJ Frag Tank \| 29GAL Chiragra Mantis Shrimp Tank

02/06/2017, 03:11 PM	#11
TokiHacker Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Mobile, Alabama Posts: 549	got rid of boxfish and clowns look better but mushrooms look like crap.... will do another wc tonight and check. In morrning __________________ 200 GAL Mixed Reef Build \| 20GAL JBJ Frag Tank \| 29GAL Chiragra Mantis Shrimp Tank

02/06/2017, 04:50 PM	#12
TokiHacker Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Mobile, Alabama Posts: 549	Anything else anyone can think of?? __________________ 200 GAL Mixed Reef Build \| 20GAL JBJ Frag Tank \| 29GAL Chiragra Mantis Shrimp Tank

02/06/2017, 05:32 PM	#13
Sk8r RC Mod Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 34,628 Blog Entries: 55	RUn carbon and run POlyFilter if you've got it. Either can absorb organics, and this toxin is an organic. 30% water change. And then just hope. __________________ Sk8r Salinity 1.024-6; alkalinity 8.3-9.3 on KH scale; calcium 420; magnesium 1300, temp 78-80, nitrate .2. Ammonia 0. No filters: lps tank. Alk and cal won't rise if mg is low. Current Tank Info: 105g AquaVim wedge, yellow tang, sailfin blenny,royal gramma, ocellaris clown pair, yellow watchman, 100 microceriths, 25 tiny hermits, a 4" conch, 1" nassarius, recovering from 2 year hiatus with daily water change of 10%.

02/06/2017, 06:03 PM	#14
TokiHacker Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Mobile, Alabama Posts: 549	I just did another wc running lots of carbon and poly skimmer is wet skimming __________________ 200 GAL Mixed Reef Build \| 20GAL JBJ Frag Tank \| 29GAL Chiragra Mantis Shrimp Tank

02/07/2017, 10:30 AM	#15
TokiHacker Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Mobile, Alabama Posts: 549	Fish made it through the night but the coral is not looking good __________________ 200 GAL Mixed Reef Build \| 20GAL JBJ Frag Tank \| 29GAL Chiragra Mantis Shrimp Tank

02/07/2017, 11:41 AM	#16
TokiHacker Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Mobile, Alabama Posts: 549	Did another 25% wc... don't really know what to do now __________________ 200 GAL Mixed Reef Build \| 20GAL JBJ Frag Tank \| 29GAL Chiragra Mantis Shrimp Tank

02/20/2017, 04:20 PM	#17
Shwimy Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 52	Hows the tank doing? did it pull through

02/22/2017, 10:08 AM	#18
TokiHacker Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Mobile, Alabama Posts: 549	Yes!! Sorry. I was running this system w/out a skimmer (had a PS1 in it and it ****ed me off). Went with a coral life and that solved my issues. the boxfish did kill a few things sadly... but everything now is prospering (except my fingerleather now finicky pain in the ...) but everything is back to normal! __________________ 200 GAL Mixed Reef Build \| 20GAL JBJ Frag Tank \| 29GAL Chiragra Mantis Shrimp Tank