super glue and RTN STN how to do it right?

CTaylor · 08/17/2017, 03:46 PM

Hi,
I just pretty much killed my really nice acro of 6" across trying to prevent more tissue death. I should have looked up in detail how to properly use superglue in the process.

I took out the coral, put heavy layer of superglue on the fringes of live tissue where the white skeleton was bordering it. Then I didnt know what to do. I thought it needed to dry. I didnt want to leave it out in the open air, but the glue was still goopy. So I left it out for 3-5 mins. I was super worried about that. I then dipped it in CoralRX. Before only 10% or less was dead, now 40% is dead. Really bad reaction the stress I put it through.

I'm thinking now that I should NOT have left it in the open air at all, that superglue gel will 'dry' in water. So if I should have dipped it immediately after gluing it (?).

Let me know, whoever knows the answer

Thanks!

mcgyvr · 08/17/2017, 04:13 PM

yes water exposure accelerates the super glue hardening actually..
Just holding it for a few seconds once back in water is usually sufficient for it to thicken/skin up,etc.. even a good size glob of it
however corals can also last out of water for minutes or more fairly easily..
Many do it for hours in low tides,etc...

Superglue isn't magic/a guarantee to save anything really either.. Sometimes its just useless itself..

CTaylor · 08/17/2017, 04:30 PM

I was thinking the same thing on the acro being out of water. But the processed I described definitely crashed this coral. So if it wasnt air exposure for up to 5 mins, then it was the dip in the CoralRx for 8 mins.
At least I know I do not need to keep it in air for any length of time. Makes sense since I think superglue is used to glue body organs (which are wet lol).

vhuang168 · 08/17/2017, 07:58 PM

Dip 1st.

Then figure out where you are going to glue it.

Apply the glue, place it where you wanted. Hold it in place and let it start to harden. Try not to move it too much. Should take about 15-20 secs.

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UTCReefer · 08/17/2017, 11:50 PM

The glue may have burned the coral where you put it locally but dipping an already stressed coral in coral Rx is probably what did the coral in.

CTaylor · 08/18/2017, 01:43 PM

The tissue death may have stopped or slowed significantly. If I clip off the dead branches, it will actually still look like a nice piece, just smaller. I'll take pics to see the tracking of the tissue loss.
**Is it possible for the tissue to re-grow over dead spots in branches and other spots? It's a millepora type acro, though I don't think it's an actual millepora. I'll post a pic later. I know some acros can spread out and encrust, but millepora?
**And when someone does use Superglue, is it suggested to not dip at all in that same time frame? If not, then when should a dip be performed? Or is it one thing or the other? Dip OR superglue.
Thanks!

vhuang168 · 08/18/2017, 08:09 PM

Dip 1st.

Then glue.

Nvm. I see that you are trying to slow down stn. Dipping in coral Rx doesn't really solve anything if you don't have any pests on it.

Figuring out why it's stning is probably your 1st step.

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CTaylor · 08/20/2017, 02:06 PM

I actually do need to break up that acro now. Tissue is dying, but not flaking off. Other acros are doing great. So it seems to have been triggered to die off. The trigger was probably my alk swings (hitting 13 Dkh) and a temp swing (3 degrees). Or Could have stemmed from being shipped in very cold water when I first got it 4 or so weeks ago. Some of my acros had a delayed death from being shipped in lower 60's water. Looked good then slowly declined. Those shipped well don't have that issue.

bobafet1 · 08/22/2017, 07:20 PM

I noticed when I apply superglue gel to a frag then place it in my tank a thin layer of glue floats away. Is this stuff toxic to the livestock?

CTaylor · 08/22/2017, 09:27 PM

what I did was I set aside a gallon of tank water. I glued the tissue front on the frags, and dropped them in the bucket for about 10 mins. Stirred the water well to blow off glue fragments, etc. Then placed in tank. **But, stuipdly (I was in a rush at homedepot), I got a bottle of super glue gel and a bottle of non gel. Bad mistake. I ran out of the gel of course from previous try at this. The nongel is like water. So I dont even know if the glue stayed where it was supposed to. Some frags got only gel. So, we'll see :-/

Indybill · 09/10/2017, 09:58 AM

If you used lots of glue, it releases heat as part of the curing process. My guess is that you over-heated your coral. Try using less glue. I add a dab of epoxy over a little glue and dip in a specimen cup for a minute or so, then towel-off the epoxy and add a dab of super glue gel to the epoxy, which helps fix it on the rock and you can actually position a frag much better that way. Good luck!

08/17/2017, 03:46 PM	#1
CTaylor Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,524	super glue and RTN STN how to do it right? Hi, I just pretty much killed my really nice acro of 6" across trying to prevent more tissue death. I should have looked up in detail how to properly use superglue in the process. I took out the coral, put heavy layer of superglue on the fringes of live tissue where the white skeleton was bordering it. Then I didnt know what to do. I thought it needed to dry. I didnt want to leave it out in the open air, but the glue was still goopy. So I left it out for 3-5 mins. I was super worried about that. I then dipped it in CoralRX. Before only 10% or less was dead, now 40% is dead. Really bad reaction the stress I put it through. I'm thinking now that I should NOT have left it in the open air at all, that superglue gel will 'dry' in water. So if I should have dipped it immediately after gluing it (?). Let me know, whoever knows the answer Thanks!

08/17/2017, 04:13 PM	#2
mcgyvr Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 20,050	yes water exposure accelerates the super glue hardening actually.. Just holding it for a few seconds once back in water is usually sufficient for it to thicken/skin up,etc.. even a good size glob of it however corals can also last out of water for minutes or more fairly easily.. Many do it for hours in low tides,etc... Superglue isn't magic/a guarantee to save anything really either.. Sometimes its just useless itself.. __________________ Who me?

08/17/2017, 07:58 PM	#4
vhuang168 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 2,136	Dip 1st. Then figure out where you are going to glue it. Apply the glue, place it where you wanted. Hold it in place and let it start to harden. Try not to move it too much. Should take about 15-20 secs. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Vincent 40g custom AIO --> DSA190Pro

08/18/2017, 08:09 PM	#7
vhuang168 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 2,136	super glue and RTN STN how to do it right? Dip 1st. Then glue. Nvm. I see that you are trying to slow down stn. Dipping in coral Rx doesn't really solve anything if you don't have any pests on it. Figuring out why it's stning is probably your 1st step. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Vincent 40g custom AIO --> DSA190Pro

08/17/2017, 04:30 PM	#3
CTaylor Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,524	I was thinking the same thing on the acro being out of water. But the processed I described definitely crashed this coral. So if it wasnt air exposure for up to 5 mins, then it was the dip in the CoralRx for 8 mins. At least I know I do not need to keep it in air for any length of time. Makes sense since I think superglue is used to glue body organs (which are wet lol).

08/17/2017, 11:50 PM	#5
UTCReefer Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: San Diego Posts: 652	The glue may have burned the coral where you put it locally but dipping an already stressed coral in coral Rx is probably what did the coral in.

08/18/2017, 01:43 PM	#6
CTaylor Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,524	The tissue death may have stopped or slowed significantly. If I clip off the dead branches, it will actually still look like a nice piece, just smaller. I'll take pics to see the tracking of the tissue loss. Is it possible for the tissue to re-grow over dead spots in branches and other spots? It's a millepora type acro, though I don't think it's an actual millepora. I'll post a pic later. I know some acros can spread out and encrust, but millepora? And when someone does use Superglue, is it suggested to not dip at all in that same time frame? If not, then when should a dip be performed? Or is it one thing or the other? Dip OR superglue. Thanks!

08/20/2017, 02:06 PM	#8
CTaylor Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,524	I actually do need to break up that acro now. Tissue is dying, but not flaking off. Other acros are doing great. So it seems to have been triggered to die off. The trigger was probably my alk swings (hitting 13 Dkh) and a temp swing (3 degrees). Or Could have stemmed from being shipped in very cold water when I first got it 4 or so weeks ago. Some of my acros had a delayed death from being shipped in lower 60's water. Looked good then slowly declined. Those shipped well don't have that issue.

08/22/2017, 07:20 PM	#9
bobafet1 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: 92336 Posts: 1,822	I noticed when I apply superglue gel to a frag then place it in my tank a thin layer of glue floats away. Is this stuff toxic to the livestock?

08/22/2017, 09:27 PM	#10
CTaylor Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,524	what I did was I set aside a gallon of tank water. I glued the tissue front on the frags, and dropped them in the bucket for about 10 mins. Stirred the water well to blow off glue fragments, etc. Then placed in tank. **But, stuipdly (I was in a rush at homedepot), I got a bottle of super glue gel and a bottle of non gel. Bad mistake. I ran out of the gel of course from previous try at this. The nongel is like water. So I dont even know if the glue stayed where it was supposed to. Some frags got only gel. So, we'll see :-/

09/10/2017, 09:58 AM	#11
Indybill Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 12	If you used lots of glue, it releases heat as part of the curing process. My guess is that you over-heated your coral. Try using less glue. I add a dab of epoxy over a little glue and dip in a specimen cup for a minute or so, then towel-off the epoxy and add a dab of super glue gel to the epoxy, which helps fix it on the rock and you can actually position a frag much better that way. Good luck!