Vortech Pump Placement

Steveb · 03/31/2019, 05:49 PM

Ok pump placement geniuses I'm looking for ideas!

I have a 265g 84x24x30” tall.

I have 4, yes 4 Mp60’s back from when I was going to do a 400g tank.

How many should be used and where would you place them?

EcoTech calculator says 2 max but wondering if I could run 3 or even 4 and just not run them super high.

Tank will be SPS dominant but I do have chalices and other fleshy LPS plus some shrooms and zoas in the frag tanks waiting for this build.

I haven’t decided on rock work yet.

untico · 04/01/2019, 06:46 PM

If they are Reef link compatible you could sync up to 8 of them. They’re fully programmable so you can adjust and set as needed by your corals. I run Neptune Wav pumps and do the same, just sit in front of the aquarium and adjust them with the app as needed. Super easy and practical.

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77bandit · 04/01/2019, 08:57 PM

sorry to barge in, but do you like the neptune wav's? how many on what size of tank?

untico · 04/01/2019, 09:01 PM

Currently have 2, one on each end and a Tunze Turbelle Stream 3 on one end and they can create some pretty strong flow if needed. Love the Wav’s as they’re fully controllable on Apex Fusion, but you must have an Apex though

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cboltsd · 04/01/2019, 09:09 PM

I would place one on each end of the tank and the other two spaced evenly on the back of the tank for crossflow.

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supra400hptt · 04/01/2019, 09:42 PM

The most common answer would probably be two on the back and one on each end.

I don't like the look of pumps on the end so I'd put all four on the back wall, not synced, all on reef crest mode, setting appropriate max speed.

Steveb · 04/02/2019, 06:11 AM

Thanks for the feedback!

I had considered one or two along the back with one on each side.

I hadn’t considered all four on the back, kind of a neat idea.

You think all 4 wouldn’t be to much flow?

I also considered something like this:

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Vinny Kreyling · 04/02/2019, 11:48 AM

There is a sand bed to consider if you use one.
Too close to the bottom & a sand storm.
Too much flow back to front will move sand too.
You will just have to try it, but 1 each side & 2 on the rear sounds right.
Point them up slightly if you can.

Steveb · 04/02/2019, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vinny Kreyling

There is a sand bed to consider if you use one.
Too close to the bottom & a sand storm.
Too much flow back to front will move sand too.
You will just have to try it, but 1 each side & 2 on the rear sounds right.
Point them up slightly if you can.

True.

Substrate: Gonna mix it up..
Reefflakes - 3.0mm,
Reefflakes Grand Select - 4.5mm,
Bag of coral gravel.

Probably just an inch or so.

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supra400hptt · 04/02/2019, 01:07 PM

I favor running as many pumps as reasonable to get as much varied flow as possible across all parts of the tank. I wouldn't be running the MP60s anywhere near max on the back, but would use all four. I would probably even add a couple more pumps (like gyres) with a 84" tank.

On my 48" tank I have two Sea Swirls on the returns randomizing the flow across the top. Two MP40s on the back wall at the bottom putting flow across the bottom of the tank, and two gyres vertical in the back corners pulsing opposite each other creating a back and forth gyre at mid level.

Lots of ways to tackle it. If you don't mind pumps on the side, the power of the MP60s could be used to get good flow across the 84". No perfect solution. Really nice tank BTW.

Steveb · 04/02/2019, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by supra400hptt

I favor running as many pumps as reasonable to get as much varied flow as possible across all parts of the tank. I wouldn't be running the MP60s anywhere near max on the back, but would use all four. I would probably even add a couple more pumps (like gyres) with a 84" tank.

On my 48" tank I have two Sea Swirls on the returns randomizing the flow across the top. Two MP40s on the back wall at the bottom putting flow across the bottom of the tank, and two gyres vertical in the back corners pulsing opposite each other creating a back and forth gyre at mid level.

Lots of ways to tackle it. If you don't mind pumps on the side, the power of the MP60s could be used to get good flow across the 84". No perfect solution. Really nice tank BTW.

Wow!! Curious are you running bare bottom?

Thank you on the tank. Its been a LONG time coming.

FullBoreReefer · 04/02/2019, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baringcs

Thanks for the feedback!

I had considered one or two along the back with one on each side.

I hadn’t considered all four on the back, kind of a neat idea.

You think all 4 wouldn’t be to much flow?

I also considered something like this:

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I run four mp40s like you’ve pictured, two on each side in my 60x36x24

Steveb · 04/02/2019, 02:28 PM

Any issues with lower ones kicking up substrate?

supra400hptt · 04/03/2019, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baringcs

Wow!! Curious are you running bare bottom?

Yeah, bare bottom. That's how I get away with running two MP40s across the bottom.

Steveb · 04/21/2019, 05:34 PM

Here is what I ended up with.

MP60’s on the ends, 2 MP40’s on the back.

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03/31/2019, 05:49 PM	#1
Steveb Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: TX Posts: 1,090	Vortech Pump Placement Ok pump placement geniuses I'm looking for ideas! I have a 265g 84x24x30” tall. I have 4, yes 4 Mp60’s back from when I was going to do a 400g tank. How many should be used and where would you place them? EcoTech calculator says 2 max but wondering if I could run 3 or even 4 and just not run them super high. Tank will be SPS dominant but I do have chalices and other fleshy LPS plus some shrooms and zoas in the frag tanks waiting for this build. I haven’t decided on rock work yet. __________________ Steve My Tanks 50x30 ABS Tub & a 48x24 frag tank at the moment Steve's Reef 265 Build In Progress

04/01/2019, 06:46 PM	#2
untico Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Riverside, CA Posts: 596	If they are Reef link compatible you could sync up to 8 of them. They’re fully programmable so you can adjust and set as needed by your corals. I run Neptune Wav pumps and do the same, just sit in front of the aquarium and adjust them with the app as needed. Super easy and practical. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Louis, Pura vida mae Current Tank Info: 300gal Mixed reef, AI 52 HD LED'S /180 gal.Sump-AI 52 w/Refugium , 50gal Skimmer sump, 20gal quarantine tank. No Chiller :>)

04/01/2019, 09:01 PM	#4
untico Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Riverside, CA Posts: 596	Vortech Pump Placement Currently have 2, one on each end and a Tunze Turbelle Stream 3 on one end and they can create some pretty strong flow if needed. Love the Wav’s as they’re fully controllable on Apex Fusion, but you must have an Apex though Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Louis, Pura vida mae Current Tank Info: 300gal Mixed reef, AI 52 HD LED'S /180 gal.Sump-AI 52 w/Refugium , 50gal Skimmer sump, 20gal quarantine tank. No Chiller :>)

04/02/2019, 06:11 AM	#7
Steveb Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: TX Posts: 1,090	Thanks for the feedback! I had considered one or two along the back with one on each side. I hadn’t considered all four on the back, kind of a neat idea. You think all 4 wouldn’t be to much flow? I also considered something like this: Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro __________________ Steve My Tanks 50x30 ABS Tub & a 48x24 frag tank at the moment Steve's Reef 265 Build In Progress

04/02/2019, 11:48 AM	#8
Vinny Kreyling Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Miller Place, NY Posts: 7,206	There is a sand bed to consider if you use one. Too close to the bottom & a sand storm. Too much flow back to front will move sand too. You will just have to try it, but 1 each side & 2 on the rear sounds right. Point them up slightly if you can. __________________ 250 gallon mixed reef, 2 Reefbreeder's Photon V 2, Deepwater BLDC 12, DAS EX-3 Skimmer, MTC mini cal, 2-3/4" Sea Swirls, Aquacontroller & 6 Tunze pumps.

04/01/2019, 08:57 PM	#3
77bandit Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 32	sorry to barge in, but do you like the neptune wav's? how many on what size of tank?

04/01/2019, 09:09 PM	#5
cboltsd Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 56	I would place one on each end of the tank and the other two spaced evenly on the back of the tank for crossflow. Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk

04/01/2019, 09:42 PM	#6
supra400hptt Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 295	The most common answer would probably be two on the back and one on each end. I don't like the look of pumps on the end so I'd put all four on the back wall, not synced, all on reef crest mode, setting appropriate max speed.

04/02/2019, 01:07 PM	#10
supra400hptt Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 295	I favor running as many pumps as reasonable to get as much varied flow as possible across all parts of the tank. I wouldn't be running the MP60s anywhere near max on the back, but would use all four. I would probably even add a couple more pumps (like gyres) with a 84" tank. On my 48" tank I have two Sea Swirls on the returns randomizing the flow across the top. Two MP40s on the back wall at the bottom putting flow across the bottom of the tank, and two gyres vertical in the back corners pulsing opposite each other creating a back and forth gyre at mid level. Lots of ways to tackle it. If you don't mind pumps on the side, the power of the MP60s could be used to get good flow across the 84". No perfect solution. Really nice tank BTW.

04/02/2019, 02:28 PM	#13
Steveb Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: TX Posts: 1,090	Any issues with lower ones kicking up substrate? __________________ Steve My Tanks 50x30 ABS Tub & a 48x24 frag tank at the moment Steve's Reef 265 Build In Progress

04/21/2019, 05:34 PM	#15
Steveb Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: TX Posts: 1,090	Vortech Pump Placement Here is what I ended up with. MP60’s on the ends, 2 MP40’s on the back. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro __________________ Steve My Tanks 50x30 ABS Tub & a 48x24 frag tank at the moment Steve's Reef 265 Build In Progress