29rr to 75rr!

akrimmel · 05/09/2006, 02:44 PM

going from a 29 gal tank 1.5 years up to a 75 rr. want to transfer everything but afraid of it cyling all over again--thought please?

Travis L. Stevens · 05/09/2006, 03:04 PM

You aren't going to cycle again unless you add something that is decomposing. I really wouldn't worry about it.

john37 · 05/09/2006, 03:05 PM

dont transfer the sand....either wash it out really well and then put it in the 75 or use new sand.

yoboyjdizz · 05/09/2006, 03:06 PM

I would just make up the saltwatwer you need after you use all from your 29. If you add more rock get it already cured or slowly add new pieces over time, so that your tank can handle to new bio load.

yoboyjdizz · 05/09/2006, 03:06 PM

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Originally posted by john37
dont transfer the sand....either wash it out really well and then put it in the 75 or use new sand.

good point i would also use new sand as well... and maybe take a cup or two and seed it with your old sand.

akrimmel · 05/09/2006, 03:07 PM

even if i put 40-60 pounds of live sand?

akrimmel · 05/09/2006, 03:09 PM

adding 75 gals of new salt water wouldn't do anything to the old LR.

akrimmel · 05/09/2006, 03:10 PM

what about the fish i have in there as well, would you add all the old water?

Shooter7 · 05/09/2006, 03:15 PM

I transferred by 26 gal into a 120 gal. I used base rock along with all of my well established live rock and a sizeable amount of established live rock I got from another reefer. I used all aragonite sand, no live sand. I only had two small fish to transfer over at the time. Since I had so much LR that was well established, I did not have a typical cycle - i.e. the ammonia/nitrite thing. I did, however, still go through some levels of diatoms, very little hair algae, and cyano before completely stabilizing. You could have some die off in that live sand that could cause some cycling effects, and then there is the question of where your additional LR is coming from. Be ready with test kits and such to monitor. Would be a good time to go ahead and set up a QT so you've got a tank to put your inhabitants in if you do have problems, and you'll probably be adding more fish so it will come in handy for that as well.

akrimmel · 05/09/2006, 03:19 PM

well that's what i meant the pink argonite. i guess i will cure the new LR i get for a couple of weeks anyways?

Shooter7 · 05/09/2006, 03:26 PM

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Originally posted by akrimmel
well that's what i meant the pink argonite. i guess i will cure the new LR i get for a couple of weeks anyways?

Well, I just meant I used plain old aragonite sand that wasn't live sand - it was dry. It's been my experience that the sand bed gets pretty live on its own without the extra expense of the live sand - although some people like some added diversity of life that sometimes comes in those bags. Not sure it's necessary though as my sandbed has plenty going on. If I were you, I think I'd just leave my 29 up and running, put my new rock on a new sandbed in the 75 and let it cycle, once that's done transfer the 29 gal's stuff into the 75. That way you don't have to worry about putting your current stuff in an unstable envivroment. Then you'd have your 29 for use as a QT/hospital tank...which I like the idea of 'cause I have a 29 as a QT myself. You don't have to worry about transferring water from the 29 to the 75, really not necessary.

akrimmel · 05/09/2006, 03:29 PM

ok, iwas probalby just going to put up the new tank and let it cycle just for piece of mind?

Shooter7 · 05/09/2006, 03:32 PM

yup, that's what I'd do. You take care of your new rock, new sandbed that way, as well as giving you time to make sure that things are running as you want them in the new tank (pumps, heater, lights, etc) without having to worry about losing livestock in the process. Moving your tank in later won't do anything to it but add new life and help further stabilize things.

akrimmel · 05/10/2006, 07:52 AM

i agree!

05/09/2006, 02:44 PM	#1
akrimmel Moved On Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: HAZELWOOD, MO Posts: 2,260	29rr to 75rr! going from a 29 gal tank 1.5 years up to a 75 rr. want to transfer everything but afraid of it cyling all over again--thought please?

05/09/2006, 03:04 PM	#2
Travis L. Stevens Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Perry, OK Posts: 13,946	You aren't going to cycle again unless you add something that is decomposing. I really wouldn't worry about it. __________________ Travis Stevens Current Tank Info: Restarting 28g Bowfront

05/09/2006, 03:05 PM	#3
john37 Super Rad Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: 92867, 90240 Posts: 2,772	dont transfer the sand....either wash it out really well and then put it in the 75 or use new sand. __________________ Romans 10:9 Current Tank Info: ange!

05/09/2006, 03:15 PM	#9
Shooter7 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Tolono, IL Posts: 6,754	I transferred by 26 gal into a 120 gal. I used base rock along with all of my well established live rock and a sizeable amount of established live rock I got from another reefer. I used all aragonite sand, no live sand. I only had two small fish to transfer over at the time. Since I had so much LR that was well established, I did not have a typical cycle - i.e. the ammonia/nitrite thing. I did, however, still go through some levels of diatoms, very little hair algae, and cyano before completely stabilizing. You could have some die off in that live sand that could cause some cycling effects, and then there is the question of where your additional LR is coming from. Be ready with test kits and such to monitor. Would be a good time to go ahead and set up a QT so you've got a tank to put your inhabitants in if you do have problems, and you'll probably be adding more fish so it will come in handy for that as well. __________________ Dave Current Tank Info: 10 years salty - standard 29g reef - moved from 120 gal reef, 2x250w Reeflux 10k's on ARO electronics and VHO super actinics on Icecap ballast, 2xTunze 6060, MSX 200 skimmer, GEO 612 Ca reactor, mag 12 return

05/09/2006, 03:32 PM	#13
Shooter7 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Tolono, IL Posts: 6,754	yup, that's what I'd do. You take care of your new rock, new sandbed that way, as well as giving you time to make sure that things are running as you want them in the new tank (pumps, heater, lights, etc) without having to worry about losing livestock in the process. Moving your tank in later won't do anything to it but add new life and help further stabilize things. __________________ Dave Current Tank Info: 10 years salty - standard 29g reef - moved from 120 gal reef, 2x250w Reeflux 10k's on ARO electronics and VHO super actinics on Icecap ballast, 2xTunze 6060, MSX 200 skimmer, GEO 612 Ca reactor, mag 12 return

05/09/2006, 03:06 PM	#4
yoboyjdizz Registered Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Elk Grove, CA Posts: 3,137	I would just make up the saltwatwer you need after you use all from your 29. If you add more rock get it already cured or slowly add new pieces over time, so that your tank can handle to new bio load.

05/09/2006, 03:07 PM	#6
akrimmel Moved On Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: HAZELWOOD, MO Posts: 2,260	even if i put 40-60 pounds of live sand?

05/09/2006, 03:09 PM	#7
akrimmel Moved On Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: HAZELWOOD, MO Posts: 2,260	adding 75 gals of new salt water wouldn't do anything to the old LR.

05/09/2006, 03:10 PM	#8
akrimmel Moved On Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: HAZELWOOD, MO Posts: 2,260	what about the fish i have in there as well, would you add all the old water?

05/09/2006, 03:19 PM	#10
akrimmel Moved On Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: HAZELWOOD, MO Posts: 2,260	well that's what i meant the pink argonite. i guess i will cure the new LR i get for a couple of weeks anyways?

05/09/2006, 03:29 PM	#12
akrimmel Moved On Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: HAZELWOOD, MO Posts: 2,260	ok, iwas probalby just going to put up the new tank and let it cycle just for piece of mind?

05/10/2006, 07:52 AM	#14
akrimmel Moved On Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: HAZELWOOD, MO Posts: 2,260	i agree!