what size tank?

just_kiddin · 11/02/2006, 10:33 PM

What size tank would the recommend for...

Kaudern's Cardinal/Pterapogon kauderni (4)
Black Tang/Zebrasoma rostratum (1)
Wide Banded clownfish/Amphiprion Latezonatus (2)
Green Mandarin/Synchiropus splendidus (2)
Hi Fin Red Banded Goby/Stonogobiops nematodes (4)

I was thinking around a 250liter tank.

t5Nitro · 11/02/2006, 10:41 PM

I would say probably a 75 - 90? I am not exactly sure. As big as you can afford and have the space is probably best though

. More options by far.

just_kiddin · 11/02/2006, 11:06 PM

I thought 75gal would be min for the Tang, but I was looking at a 100gal tank. Mainly I want to breed these fish except for the Tang.

Also in a year or two I want to add a Moorish Idol or two, so I was thinking a 90gal tank would be good.

sir_dudeguy · 11/02/2006, 11:12 PM

imo i'd go for at least a 100. The tang will be quite a lot plus those 2 manderins...they're gonna need to be added at least a year after the tank is fully established to allow for a full pod population. And you may wanna reconsider having 2...they go thru a ton of pods. I read some statistics on them somewhere (cant remember where tho but it was a very interesting read) and the amount of pods they eat per year in POUNDS is incredible...(again...cant remember the actual numbers...but it surprised me). With 2 of them in a 75, you'll more than likely end up having to buy pods to feed them...which is very expensive (at least 17 bucks a bottle...a couple/few times a month...lotta money in the end

)

But if you were to take out the 2 manderins i'd say you could swing it w/an 80...i'm not familiar w/the black tang, but if its around the size of the yellows or blues, an 80 would probably be ok. (Dont get me wrong tho...a bigger tank is ALWAYS better specially for tangs)

just_kiddin · 11/02/2006, 11:25 PM

I am only getting the Mandarins if I can get them on frozen... Ill have a 10gal for just raising Pods for them, a 400 liter tank works out to be around 105 gals with around 150 LBS of LR and a 150 liter sump with a 100 liter refugium.

But other than that as I am going slightly bigger could i do this...

Kaudern's Cardinal/Pterapogon kauderni (5)
Black Tang/Zebrasoma rostratum (1)
Wide Banded clownfish/Amphiprion Latezonatus (2)
Green Mandarin/Synchiropus splendidus (2)
Hi Fin Red Banded Goby/Stonogobiops nematodes (5)
Moorish Idol/Zanclus canescens (1)
Flaming Prawn Goby/Discordipinna griessingeri (3)
Royal Gramma Basslet/Gramma loreto (2)
Achilles Tang/Acanthurus achilles (1)
Clown Tang/Acanthurus lineatus (1)

I will also have 2x10gal and 3x5gal rearing tanks for the fry of the...

Cardinals
Clowns
Mandarins
Gobys
Basslets

But the only problem I can see is the Tangs eating the new fry, but I am going to have around 125LBS of LR for them to hide in with corals and a anemone.

sir_dudeguy · 11/02/2006, 11:32 PM

I'd stay with the 2 smallest tangs and drop the others, and for sure drop the idol...the idols are not for beginners imo. Pretty tricky feeders (sometimes worse than manderins)

I'm not sure if you can keep multiples of the same gobies and whatnot...i'll let someone else reply to that as im not sure...but a lot of fish in this hobby arent compatible w/their own kind (unless they're paired up)

But for sure only keep the 2 smallest tangs out of those (not a tang person yet really...so i'm not great on all the dif. types and their needs) and drop the idol.

Having 2 tang-sized fish will be all you can keep in a 105 (as far as fish that size)...the other tangs and idol would proly go crazy w/aggression.

just_kiddin · 11/02/2006, 11:53 PM

ok ill drop the Achilles.

Ill wait til a goby person comes along to make sure everything is ok.

just_kiddin · 11/03/2006, 12:41 AM

Regarding the Idol, I am going to add him after 2 years after the tank cycle. So their will me a stable tank for it.

Regarding the Clowns, I am leaning over the the gold stripe maroons for I cant find any wide bands ATM, but if i cant have Maroons in my display could i put them in my regugium? I would love to get a mated pair. the tank for the maroons would be 20gals> could i keep two pairs of clowns with two anemones in a 105 gal tank? would their be enough space for territory. If the maroons are to aggressive could i do this.

Maroons in refugium
Wide band and black onyx in the display?

bllfish · 11/03/2006, 04:44 AM

I do not think the other fish will appreciate the idol being introduced to their 2 year old world. I am not sure a 100 gallon tank is big enough for an idol alone?

Tang_Cool · 11/03/2006, 04:55 AM

Two pairs of clowns is always risky IMO, especially if their maroons!

sir_dudeguy · 11/03/2006, 07:49 AM

there's only one pair of clowns on the list

BTTRFLYGRL · 11/03/2006, 09:19 AM

Black Tang and Achilles may be tricky, though different Genius..they are both black and Achilles tend to be aggressive [and not very hardy for the most part-not a good beginner fish]
Clown Tangs are MEAN, and they too have a dismal survival rate.
Moorish Idols need to be left in the ocean. Only the very experienced aquarist should attempt these fish.

If you leave out the Clown Tang and Moorish Idol...I'd say you need a 6' tank at least.. A 125 minimum IMO..
Add those fish back in, I'd go 200 gallon.

just_kiddin · 11/03/2006, 12:35 PM

Ok to make this clear this is what I want.

Kaudern's Cardinal/Pterapogon kauderni (5)
Black Tang/Zebrasoma rostratum (1)
Wide Banded clownfish/Amphiprion Latezonatus (2)
Black Onyx Clown/ (2)
Green Mandarin/Synchiropus splendidus (2)
Hi Fin Red Banded Goby/Stonogobiops nematodes (5)
Moorish Idol/Zanclus canescens (1)
Flaming Prawn Goby/Discordipinna griessingeri (3)
Royal Gramma Basslet/Gramma loreto (2)
Achilles Tang/Acanthurus achilles (1)
Clown Tang/Acanthurus lineatus (1)

Morrish Idol will be only attempted when I have more experience, and same with the clown tang.

Tang size 125gal?

BTTRFLYGRL · 11/03/2006, 01:33 PM

IMO, If you eventually want all four of those big fish I would go a lot bigger than a 125.
a 125 Would be fine for the Achilles and Black Tang

just_kiddin · 11/03/2006, 05:32 PM

Ok, ill drop the clown tang.

11/02/2006, 10:33 PM	#1
just_kiddin Moved On Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Zealand Posts: 57	what size tank? What size tank would the recommend for... Kaudern's Cardinal/Pterapogon kauderni (4) Black Tang/Zebrasoma rostratum (1) Wide Banded clownfish/Amphiprion Latezonatus (2) Green Mandarin/Synchiropus splendidus (2) Hi Fin Red Banded Goby/Stonogobiops nematodes (4) I was thinking around a 250liter tank.

11/02/2006, 10:41 PM	#2
t5Nitro Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 4,384	I would say probably a 75 - 90? I am not exactly sure. As big as you can afford and have the space is probably best though . More options by far. __________________ ATI T5 club Current Tank Info: Left the hobby, looking to re-enter in the future

11/02/2006, 11:12 PM	#4
sir_dudeguy Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 10,841	imo i'd go for at least a 100. The tang will be quite a lot plus those 2 manderins...they're gonna need to be added at least a year after the tank is fully established to allow for a full pod population. And you may wanna reconsider having 2...they go thru a ton of pods. I read some statistics on them somewhere (cant remember where tho but it was a very interesting read) and the amount of pods they eat per year in POUNDS is incredible...(again...cant remember the actual numbers...but it surprised me). With 2 of them in a 75, you'll more than likely end up having to buy pods to feed them...which is very expensive (at least 17 bucks a bottle...a couple/few times a month...lotta money in the end ) But if you were to take out the 2 manderins i'd say you could swing it w/an 80...i'm not familiar w/the black tang, but if its around the size of the yellows or blues, an 80 would probably be ok. (Dont get me wrong tho...a bigger tank is ALWAYS better specially for tangs) __________________ TAKE...LUCK!!!

11/02/2006, 11:32 PM	#6
sir_dudeguy Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 10,841	I'd stay with the 2 smallest tangs and drop the others, and for sure drop the idol...the idols are not for beginners imo. Pretty tricky feeders (sometimes worse than manderins) I'm not sure if you can keep multiples of the same gobies and whatnot...i'll let someone else reply to that as im not sure...but a lot of fish in this hobby arent compatible w/their own kind (unless they're paired up) But for sure only keep the 2 smallest tangs out of those (not a tang person yet really...so i'm not great on all the dif. types and their needs) and drop the idol. Having 2 tang-sized fish will be all you can keep in a 105 (as far as fish that size)...the other tangs and idol would proly go crazy w/aggression. __________________ TAKE...LUCK!!!

11/03/2006, 04:44 AM	#9
bllfish Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Stuart, Florida Posts: 1,818	I do not think the other fish will appreciate the idol being introduced to their 2 year old world. I am not sure a 100 gallon tank is big enough for an idol alone? __________________ "I fish by myself because lots of people don't like me, and the ones that do like me, well, I don't want them to know my spots." ><)))))*>--- Current Tank Info: 72 bow, 36" stand, 4 54W T5, vantec stealth fans, eheim 1260, mj 1200 & 2 Koralia #1 to WaveMaster Pro, CPR 24" Aquafuge HOB & 7100K PC, JBJ Arctica chiller, LiterMeter III

11/02/2006, 11:06 PM	#3
just_kiddin Moved On Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Zealand Posts: 57	I thought 75gal would be min for the Tang, but I was looking at a 100gal tank. Mainly I want to breed these fish except for the Tang. Also in a year or two I want to add a Moorish Idol or two, so I was thinking a 90gal tank would be good.

11/02/2006, 11:25 PM	#5
just_kiddin Moved On Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Zealand Posts: 57	I am only getting the Mandarins if I can get them on frozen... Ill have a 10gal for just raising Pods for them, a 400 liter tank works out to be around 105 gals with around 150 LBS of LR and a 150 liter sump with a 100 liter refugium. But other than that as I am going slightly bigger could i do this... Kaudern's Cardinal/Pterapogon kauderni (5) Black Tang/Zebrasoma rostratum (1) Wide Banded clownfish/Amphiprion Latezonatus (2) Green Mandarin/Synchiropus splendidus (2) Hi Fin Red Banded Goby/Stonogobiops nematodes (5) Moorish Idol/Zanclus canescens (1) Flaming Prawn Goby/Discordipinna griessingeri (3) Royal Gramma Basslet/Gramma loreto (2) Achilles Tang/Acanthurus achilles (1) Clown Tang/Acanthurus lineatus (1) I will also have 2x10gal and 3x5gal rearing tanks for the fry of the... Cardinals Clowns Mandarins Gobys Basslets But the only problem I can see is the Tangs eating the new fry, but I am going to have around 125LBS of LR for them to hide in with corals and a anemone.

11/02/2006, 11:53 PM	#7
just_kiddin Moved On Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Zealand Posts: 57	ok ill drop the Achilles. Ill wait til a goby person comes along to make sure everything is ok.

11/03/2006, 12:41 AM	#8
just_kiddin Moved On Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Zealand Posts: 57	Regarding the Idol, I am going to add him after 2 years after the tank cycle. So their will me a stable tank for it. Regarding the Clowns, I am leaning over the the gold stripe maroons for I cant find any wide bands ATM, but if i cant have Maroons in my display could i put them in my regugium? I would love to get a mated pair. the tank for the maroons would be 20gals> could i keep two pairs of clowns with two anemones in a 105 gal tank? would their be enough space for territory. If the maroons are to aggressive could i do this. Maroons in refugium Wide band and black onyx in the display?

11/03/2006, 04:55 AM	#10
Tang_Cool Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Perth, Australia Posts: 106	Two pairs of clowns is always risky IMO, especially if their maroons!

11/03/2006, 07:49 AM	#11
sir_dudeguy Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 10,841	there's only one pair of clowns on the list __________________ TAKE...LUCK!!!

11/03/2006, 09:19 AM	#12
BTTRFLYGRL Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: INDY Posts: 2,857	Black Tang and Achilles may be tricky, though different Genius..they are both black and Achilles tend to be aggressive [and not very hardy for the most part-not a good beginner fish] Clown Tangs are MEAN, and they too have a dismal survival rate. Moorish Idols need to be left in the ocean. Only the very experienced aquarist should attempt these fish. If you leave out the Clown Tang and Moorish Idol...I'd say you need a 6' tank at least.. A 125 minimum IMO.. Add those fish back in, I'd go 200 gallon. __________________ AKA Kim Hardie.. Current Tank Info: 240 gallon FOWLR, 180 gallon reef, 55 gallon for my Dwarf Lion

11/03/2006, 12:35 PM	#13
just_kiddin Moved On Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Zealand Posts: 57	Ok to make this clear this is what I want. Kaudern's Cardinal/Pterapogon kauderni (5) Black Tang/Zebrasoma rostratum (1) Wide Banded clownfish/Amphiprion Latezonatus (2) Black Onyx Clown/ (2) Green Mandarin/Synchiropus splendidus (2) Hi Fin Red Banded Goby/Stonogobiops nematodes (5) Moorish Idol/Zanclus canescens (1) Flaming Prawn Goby/Discordipinna griessingeri (3) Royal Gramma Basslet/Gramma loreto (2) Achilles Tang/Acanthurus achilles (1) Clown Tang/Acanthurus lineatus (1) Morrish Idol will be only attempted when I have more experience, and same with the clown tang. Tang size 125gal?

11/03/2006, 01:33 PM	#14
BTTRFLYGRL Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: INDY Posts: 2,857	IMO, If you eventually want all four of those big fish I would go a lot bigger than a 125. a 125 Would be fine for the Achilles and Black Tang __________________ AKA Kim Hardie.. Current Tank Info: 240 gallon FOWLR, 180 gallon reef, 55 gallon for my Dwarf Lion

11/03/2006, 05:32 PM	#15
just_kiddin Moved On Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Zealand Posts: 57	Ok, ill drop the clown tang.