Ich? - Page 2

Shagsbeard · 11/28/2006, 09:48 AM

It's not salt coming out... it's water going in to try to equalize the cocentraitions of salt in the organism and in the surrounding fluid. It's called osmosis. The creatures can't handle the influx of water. Fish can to a great degree but are still "harmed" by hypo salinity. The idea is to not kill the fish, but to "almost" kill the fish. Copper is just as stressful for the fish... or perhaps a bit more.

Still... a month or so in hypo or copper is much better for the fish than a lifetime with Ick.

ToTaLCHaoS13 · 11/28/2006, 10:11 AM

Well I am also doing a QT with Cupramine right now. I plan on keeping the display tank fish free for 42 days. How long do I need to treat with the Cupramine before I can consider the fish in QT parasite free?

billsreef · 11/28/2006, 10:47 AM

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Originally posted by MimicTang
6 weeks

billsreef: I was under the impression due to parasites thin cellular wall. Salt races out of the parasites ripped their tissue.

Nope. In the case of ich, the hypo does not directly kill the parasite, but merely halts the reproductive cycle. In the case of trematodes, aka flukes, the lowered salinty or a FW dip will outright kill them. In this case it's not that salt rushing out of the tissue, but rather the higher internal cell salinity drawing fresh water in and in essence drowing the parasite in it's own tissues

billsreef · 11/28/2006, 10:56 AM

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Originally posted by Shagsbeard
Fish can to a great degree but are still "harmed" by hypo salinity. The idea is to not kill the fish, but to "almost" kill the fish.

Actually for the short duration of hypo used for treatment, there is no damage or harm to the fish. Long term, i.e. several months or longer, there can be problems of fatty liver deposits. However, that's not an issue for the length of time we use hypo as a ich treatment.

MimicTang · 11/28/2006, 11:38 AM

u should do for 4 weeks at least Pure

Dan9 · 11/28/2006, 02:29 PM

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Originally posted by puredrive888
I just lower salinity and put garlic extreme in the fish food.

I do that for 10-15 straight days.

Could someone please explain this for me? Does this work? Does this replace the qt procedure? What do you lower the salinity to? What is garlic extreme? Can I get it at my lfs? Does it get rid of the ich all together or will it still be in the water? Thanks for all the help so far.

ToTaLCHaoS13 · 11/28/2006, 02:38 PM

Garlic eXtreme is made by Kent and can be bought at some lfs and online at places like Marine Depot. Some believe it acts as an appetite stimulant (I fall in this catagory) while other think it helps cure Ich (no proof of this but if it works for you, great!).

The lower salinity refered to is actually called hyposalinity treatment and it involves reducing your salinity to 1.009 and holding it there for a period long enough to stop Ich's life-cycle. It should only be tried if you have a lab grade floating hydrometer or a refractometer.

Dan9 · 11/28/2006, 04:37 PM

What should I do about my fish that can't be in a smaller tank? I can't keep him in a 5g for 6 weeks.

ToTaLCHaoS13 · 11/28/2006, 04:45 PM

buy a cheap plastic tub and use that. It will then come in handy later for mixing water and salt...

11/28/2006, 04:37 PM	#33
Dan9 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Williamsville, NY Posts: 392	What should I do about my fish that can't be in a smaller tank? I can't keep him in a 5g for 6 weeks. __________________ Dan

11/28/2006, 09:48 AM	#26
Shagsbeard Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Morro Bay, CA Posts: 2,143	It's not salt coming out... it's water going in to try to equalize the cocentraitions of salt in the organism and in the surrounding fluid. It's called osmosis. The creatures can't handle the influx of water. Fish can to a great degree but are still "harmed" by hypo salinity. The idea is to not kill the fish, but to "almost" kill the fish. Copper is just as stressful for the fish... or perhaps a bit more. Still... a month or so in hypo or copper is much better for the fish than a lifetime with Ick.

11/28/2006, 10:11 AM	#27
ToTaLCHaoS13 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Cartersville, GA Posts: 379	Well I am also doing a QT with Cupramine right now. I plan on keeping the display tank fish free for 42 days. How long do I need to treat with the Cupramine before I can consider the fish in QT parasite free?

11/28/2006, 11:38 AM	#30
MimicTang Moved On Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Hartford CT Posts: 1,517	u should do for 4 weeks at least Pure

11/28/2006, 02:38 PM	#32
ToTaLCHaoS13 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Cartersville, GA Posts: 379	Garlic eXtreme is made by Kent and can be bought at some lfs and online at places like Marine Depot. Some believe it acts as an appetite stimulant (I fall in this catagory) while other think it helps cure Ich (no proof of this but if it works for you, great!). The lower salinity refered to is actually called hyposalinity treatment and it involves reducing your salinity to 1.009 and holding it there for a period long enough to stop Ich's life-cycle. It should only be tried if you have a lab grade floating hydrometer or a refractometer.

11/28/2006, 04:45 PM	#34
ToTaLCHaoS13 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Cartersville, GA Posts: 379	buy a cheap plastic tub and use that. It will then come in handy later for mixing water and salt...