Need to hear from people who have STOPPED using Oceanic Salt

[fish_taste_good]

why switch if everything is ok?

[Jus Reefin]

Originally posted by fish_taste_good
why switch if everything is ok?

If you read the post it is explained

[thrlride]

So you get algae from oceanic after switching from IO. Sounds like a good example of blaming oceanic. But then you switch back to IO and your corals start to die and it is oceanic's fault?

Did I read that right?

[kite]

You guys get ripped on salt. I pay 13 bucks for a bag the size of my dogs body. (golden retriever). The bag is about 20~lbs.

You people are getting money sucked out of you

[Jus Reefin]

Originally posted by thrlride
So you get algae from oceanic after switching from IO. Sounds like a good example of blaming oceanic. But then you switch back to IO and your corals start to die and it is oceanic's fault?

Did I read that right?

I guess you didn't read it right and obviously have not read much on the subject since many, many others have had the same issues.

I used IO for 5+ years with no Algea problems what so ever. 1 month after switching to Oceanic I had a ton of Algea. If I test my RO/DI water and it test good but I test my Oceanic SW and it has higher Phosphate reading who else is too blame???? Not to be rude but I would suggest reading up more before putting words in someones mouth. Like I said it's no ones fault but my own for switching in the first place.

Since people seem to think the Salt has nothing to do with perfectly healthy corals dieing 24-48hrs after a WG or having a Algea free Reef for 5+ years then I switch salts and all hell breaks loose, I would love suggestions on what else it could be.

[thrlride]

I agree that if you had no problems for years and then switch to Oceanic and all of a sudden have problems that the salt is the #1 candidate. My comment was more to this:

Originally posted by Jus Reefin


Well I made the switch but have only done 2 WG about 15g each time. So far I have lost a Brain coral a very thriving growing Acan lord ( grew from 2 1/2 polyps to over 10+ polyps in 5 months) and almost lost Acan Echinata, It bleached and was showing skeleton. It looks to be coming back now. Needless to say I am not very happy at all and will be writing a letter to Oceanic to complain. ( more to make me feel good since I know they won't give a damn) Also lost 2 Acro frags

You didn't say a thing (IIRC) about losing corals on Oceanic, only when you switched BACK to IO but you blame Oceanic for the losses.

That's what I was commenting on. BTW, since I use oceanic I've read a lot about people having trouble.

FWIW, I've read when switching from Oceanic to IO (or any salt change) you should really go slow. Like do four parts old salt to one part new salt and then do small water changes slowly upping the dosage of new vs. old.

This is just a general question for anyone that may be educated on the subject:

Why would he suffer coral loss when switching salt? Is it a chemical reaction between the two salts or just the change of salt in general? If it is just a switch in salt does that mean if a LFS uses Oceanic and you have IO the coral will die?

Or is it the chemical reaction idea?

[impur]

There has to be some other things involved than just the salt. You touch on a good point in that not every LFS or wholesaler uses the same salts. But we do not lose the corals we buy from them even if going from one salt to the next.

[Jus Reefin]

FWIW my feelings are it has to do with the mixture of the different chemicals in the 2 salts. I have talked to a few people that have went from IO to Oceanic and had some coral loss. My main beef with Oceanic is the Algea problem not the Coral loss. I knew the risk involved when I switched back to IO

On a side note I have set up a 30g tank using IO and have placed several Algea Infested Rocks in that tank to see if it will die or if I will have the same problems. This will really help me to make a conclusion in my mind.

[Jacob D]

Rob - keep us updated on the progress of your main tank w/ the salt switch. I know it can be a pain with the direction these threads start to go in but I'd really like to know how your main tank is doing in the next month or two, and I hope there are no more losses.

[Jus Reefin]

I will deff. keep you updated Jacob

Peace

[Phillips]

impur said:

There has to be some other things involved than just the salt. You touch on a good point in that not every LFS or wholesaler uses the same salts. But we do not lose the corals we buy from them even if going from one salt to the next.

I think impur has a good point. There might be something else going on when people lose corals after a WC w/ a new salt mix.

Or maybe some companies aren't being up front w/ us about how long a new batch of ASW needs to sit & stabilize before it can be added to an established tank w/o adverse effects???

I changed to Oceanic from IO a few years ago after the IO became too harsh to add after dissolving completely (plus there was something nasty, white and insoluble in there) .

I like Oceanic because I can do a 15-20% water change within 10 minutes of dissolving the salt. If I ever need to do an emergency water change (like when something dies unexpectedly or I spill kalk in the tank after too many martinis) I like to have a salt mix on hand I can use within minutes.

[Sullivmw]

Originally posted by kite
You guys get ripped on salt. I pay 13 bucks for a bag the size of my dogs body. (golden retriever). The bag is about 20~lbs.

You only get 20lbs out of a bag the size of a golden retriever ?????????

[thrlride]

Small golden retriever.

[Sullivmw]

[Black71gp]

pretty sure i can get the 20 lbs bags for lik 9 bucks.. but we are talking about the big five+ gallon pales that make salt for like 160 or 200 gallons.. for 32 bucks for the IO 160 pal.. that works for me.. might wanna re check your salt prices...

[Black71gp]

stupid double post......ggggrrrr

[bevis28]

Why would he suffer coral loss when switching salt? Is it a chemical reaction between the two salts or just the change of salt in general? If it is just a switch in salt does that mean if a LFS uses Oceanic and you have IO the coral will die?

Or is it the chemical reaction idea?


I have been waiting for someone to ask and answer this question. so does anyone have any definitive answer as to why this occures. or is it just user mistakes / coincidence ?

[thrlride]

Originally posted by bevis28
Why would he suffer coral loss when switching salt? Is it a chemical reaction between the two salts or just the change of salt in general? If it is just a switch in salt does that mean if a LFS uses Oceanic and you have IO the coral will die?

Or is it the chemical reaction idea?


I have been waiting for someone to ask and answer this question. so does anyone have any definitive answer as to why this occures. or is it just user mistakes / coincidence ?

That raises a great question about LFS's using different salts. I have no idea why if all the important things we check for are spot on that some suffer losses anyway.

I guess that goes to show how little we know about these things.