uv... effectiveness?

EB847 · 01/25/2007, 11:31 PM

added one a week ago. algae is the same, ich is still trying to kill my fish(I know it's not a cure, but have heard others that have had success), water looks the same (although it was clear to begin with). Do they take a while to work?

funman1 · 01/25/2007, 11:49 PM

What wattage on what tank?
And What is the flow rate through the unit?

~Steve~

EB847 · 01/25/2007, 11:58 PM

Coral life turbo twist 9w, 160gph. (I know it's small in the opinion of many, but cost was an issue, so I went with the manufacturers recommendation) I do have a bit of a ghetto recirc mod as the input is near the output of the sump, and outputs where the tank water enters the sump. (so a percentage of the water in the sump goes through the uv twice before heading back to the tank) -further, the skimmer also gets the recirc. Should make more efficient no?

EB847 · 01/26/2007, 06:42 PM

bump

EB847 · 01/27/2007, 06:01 PM

bump ...anyone?

JmLee · 01/27/2007, 06:47 PM

I think the only time you will notice the change visually is when you have green water ( free floating algae ). I know for a fact that UV sterilizes water because back packers, campers, military etc etc use UV to sterilize water even thought it may not be the only means used.

tony13 · 01/27/2007, 09:24 PM

From what I've been reading the reason most people find them ineffective is because they undersize them. I have a 210 and the recommended by the "experts" for me would be 40w unit minimum. IMO a 9w unit is a waste of money, but that's why I don't have one yet cause there so expensive.

Tang Salad · 01/28/2007, 12:18 AM

It's best to have prefiltered water go through the UV. The cleaner the water that goes through it, the more effective it will be.

JmLee · 01/28/2007, 01:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tang Salad
It's best to have prefiltered water go through the UV. The cleaner the water that goes through it, the more effective it will be.

Absolutely correct. Its recommended to use the UV after some sort of mechanical filtration like a canister filter.

lsir · 01/28/2007, 02:00 AM

I have a coralife turbo twist 18w and now I love it. I was also having trouble with parasites and at first had no luck and more fish were getting infected. After reading up a little I found out that for a 18w unit you need 110 gph water flow, I had 230. After reducing the flow and adding a cleaner wrass my fish looked better in a day and a half. ith 4 days they all looked perfect. As for my water clarity, it might be my imagination but I think it looks clearer. EB847, I would put a T in and restrict your water flow at least in half if your pushing 160gph now.

EB847 · 01/28/2007, 02:08 AM

my uv is located in the last stage of the sump (after filter socks and skimmer). the manufacturer recommends 100-200 gph. it's good advice to tweak and see if there are any results. thx

jiggly75 · 01/28/2007, 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tony13
From what I've been reading the reason most people find them ineffective is because they undersize them. I have a 210 and the recommended by the "experts" for me would be 40w unit minimum. IMO a 9w unit is a waste of money, but that's why I don't have one yet cause there so expensive.

I agree, 9 watts is not enough.

EB847 · 01/28/2007, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jiggly75
I agree, 9 watts is not enough.

what are you basing this opinion on? wouldn't the manufacturer recommend the larger, more expensive units if they were necessary? (9w effective for up to 125g per the manuf)

JamesJR · 01/28/2007, 11:38 AM

I don't like UV sterilzers, from my experience they are about the most over rated piece of equipiment you could ever buy.

IME, if the fish are already sick (which is the most common scennario)
then theu don't do anything. They can help clear green water, though.

SDguy · 01/28/2007, 12:26 PM

Opinions on whether the UV will do what one expects is subjective. The fact remains that the proper dose of UV WILL kill things exposed to it, from algae and bacteria to larger organisms. Scientific fact here. Not opinion. Now, whether the tank has a properly sized unit that is correctly installed is another question. Furthermore, it's efficacy on an already ich infested tank is also questionable.

Here is the best info I've read on RC about UV's in a while.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...hlight=Uv+size

hth

FWIW, I think 9W is doing nothing on a 125g. I used a 15w on a 55g.

benray4fun · 01/28/2007, 12:27 PM

The 9w uv is fine as long as the water flow is within design
specifications. Installed after a mechanical filter as mentioned, also increases effectiveness.
Uv's will kill "free floating" algaes, parasites, viruses, bacteria, fungus spores and just about anything that passes through the uv...key word being pass through. The problem with ich is that they live in the gills of fish and on the substrate, so you have to treat all three...
-Treat the gills...copper or something less toxic if you have sensitive livestock in the tank.
- a sand sifting goby to clean the substrate
- the uv will clear up the rest and keep it clear

Also, whenever you pick up new fish, dump the water in the over flow so it has to pass through the uv. After a couple of months or so add a poly filter pad to remove the copper/meds out of the water and you should be fine.

Dubbin1 · 01/28/2007, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JamesJR
I don't like UV sterilzers, from my experience they are about the most over rated piece of equipiment you could ever buy.

I agree 100% BTW they will do nothing for the ich problem you are having.

steve70 · 01/28/2007, 12:47 PM

If you can slow the water flow rate going through the uv it has more contact. thus being alittle more effective. you may have to run it on its own pump. the lowest you can go enough to pump the the water through.

JmLee · 01/28/2007, 04:25 PM

I say if your looking for something to keep your tank clean then i would read up on Ozone.

JmLee · 01/28/2007, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dubbin1
I agree 100% BTW they will do nothing for the ich problem you are having.

I wouldn't say useless. Maybe over priced... If your using UV to eliminate things like protozoa or any free floating virus, bacteria etc etc. Then UV is def effective. But yeah... UV will not do anything to ICH.

useskaforevil · 01/28/2007, 04:33 PM

UV light will kill ich but it takes a huge dose. probably something the 9watt wouldnt be able to handle without the flow being too slow to counter act reproduction in the tank. at least not so you'd have instant results. if this is for the 120gallon tank i would doubt seeing results quickly if ever

JamesJR · 01/28/2007, 05:20 PM

I'm not denying that they don't kill what is coming through them just it is more difficult in practice to make them live up to their claims than it is on paper.

kfowler · 01/28/2007, 05:29 PM

I think the problem with UV is that too many people have over-hyped their ability. I look at UV as a useful tool for the right situation. IMO, they are not a cure for Ich or a substitute for proper QT practice. I would consider using one in conjuction with a QT tank but that's about it.

BTW, I would also lump ozone in this same category.

Side note - great to see other guitarist around here.

Dubbin1 · 01/28/2007, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JmLee
I wouldn't say useless. Maybe over priced... If your using UV to eliminate things like protozoa or any free floating virus, bacteria etc etc. Then UV is def effective. But yeah... UV will not do anything to ICH.

Unless you can get EVERY BIT of water to go through them then they are useless. I had one at one time (plenty big enough) and it did NOTHING for the water quality.

01/25/2007, 11:31 PM	#1
EB847 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 146	uv... effectiveness? added one a week ago. algae is the same, ich is still trying to kill my fish(I know it's not a cure, but have heard others that have had success), water looks the same (although it was clear to begin with). Do they take a while to work?

01/25/2007, 11:49 PM	#2
funman1 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Roseville, CA Posts: 4,898	What wattage on what tank? And What is the flow rate through the unit? ~Steve~ __________________ Professional Pyro: NO REALLY; I get PAID to blow stuff up!! ~Steve~ Current Tank Info: 12G NANO

01/28/2007, 12:18 AM	#8
Tang Salad Algae skeptic Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: 78702 Posts: 3,098	It's best to have prefiltered water go through the UV. The cleaner the water that goes through it, the more effective it will be. __________________ Your algae is not special. Current Tank Info: TBD ADA 120-P SPS NLPS

01/28/2007, 02:00 AM	#10
lsir Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Racine Wisconsin Posts: 176	I have a coralife turbo twist 18w and now I love it. I was also having trouble with parasites and at first had no luck and more fish were getting infected. After reading up a little I found out that for a 18w unit you need 110 gph water flow, I had 230. After reducing the flow and adding a cleaner wrass my fish looked better in a day and a half. ith 4 days they all looked perfect. As for my water clarity, it might be my imagination but I think it looks clearer. EB847, I would put a T in and restrict your water flow at least in half if your pushing 160gph now. __________________ Lee Current Tank Info: 120 AGA drilled DYI sump w/refuge, Turboflotor skimmer

01/28/2007, 11:38 AM	#14
JamesJR Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 2,733	I don't like UV sterilzers, from my experience they are about the most over rated piece of equipiment you could ever buy. IME, if the fish are already sick (which is the most common scennario) then theu don't do anything. They can help clear green water, though. __________________ Just when I thought you couldn't be any dumber you go and do something like this....And totally redeem yourself! Current Tank Info: 20 gallon

01/25/2007, 11:58 PM	#3
EB847 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 146	Coral life turbo twist 9w, 160gph. (I know it's small in the opinion of many, but cost was an issue, so I went with the manufacturers recommendation) I do have a bit of a ghetto recirc mod as the input is near the output of the sump, and outputs where the tank water enters the sump. (so a percentage of the water in the sump goes through the uv twice before heading back to the tank) -further, the skimmer also gets the recirc. Should make more efficient no?

01/26/2007, 06:42 PM	#4
EB847 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 146	bump

01/27/2007, 06:01 PM	#5
EB847 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 146	bump ...anyone?

01/27/2007, 06:47 PM	#6
JmLee Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Hohensfels, Germany Posts: 1,545	I think the only time you will notice the change visually is when you have green water ( free floating algae ). I know for a fact that UV sterilizes water because back packers, campers, military etc etc use UV to sterilize water even thought it may not be the only means used.

01/27/2007, 09:24 PM	#7
tony13 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 588	From what I've been reading the reason most people find them ineffective is because they undersize them. I have a 210 and the recommended by the "experts" for me would be 40w unit minimum. IMO a 9w unit is a waste of money, but that's why I don't have one yet cause there so expensive.

01/28/2007, 02:08 AM	#11
EB847 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 146	my uv is located in the last stage of the sump (after filter socks and skimmer). the manufacturer recommends 100-200 gph. it's good advice to tweak and see if there are any results. thx

01/28/2007, 12:26 PM	#15
SDguy Fish heads unite! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: San Diego Posts: 23,384	Opinions on whether the UV will do what one expects is subjective. The fact remains that the proper dose of UV WILL kill things exposed to it, from algae and bacteria to larger organisms. Scientific fact here. Not opinion. Now, whether the tank has a properly sized unit that is correctly installed is another question. Furthermore, it's efficacy on an already ich infested tank is also questionable. Here is the best info I've read on RC about UV's in a while. http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...hlight=Uv+size hth FWIW, I think 9W is doing nothing on a 125g. I used a 15w on a 55g. __________________ Peter SDMAS member Marine tanks since 1989. ><((((º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><((((º> ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><((((º> Current Tank Info: 240g butterfly and angel FOWLR. 15g QT.

01/28/2007, 12:27 PM	#16
benray4fun Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Hartford, CONNECTICUT Posts: 1,147	The 9w uv is fine as long as the water flow is within design specifications. Installed after a mechanical filter as mentioned, also increases effectiveness. Uv's will kill "free floating" algaes, parasites, viruses, bacteria, fungus spores and just about anything that passes through the uv...key word being pass through. The problem with ich is that they live in the gills of fish and on the substrate, so you have to treat all three... -Treat the gills...copper or something less toxic if you have sensitive livestock in the tank. - a sand sifting goby to clean the substrate - the uv will clear up the rest and keep it clear Also, whenever you pick up new fish, dump the water in the over flow so it has to pass through the uv. After a couple of months or so add a poly filter pad to remove the copper/meds out of the water and you should be fine.

01/28/2007, 12:47 PM	#18
steve70 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Williamsburg, VA. USA Posts: 165	If you can slow the water flow rate going through the uv it has more contact. thus being alittle more effective. you may have to run it on its own pump. the lowest you can go enough to pump the the water through. __________________ I have a vision, and now I am broke! You are water keeping not occupant keeping! _____________________ Steve Current Tank Info: 55 gallon w/216w t5 Nova extreme lights 10gal sump/refugium. 2 Koralia #2's & 1 #1

01/28/2007, 04:25 PM	#19
JmLee Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Hohensfels, Germany Posts: 1,545	I say if your looking for something to keep your tank clean then i would read up on Ozone.

01/28/2007, 04:33 PM	#21
useskaforevil Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: kent, ohio Posts: 1,012	UV light will kill ich but it takes a huge dose. probably something the 9watt wouldnt be able to handle without the flow being too slow to counter act reproduction in the tank. at least not so you'd have instant results. if this is for the 120gallon tank i would doubt seeing results quickly if ever __________________ "and the delicate mechanism stripped its gears" Current Tank Info: 80gallon bowfront

01/28/2007, 05:20 PM	#22
JamesJR Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 2,733	I'm not denying that they don't kill what is coming through them just it is more difficult in practice to make them live up to their claims than it is on paper. __________________ Just when I thought you couldn't be any dumber you go and do something like this....And totally redeem yourself! Current Tank Info: 20 gallon

01/28/2007, 05:29 PM	#23
kfowler Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,095	I think the problem with UV is that too many people have over-hyped their ability. I look at UV as a useful tool for the right situation. IMO, they are not a cure for Ich or a substitute for proper QT practice. I would consider using one in conjuction with a QT tank but that's about it. BTW, I would also lump ozone in this same category. Side note - great to see other guitarist around here. __________________ Kevin "You cannot achieve what you are not willing to pursue." Current Tank Info: 20g Mixed Reef