Euroreef 6-2 vs ASM G4+

[hipertec]

I have an opportunity to do a trade from my current Euroreef 6-2+ (with a Sendra 5000) for a ASM G4+ (larger overall with the Sendra 9000)

My ER is performing very well and I like the build quality of the ER, but the ASM is so much bigger and rated at a higher capacity.

So should I trade and getting a bigger skimmer with a larger pump or stick to the smaller ER with a better built quality?

[steveoutlaw]

Absolutely not. ER outperforms ASM hands down. ASM also grossly overrates their skimmers while ER underrates theirs a bit. If you're looking to get a little more kick out of your ER why don't you consider the recirc mod?

[Reefmaniac1]

Originally posted by steveoutlaw
Absolutely not. ER outperforms ASM hands down. ASM also grossly overrates their skimmers while ER underrates theirs a bit. If you're looking to get a little more kick out of your ER why don't you consider the recirc mod?

Let's not be too hasty here. On a size-to-size comparison, the ERs probably do out compete the ASM. But, keep in mind the ASM was originally co-designed by ER to be their "budget" skimmer. It uses the same technology and same pump, same impeller (at least, until recently). So making the claim that an old-style ER 6-2 is going to out perform an ASM G-4 (that's larger and has a bigger pump) isn't going to float.

[jmccown]

I don't know much about the ER's, but my G4X is awesome.

[TandN]

show some pics of them

[hipertec]

well, the specs are:
EuroReef 6-2+
24" high with 6" diameter
Sendra 5000 pump
higher quality acrylic built
nice union to remove cup

ASM G4x
30" high with 8" diameter
Sendra 9000 pump
lower quality acrylic built
cheap union to remove cup

Now the ASM has a 6" height and 2" increase in diameter over the ER and a Sendra 9000 pump.

Now would this make a huge difference in performace?

[David Grigor]

It will certainly make a huge difference in upgradablity. You can easily throw another pump on the ASM with it being the larger diameter.

Both skimmers in discussion will benefit greatly with the meshwheel modification.

I have two euroreef skimmers and a asm. I honestly could care less on the materials used or the collection cup connections. Both work fine don't really see either of those as major issue. The sheer performance and upgradeability is what should really matter the most.

[A sea K]

Originally posted by hipertec
well, the specs are:
EuroReef 6-2+
24" high with 6" diameter
Sendra 5000 pump
higher quality acrylic built
nice union to remove cup

ASM G4x
30" high with 8" diameter
Sendra 9000 pump
lower quality acrylic built
cheap union to remove cup

Now the ASM has a 6" height and 2" increase in diameter over the ER and a Sendra 9000 pump.

Now would this make a huge difference in performace?

hipertec, When I spoke to you last night I was under the impression you were talking about ASM G4+ not the G4x.
FYI the G4+ is 8" body and 24" tall w/sedra9000.
The G4x is 30" tall w/ same diameter and pump.
This is a big enough difference to have an impact on your decision.

I'll talk to you next week, Chris

[kodyboy]

The asm is the better skimmer of the two.

[RichConley]

Originally posted by steveoutlaw
Absolutely not. ER outperforms ASM hands down. ASM also grossly overrates their skimmers while ER underrates theirs a bit. If you're looking to get a little more kick out of your ER why don't you consider the recirc mod?

Not the older ER skimmers. The G4x will wip a 6-2. The G4x vs an RS135 on the other hand....

[flyyyguy]

I have both of the skimmers discussed here. The ER i run on my 90 and my g4+ i run on my 225.

Pound for pound they are the same fricken skimmer. This comparison is of course NOT pound for pound though is it??



The ER simply is made out of higher quality plastic and the design as far as cup removal is far better.

As far as if the trade is monetarily in your favor........no

But the bigger skimmer will pull more stuff out...guarantee it

[hipertec]

Originally posted by A sea K
hipertec, When I spoke to you last night I was under the impression you were talking about ASM G4+ not the G4x.
FYI the G4+ is 8" body and 24" tall w/sedra9000.
The G4x is 30" tall w/ same diameter and pump.
This is a big enough difference to have an impact on your decision.

I'll talk to you next week, Chris

Hi Chris,
Yes, just found out that its the 30" skimmer thus being a G4x.

So guess the final says is to trade then huh? since its a bigger diameter and taller at 30"

any other opinions?

[Reefmaniac1]

I'd take the trade.

[A sea K]

I'd take the trade also. It is a much larger skimmer and capable of handling a LOT more bio load if your willing to do some mods.

[markandkristen]

i would as well. they only question i have is the volute ( which may be neither here nor thier) are they the same on a er as a asm.
i run a 6-3 euroreef and a jeffs exotic 6-2 + ( 28" ) tall
they both have the 5000 pumps in fact the one on my jeffs exotic is a Euro reef pump. they skim pretty much neck to neck. i did do the recirculating mod on the euroreef. so that might have helped as well.

but i would like to know the scientific evedence as far as skimming differentiation (sp) from acrylic to the stuff asm is made out of .

same pump ... same needle wheel... same volute ( not sure on that one).... same size. how would they be able to skimm differently....

in your case the 30 inch heighth is a plus >> more contact time.... according to what i have read on here (reef central) ..

were not playing football with these skimmers... all we do is emptly the collection cup every 3 days to a week or like me i have it plumbed into a five gallon bucket. ..
i clean mine maybe once a year.... since i have the sock filter so the sump stays pretty clean. so your really only touching the body twice a year if that

[Reefmaniac1]

Originally posted by markandkristen
[B]but i would like to know the scientific evedence as far as skimming differentiation (sp) from acrylic to the stuff asm is made out of .

same pump ... same needle wheel... same volute ( not sure on that one).... same size. how would they be able to skimm differently.... [B]

Unless you're using a material that affect water surface tension, then there's not going to be a difference made by the body of the skimmer. Extruded PVC (ASM) and Acrylic are both going to work fine. The only difference is how many pieces you end up with if you drop it (extruded PVC will tend to shatter). So given the same dimensions, pump size, same impeller, etc, they will both be about equal.

[markandkristen]

Originally posted by Reefmaniac1
Unless you're using a material that affect water surface tension, then there's not going to be a difference made by the body of the skimmer. Extruded PVC (ASM) and Acrylic are both going to work fine. The only difference is how many pieces you end up with if you drop it (extruded PVC will tend to shatter). So given the same dimensions, pump size, same impeller, etc, they will both be about equal.

thats pretty much what i thought. i really couldnt see why thier would be a difference