Emergency!!!! - Stung By Rabbitfish - Page 2

magdelan · 06/30/2007, 01:12 AM

Reefallen- hopefully, you and your husband are at the ER. WIth symptoms, treatment is crusial.

Good luck.

Ryanqk · 06/30/2007, 01:20 AM

Hope all is ok, let us know as soon as you get a chance!

virginiadiver69 · 06/30/2007, 06:54 AM

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Originally posted by Icefire
If the familly doctor said nothing...

I would go to clean the wound, but here ER is free here, with 8-12 hours of waiting.

Gotta love socialized medicine.

jacmyoung · 06/30/2007, 10:00 AM

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Originally posted by virginiadiver69
Gotta love socialized medicine.

I am not sure if any ERs today are government owned.

I know socialized medicine can cause delay but our crowded ERs are the result of troubled "market driven" medicine. Our local ERs are overwhelmed by uninsured patients using ER as their regular care that the insured patients have to wait in line. You can try to avoid ER as much as you can but sometimes when the regular office is closed there is no choice but go there and wait.

I hope he is alright. I am certainly looking at my rabbitfish in a different light now.

Grins · 06/30/2007, 10:33 AM

I sure hope you convinced him to get medical care for this.

JPagliai · 06/30/2007, 10:39 AM

Sounds like anaphylactic shock. I hope he made it to the ER last night. If he plans on keeping poisonous fish in the tank from now on, he may need to keep an epi-pen close at hand. Hopefully, he's seen a doctor and has one now.

reefallen · 06/30/2007, 11:39 AM

Thank you to everyone for their concern and advice!!! I was unable to get him to go to the ER. However, I wakened him every hour last night. (which he wasn't happy about). But, I told him that if he went to ER to get it checked out we wouldn't have to be worrying about this. I did threaten to call 911, but as he wasn't really having symptoms anymore and was refusing to be transported, I didn't figure it would help.

I do have an Epi-Pen here as I have several anaphylactic allergies myself. At no time did I observe him having any of those symptoms. I would not have hesitated to use it and call 911 if I did.

I did talk with Poison control a total of 3 times. They were excellent about checking on him. They felt that he may have had an allergic reaction to the venom and that the worse "may" be over. I still am keeping a close eye on his stings to make sure he doesn't get a secondary infection.

Thank you for all your prayers and kind wishes. I truly wish he was not so stubborn (or ignorant). It would have truly helped in this situation.

If anything changes, I'll keep you posted! Thanks again!

JPagliai · 06/30/2007, 12:23 PM

I'm glad hubby is feeling a bit better this morning. Hopefully, the worst of his reactions are over. Tell him he's very stubborn and very lucky!

reefallen · 06/30/2007, 12:35 PM

Thank you for your kind words and understanding!!! He IS VERY lucky and stubborn (perhaps stupid?) as well!!

I am just very thankful that so far, we have not had any major problems. I just pray that it continues and he is out of the woods and will not contract any infection from the incident.

flinster · 06/30/2007, 12:46 PM

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Originally posted by jacmyoung
I am not sure if any ERs today are government owned.

I know socialized medicine can cause delay but our crowded ERs are the result of troubled "market driven" medicine. Our local ERs are overwhelmed by uninsured patients using ER as their regular care that the insured patients have to wait in line. You can try to avoid ER as much as you can but sometimes when the regular office is closed there is no choice but go there and wait.

I hope he is alright. I am certainly looking at my rabbitfish in a different light now.

The person saying the wait was several hours is from Canada.

virginiadiver69 · 06/30/2007, 01:13 PM

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Originally posted by jacmyoung

I know socialized medicine can cause delay but our crowded ERs are the result of troubled "market driven" medicine. Our local ERs are overwhelmed by uninsured patients using ER as their regular care that the insured patients have to wait in line. You can try to avoid ER as much as you can but sometimes when the regular office is closed there is no choice but go there and wait.

You definitely have some valid points but if you think socialized medicine is the cure, go visit the D.M.V.

Back to the point...I'm glad everything seems to have turned out okay. I added a Rabbitfish and I definitely account for his whereabouts before putting my hands in the water.

jacmyoung · 06/30/2007, 01:59 PM

I am glad he is alright. From my own experience, don't let his stubbornness ever stop you from calling 911 again. My father was the same, one night he felt numb but refused my mom to call 911 until the next morning. He is now paralyzed from the stroke. Had he got the care in time he could have been walking still and my mom would have had a much easier time. It is actually doing yourself a favor if not for him.

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Originally posted by flinster
The person saying the wait was several hours is from Canada.

I missed that part. The wait at our local ERs are easily many hours unless you are half dead.

As far as the DMV, I have not had to wait in line for many years, all you have to do is call for an appointment or use the online functions.

Now our post office is another story.

But don't even get me started with air travel these days!

UrbanSage · 06/30/2007, 03:10 PM

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Originally posted by virginiadiver69
but if you think socialized medicine is the cure, go visit the D.M.V.

What an absolutely horrible analogy. I grew up with socialized medicine in Denmark and the DMV is nothing like it.

Socialized medicine results in you being able to call an ambulance because of a broken arm, get treatment right away and walk out not paying a cent.

James77 · 06/30/2007, 03:45 PM

What an absolutely horrible analogy. I grew up with socialized medicine in Denmark and the DMV is nothing like it.

Socialized medicine results in you being able to call an ambulance because of a broken arm, get treatment right away and walk out not paying a cent. [/QUOTE]

Someone has to pay for it-

UrbanSage · 06/30/2007, 05:16 PM

I said "walk out not paying a cent"
Not that it isn't paid for.

virginiadiver69 · 06/30/2007, 05:42 PM

Then who pays for it?

UrbanSage · 06/30/2007, 06:04 PM

Tax payers/everyone.

Mark426 · 06/30/2007, 06:21 PM

Lets see...You break your arm and I pay for it....sounds perfect to me.

Glad rabbit man is ok...best wishes

Mark

p.s. note to self...dont get a rabbit fish

c.rob · 06/30/2007, 06:26 PM

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p.s. note to self...dont get a rabbit fish

virginiadiver69 · 06/30/2007, 06:34 PM

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Originally posted by UrbanSage
Tax payers/everyone.

Sounds like a prescription for mediocrity to me.

I prefer to pay for my own bills, thank yo very much.

Besides...I have never broken a bone or spent the night in a hospital, why would I want to contribute to your hospital visit? I don't know who you are and therefor do not care a wit what happens to you.

FloatingFish · 06/30/2007, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by virginiadiver69
Sounds like a prescription for mediocrity to me.

I prefer to pay for my own bills, thank yo very much.

Besides...I have never broken a bone or spent the night in a hospital, why would I want to contribute to your hospital visit? I don't know who you are and therefor do not care a wit what happens to you.

I feel the same way about schools.

You want to have kids. You pay to educate them.

virginiadiver69 · 06/30/2007, 08:58 PM

I'm guessing you don't have kids.
I agree though.

jacmyoung · 06/30/2007, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by virginiadiver69
Sounds like a prescription for mediocrity to me.

I prefer to pay for my own bills, thank yo very much.

Besides...I have never broken a bone or spent the night in a hospital, why would I want to contribute to your hospital visit? I don't know who you are and therefor do not care a wit what happens to you.

So how do you pay for your own hospital bills if you have to go through a major surgery?

virginiadiver69 · 06/30/2007, 09:47 PM

I have what's called priorities. A portion of my family income is put away into an investment account for emergencies. So far (knock on wood) this has not been an issue. If/when it does become an issue I will not be beholden to a government agency or an insurance company. Oh...and by the way, I and my family of four are part of the 40+ million that do not have private health insurance(by choice). Another 10-12 million receive blue cross/blue shield, approx. 7 million are 18-24 years old and see themselves as invincible and have their own priorities that preclude them from buying private insurance. Also, keep in mind that when an employee moves from one job to another and has a laps in employer supplied insurance, even for a matter of a month or so they are included in the much hyped "40 million".

jacmyoung · 06/30/2007, 10:32 PM

To say that the 40+ million have no insurance by choice is really over stating how many people are in your mind set, all you have to think is what is the saving rate in the US. Which leads me to think you might be overly confident with your own availability to cover major hospital bills that can go into tens of thousands for just a few days of stay.

The sad truth is we all end up paying for people like you because hospitals can not refuse to treat the uninsured and when people can not pay the bills they file for bankruptcy, and we insurance payers and often tax money will end up bailing you out.

Yet we are constantly being mock by people like you for supporting the system.

06/30/2007, 01:12 AM	#26
magdelan Fish? Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Gananda, NY Posts: 3,785	Reefallen- hopefully, you and your husband are at the ER. WIth symptoms, treatment is crusial. Good luck. __________________ "Excuses are the tools of the weak and incompetent, used to build monuments of nothingness. Those who specialize in them, are seldom capable of anything else."

06/30/2007, 01:20 AM	#27
Ryanqk Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Posts: 1,381	Hope all is ok, let us know as soon as you get a chance! __________________ MOM! I'm God Of The Sea People! Behold my tiny minions gloveling at my likeness! Current Tank Info: 75gl display, 20gl long fuge, CPR overflow, Octopuss NW150 skimmer, 4 x 110w VHO T12's and supplemental actinic, ongoing projects...

06/30/2007, 10:33 AM	#30
Grins Registered Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 735	I sure hope you convinced him to get medical care for this. __________________ R.A.S.O.C. : Reef Aquarium Society of Charlotte Current Tank Info: 55g mixed reef

06/30/2007, 10:39 AM	#31
JPagliai Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Round Lake Beach, IL Posts: 673	Sounds like anaphylactic shock. I hope he made it to the ER last night. If he plans on keeping poisonous fish in the tank from now on, he may need to keep an epi-pen close at hand. Hopefully, he's seen a doctor and has one now. __________________ --Jane Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough to make them all yourself. - Eleanor Roosevelt Current Tank Info: 60 gal cube w/AI LED

06/30/2007, 11:39 AM	#32
reefallen Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dublin, OH Posts: 174	Thank you to everyone for their concern and advice!!! I was unable to get him to go to the ER. However, I wakened him every hour last night. (which he wasn't happy about). But, I told him that if he went to ER to get it checked out we wouldn't have to be worrying about this. I did threaten to call 911, but as he wasn't really having symptoms anymore and was refusing to be transported, I didn't figure it would help. I do have an Epi-Pen here as I have several anaphylactic allergies myself. At no time did I observe him having any of those symptoms. I would not have hesitated to use it and call 911 if I did. I did talk with Poison control a total of 3 times. They were excellent about checking on him. They felt that he may have had an allergic reaction to the venom and that the worse "may" be over. I still am keeping a close eye on his stings to make sure he doesn't get a secondary infection. Thank you for all your prayers and kind wishes. I truly wish he was not so stubborn (or ignorant). It would have truly helped in this situation. If anything changes, I'll keep you posted! Thanks again! __________________ Todd at ReefAllen Current Tank Info: 75g fish only; 210 g reef; Euro250 x 2; chiller; 250MH x 5

06/30/2007, 12:23 PM	#33
JPagliai Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Round Lake Beach, IL Posts: 673	I'm glad hubby is feeling a bit better this morning. Hopefully, the worst of his reactions are over. Tell him he's very stubborn and very lucky! __________________ --Jane Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough to make them all yourself. - Eleanor Roosevelt Current Tank Info: 60 gal cube w/AI LED

06/30/2007, 12:35 PM	#34
reefallen Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dublin, OH Posts: 174	Thank you for your kind words and understanding!!! He IS VERY lucky and stubborn (perhaps stupid?) as well!! I am just very thankful that so far, we have not had any major problems. I just pray that it continues and he is out of the woods and will not contract any infection from the incident. __________________ Todd at ReefAllen Current Tank Info: 75g fish only; 210 g reef; Euro250 x 2; chiller; 250MH x 5

06/30/2007, 03:45 PM	#39
James77 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 8,158	What an absolutely horrible analogy. I grew up with socialized medicine in Denmark and the DMV is nothing like it. Socialized medicine results in you being able to call an ambulance because of a broken arm, get treatment right away and walk out not paying a cent. [/QUOTE] Someone has to pay for it-

06/30/2007, 05:16 PM	#40
UrbanSage Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tea, SD Posts: 1,657	I said "walk out not paying a cent" Not that it isn't paid for. __________________ You can't control the wind, but you can adjust your sails. Current Tank Info: 270 gallon reef.

06/30/2007, 05:42 PM	#41
virginiadiver69 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Va. Posts: 4,400	Then who pays for it? __________________ Semi-aggressive mixed reef w/ shallow sand bed 96x30x27 310gal custom acrylic w/ ext. "fail safe" overflow 125gal sump/cryptic fuge w/ 6" DSB 3 400w Plus Rite 20k MH in Lumembrights 2 250w Plus Rite 20k MH in spider reflectors VHO actinic supplementation 2 Tunze wave boxes 2 Tunze 6060 in Tunze Rocks 2 Tunze 6125 Reeflo 250 skimmer Hammerhead return on OM 4 way Aqua controller lll Leviton power panel Deltec Eco-Cooler Randy's Two part 6.5 kw generator

06/30/2007, 06:04 PM	#42
UrbanSage Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tea, SD Posts: 1,657	Tax payers/everyone. __________________ You can't control the wind, but you can adjust your sails. Current Tank Info: 270 gallon reef.

06/30/2007, 06:21 PM	#43
Mark426 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: South Carolina Posts: 2,479	Lets see...You break your arm and I pay for it....sounds perfect to me. Glad rabbit man is ok...best wishes Mark p.s. note to self...dont get a rabbit fish

06/30/2007, 08:58 PM	#47
virginiadiver69 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Va. Posts: 4,400	I'm guessing you don't have kids. I agree though. __________________ Semi-aggressive mixed reef w/ shallow sand bed 96x30x27 310gal custom acrylic w/ ext. "fail safe" overflow 125gal sump/cryptic fuge w/ 6" DSB 3 400w Plus Rite 20k MH in Lumembrights 2 250w Plus Rite 20k MH in spider reflectors VHO actinic supplementation 2 Tunze wave boxes 2 Tunze 6060 in Tunze Rocks 2 Tunze 6125 Reeflo 250 skimmer Hammerhead return on OM 4 way Aqua controller lll Leviton power panel Deltec Eco-Cooler Randy's Two part 6.5 kw generator

06/30/2007, 09:47 PM	#49
virginiadiver69 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Va. Posts: 4,400	I have what's called priorities. A portion of my family income is put away into an investment account for emergencies. So far (knock on wood) this has not been an issue. If/when it does become an issue I will not be beholden to a government agency or an insurance company. Oh...and by the way, I and my family of four are part of the 40+ million that do not have private health insurance(by choice). Another 10-12 million receive blue cross/blue shield, approx. 7 million are 18-24 years old and see themselves as invincible and have their own priorities that preclude them from buying private insurance. Also, keep in mind that when an employee moves from one job to another and has a laps in employer supplied insurance, even for a matter of a month or so they are included in the much hyped "40 million". __________________ Semi-aggressive mixed reef w/ shallow sand bed 96x30x27 310gal custom acrylic w/ ext. "fail safe" overflow 125gal sump/cryptic fuge w/ 6" DSB 3 400w Plus Rite 20k MH in Lumembrights 2 250w Plus Rite 20k MH in spider reflectors VHO actinic supplementation 2 Tunze wave boxes 2 Tunze 6060 in Tunze Rocks 2 Tunze 6125 Reeflo 250 skimmer Hammerhead return on OM 4 way Aqua controller lll Leviton power panel Deltec Eco-Cooler Randy's Two part 6.5 kw generator

06/30/2007, 10:32 PM	#50
jacmyoung Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 1,421	To say that the 40+ million have no insurance by choice is really over stating how many people are in your mind set, all you have to think is what is the saving rate in the US. Which leads me to think you might be overly confident with your own availability to cover major hospital bills that can go into tens of thousands for just a few days of stay. The sad truth is we all end up paying for people like you because hospitals can not refuse to treat the uninsured and when people can not pay the bills they file for bankruptcy, and we insurance payers and often tax money will end up bailing you out. Yet we are constantly being mock by people like you for supporting the system.