sea turtles - Page 2

Travis L. Stevens · 07/18/2007, 02:29 PM

The last time some one asked this.....

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...ht=sea+turtles

Musho3210 · 07/18/2007, 02:51 PM

Why would you want an animal that was endangered in the first place? Even if it was legal to get....

returnofsid · 07/18/2007, 02:56 PM

Okay, just a quick correction of 2 of the early posts....Sea Turtles are NOT Mammals...NOR are they Reptiles. They're Amphibians. Yes, illegal...lol.

Travis L. Stevens · 07/18/2007, 03:01 PM

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Originally posted by returnofsid
Okay, just a quick correction of 2 of the early posts....Sea Turtles are NOT Mammals...NOR are they Reptiles. They're Amphibians. Yes, illegal...lol.

Actually, they are Reptiles. Reptiles consist of Lizards, Turtles, and Snakes. Amphibians consist of Frogs, Toads, Newts, Salamanders, and the like.

HBtank · 07/18/2007, 03:03 PM

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Originally posted by returnofsid
Okay, just a quick correction of 2 of the early posts....Sea Turtles are NOT Mammals...NOR are they Reptiles. They're Amphibians. Yes, illegal...lol.

Archmagev · 07/18/2007, 03:25 PM

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Originally posted by returnofsid
Okay, just a quick correction of 2 of the early posts....Sea Turtles are NOT Mammals...NOR are they Reptiles. They're Amphibians. Yes, illegal...lol.

Dude, c'mon....do you know what an Amphibian is???

Actually what confused you was that they lay their eggs on land then return to the sea. Other marine reptiles also do this (Sea Snakes come to mind) because they need to breathe air!
Amphibians at birth are water breathing and then develop their lungs as they mature and most become land based (some remain in the water, but still breathe air once they mature). They also don't have scales, but have skin (slimy, but still skin).

Sea Turtles are from the class Reptilia which also includes snakes, lizards, crocodiles etc.....scaly, air breathing, cold blooded, 3 chambered hearts and egg-laying.
There is an old class of sea turtles called Amphichelydia, but they are all extinct and yes, despite similarities in name they were reptiles also....

mhltcob · 07/18/2007, 04:07 PM

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Originally posted by mr_o98
Sea turtles, in my opinion, should not be in captivity due to their migration, and reproduction. They are extremly beautiful creatures that should be left in the wild. Public aquariums cannot provide the turtle with ample room to swim let alone a home aquarium.

The ones you see at public aquariums are rehab animals that are
a) going to be released back into the wild when they are fit or
B)will never be fit to go back into the wild

Considering the choices are euthanasia or keeping the animal to educate the public, I am glad aquariums take the time to make use out of animals that are essentially "dead" to the wild population.

What makes you think public aquariums don't have enough room for a sea turtle? Did the sea turtles tell you they were unhappy? Are you a vet who examined sea turtles in captivity to determine that they were not given ample swimming room for health reasons?

hankthetank · 07/18/2007, 04:08 PM

What % of newly hatched sea turtles make it into the ocean?And what % of those survive to say 1' in size.It would seem beneficial to the species to raid nests,raise the young to a nice size and release them.But not beneficial to the people involved....sick!

mhltcob · 07/18/2007, 04:14 PM

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Originally posted by returnofsid
Okay, just a quick correction of 2 of the early posts....Sea Turtles are NOT Mammals...NOR are they Reptiles. They're Amphibians. Yes, illegal...lol.

Can you give us your definition of reptiles and amphibians, because I believe it differs from that of the scientific community's.

Musho3210 · 07/18/2007, 04:25 PM

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Originally posted by mhltcob
The ones you see at public aquariums are rehab animals that are
a) going to be released back into the wild when they are fit or
B)will never be fit to go back into the wild

Considering the choices are euthanasia or keeping the animal to educate the public, I am glad aquariums take the time to make use out of animals that are essentially "dead" to the wild population.

What makes you think public aquariums don't have enough room for a sea turtle? Did the sea turtles tell you they were unhappy? Are you a vet who examined sea turtles in captivity to determine that they were not given ample swimming room for health reasons?

yay lets fill up our pico tanks with eels, sailfin tangs, and sharks! I mean they dont tell us there unhappy....

mhltcob · 07/18/2007, 04:29 PM

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Originally posted by mr.maroonsalty
Only one sea turtle I know of is listed as an endangered species is the Lagerhead, but I may be wrong. All are protected by most goverments.

All 6 species occuring in U.S. waters are listed and protected under the endangered species act of 1973. The loggerhead is actually one of the most "abundant" and is listed as threatened. All others are endangered in at least part of their range.

mhltcob · 07/18/2007, 04:36 PM

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Originally posted by Musho3210
yay lets fill up our pico tanks with eels, sailfin tangs, and sharks! I mean they dont tell us there unhappy....

Why don't you tell me how you determine if an animal is morally acceptable to keep in captivity? Do reptiles and fish get happy or sad? I think the way most sane people determine this is whether the animal will be healthy under captive conditions. If you can keep those fishes healthy in a pico, go for it. Most of us understand that that it wouldn't be possible to keep the animals healthy under those conditions, and therefore wouldn't choose to subject them to it.

mhltcob · 07/18/2007, 04:46 PM

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Originally posted by MikePowell
couldn't i just keep one for a while and give it a scientist or something? or would that be morally worng in some way?

Why should you be allowed to keep one? Why should a normal hobbyist be given permits to maintain them? When raised for release they are not treated as "pets" in which you hand feed and baby them. They must be raised in a way in which they will have a chance to survive upon release.

HBtank · 07/18/2007, 04:50 PM

Lol at sea turtle threads.

mhltcob · 07/18/2007, 04:56 PM

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Originally posted by hankthetank
What % of newly hatched sea turtles make it into the ocean?And what % of those survive to say 1' in size.It would seem beneficial to the species to raid nests,raise the young to a nice size and release them.But not beneficial to the people involved....sick!

There are research facilities that do just that. The odds of a young sea turtle making it to adult hood is very slim. However, it has always been slim, hence the relatively high fecundity strategy. Remember that selection is typically a healthy componant of populations and eliminating it can damage a population genetically. It is more important to eliminate the many anthropogenic factors that are destroying breeding grounds and killing adults (breeding population) by the thousands.

HBtank · 07/18/2007, 05:00 PM

Not to mention robbing a poor seagull of its breakfast on hatching day...

Cantonesefish · 07/18/2007, 05:37 PM

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Originally posted by MikePowell
couldn't i just keep one for a while and give it a scientist or something?

Don't give scientists to your pets... they have feelings too

07/18/2007, 02:29 PM	#26
Travis L. Stevens Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Perry, OK Posts: 13,946	The last time some one asked this..... http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...ht=sea+turtles __________________ Travis Stevens Current Tank Info: Restarting 28g Bowfront

07/18/2007, 02:51 PM	#27
Musho3210 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Evanston IL (near chicago) Posts: 1,899	Why would you want an animal that was endangered in the first place? Even if it was legal to get.... __________________ Ryan

07/18/2007, 04:50 PM	#39
HBtank Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Huntington Beach, CA Posts: 2,957	Lol at sea turtle threads. __________________ 80g Aiptasia dominated reef tank.. with fish and now a bunch of berghia! Current Tank Info: 80g tank, re-starting a reef after a zoanthid nudibranch plauge, followed by months of steady and unstoppable STN/RTN, crashed; stayed FOWLR for a couple years, currently an aiptasia dominated reef tank with fishies and BERGHIA

07/18/2007, 05:00 PM	#41
HBtank Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Huntington Beach, CA Posts: 2,957	Not to mention robbing a poor seagull of its breakfast on hatching day... __________________ 80g Aiptasia dominated reef tank.. with fish and now a bunch of berghia! Current Tank Info: 80g tank, re-starting a reef after a zoanthid nudibranch plauge, followed by months of steady and unstoppable STN/RTN, crashed; stayed FOWLR for a couple years, currently an aiptasia dominated reef tank with fishies and BERGHIA

07/18/2007, 02:56 PM	#28
returnofsid Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 3,852	Okay, just a quick correction of 2 of the early posts....Sea Turtles are NOT Mammals...NOR are they Reptiles. They're Amphibians. Yes, illegal...lol.

07/18/2007, 04:08 PM	#33
hankthetank Moved On Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 161	What % of newly hatched sea turtles make it into the ocean?And what % of those survive to say 1' in size.It would seem beneficial to the species to raid nests,raise the young to a nice size and release them.But not beneficial to the people involved....sick!