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[cayars]

Originally posted by BeanAnimal
cayars.... you keep posting that RO/DI is not potable. That simply is not true. You can most certainly drink RO/DI water.

There is some debate about it leaching electrolytes and minerals from your body. In large quantities, this could be the case, but in large quantities, water of any kind can kill you.

The nonsense about needing to get minerals from our water is urban legend. The water leaching your body dry is urban legen. Even the dopes at the WHO (World Health Organization) don't seem to get it right. They even warn people not to use deionized water to prepare food and drink. Heh? As soon as you mix it with anything it is no longer deionized. Shows you how much you should trust the morons at the WHO.

Our diets are chock full of magnitudes more minerals than we need to survive. Anybody who consumes food on a regular basis will replinish any minerals that the water would absorb.

Stuck in the desert? RO/DI would not be the best idea for you to drink. Then again Ice Tea would kill you too.

I never said you couldn't drink it or use it for whatever. I have only said RO/DI water is NOT POTABLE. Nothing more or less.

This is 100% accurate as RO/DI is no where near potable water since the whole objective of a good RO/DI system is to get you "pure water".

I don't remember the exact specs but water needs to meet certain specs like having x amount of minerals, certain pH, etc to be considered potable.

Regardless adding a little Ca to the stored RO/DI water does do the trick.

For what it's worth I have a bypass before my DI stages so I can get RO water which I use for drinking & coffee etc around the house. I don't use DI water for that purpose.

Carlo

BTW, the amount of leach if any from Brute containers is pretty small and many won't even notice it unless you store your water for a week or so. With other containers it's more noticeable and the Ca trick will help a lot more.

[BeanAnimal]

But, it is most certainly POTABLE.

The definition of POTABLE is: Suitable for drinking.

It may not meet some regulatory or WHO criteria for nutrition, but that does not mean it is not safe to drink. Coca Cola does not meat the definition of POTABLE WATER either

[Wryknow]

This is too funny! RO/DI water not potable? Not the best to drink if your stuck in the desert? Only in America.............

[cayars]

It started out as potable water but became "pure".

Potable water is the quality of the water. While most times the problem is too much stuff in the water that needs to be removed to become potable it can work the other way to where the water is to pure and needs to be reconstituted to become potable.

BeanAnimal that is a layman's definition but either way RO/DI water is not really safe for drinking and therefore not potable.
Just because some people drink it does not mean it should be drank. I could drink from my local stream but that doesn't mean it's safe or potable either.

Many of the cheap RO/DI systems reefers have will create potable water because they don't work that well. But if you have a good unit/filters/membranes/resins then you will get ultra pure water and it won't be potable.

Actually products sold in the US that meet criteria for holding "potable" water meet the criteria of the USEPA. The USEPA does not consider ultra pure water as potable. Neither does ANSI/NSF Potable Water & FDA Bottled Water Quality Standards.

While I don't want to argue the point since I know the differences an RO/DI setup isn't the ideal filtration if the intent is for drinking. Cold Sterile Filtrate system is a much better choice as it removes pesticides, volatile organic chemicals, complexed phosphates and dangerous bacteria. Most RO/DI units do not reject VOC's, low levels of heavy metals, Organic Carbons, Pesticides/Insecticides, Poly and complex Phosphates, Water Conditioning Polymers. Cold Sterile Filration doesn't remove calcium, magnesium divalent cations nor strip the water's alkaline reserve which is important to be considered potable.

http://www.epa.gov/safewater

Here's something I just found:
Ultra pure water is the perfect solvent. Presently many reef tank owners use R/O [nanofiltration], Ion-exchange resins and combinations of R/O + mixed bed resins or split bed resins + mixed bed resins producing high quality water [conductivity: 1.0µ/S-0.243µ/S] which requires the addition of buffers and minerals supplements before it can be used during replacement water changes. If this water is to be used as replacement for evaporation many add calcium, magnesium, iodide, selenium, and trace elements solutions. However, the big problem for reef tanks is the hobbyists lack of knowledge of high quality water's unique solvent effects. First, high quality, water should have conductivity measured via gold flow cell, on an instrument capable of reading to 0.056µ/S, calibrated by a prepared 25µ/S standard solution. Second, all ultra pure water must be piped sealed through teflon or polypropylene tubing/pipe into a sealed polypropylene storage container. All pipes and storage tanks must be flushed with ultra-pure rated water prior to first usage. If any air contact is made this highly reactive water will be turned into literally waste water. For example: 1.0-2.43 µ/S water will absorb plastizers, VOCs, heavy metals out of most plastics and then absorb any room's undesirable gasses CO, CO2, NH3, O3, N2, VOC's which then produces [5-100µ/S] gas and impurity saturated water. This water will contain: vinyl chloride monomer, epoxides, cyanides, thiocyanides, heavy metals, volatile amines, trihalomethanes, other volatile organic chemicals + CO2 Gas, NH3 Gas & other atmospheric gasseous contaminates. This contaminated water is then dosed with calcium, strontium, selenium, iodide and assorted trace elements before addition to the reef tank. This R/O or D.I. water may also contain heterotrophic bacteria or endotoxins that grew in the filter media. Ref.: Heterotrophic menace: fact or fiction?, Water Technology, Feb. 1999.

BTW for those drinking DI water:
There are two kinds of DI filter cartridges.
The transparent color-change resins are not suitable for drinking water.
Non-colorchange resins are suitable for drinking water.
I myself wouldn't drink DI water.

Carlo

[Wryknow]

Yes, water is an excellent solvent and will have the effect of dilluting water-soluble elements that it comes into contact with. Does this mean that the effect is meaningful and relevant to us? Perhaps in some circumstances, but there is an abundance of direct, observable evidence that the use of BRUTE trashcans and PVC pipe in reef aquariums is not harmful (i.e. everyone who uses them and have successful reef aquariums) and absolutely none that I am aware of from anyone who says that it is dangerous.

You also inhaled cyanide the last time that you took a breath. It's naturally occuring element of our atmosphere. It's the dose that makes the poison.

As too the whole "potable" water thing... according to Encarta potable means "suitable for drinking because it contains no harmful elements." The risk of high purity water is that it can be easily colonized by ambient bacteria and make you sick. Yes, pure water will absorb slighty ions from your body then less pure water but the effect is insufficient to be harmful in any practical quantities. The effect is most likely even somewhat beneficial to your average American since sodium deficiencies are relatively uncommon in our society.

[cayars]

Guys I'm not debating if it should be drank or not. I myself use RO water but not DI. Either way it doesn't matter.

The only point I was trying to make originally is that the water you get from a good working RO/DI unit is ION HUNGRY (regardless if you want to call it potable or not).

The common Brute trashcans and most other "tanks" we use are not designed to hold DI water. You can get verification from Rubbermaid on this yourself if you want to. Pure DI water should only be held in polypropylene or other DI safe materials if you can't have the material leach into the water.

The brute can's do leach in pure DI water. If you have a good meter it's pretty easy to test this yourself. Let the water site for a week and go back and check the TDS readings. Break out your phosphate meters and check that too. I'll bet you'll be surprised.

My original suggestion if anyone cares to go back and read it is that adding some calcium to the RO/DI storage water will in fact help a lot because the water will no longer be ION HUNGRY and won't absorb from it's container.

Wryknow, you can find all kinds of definitions of what's considered potable. Some use "safe" for consumption, some use "suitable". The EPA and other government agencies (many countries) do not consider DI water safe to drink because it has been stripped of ions. So that would be not suitable also. I'd think most doctors and chemists would probably agree because of electrolyte inbalances in the body. You can do a search of google if DI water is safe to drink and get tons of links from government org. doctors, universities, etc that all pretty much say the same thing. It's not good to drink. I'm not aware of any authority that says DI water is SAFE or SUITABLE to drink. Forgetting about the EPA itself the overwelming response of no would indicate it's not potable (safe/suitable to drink). I'm not debating if you can or can't drink it. I'm just the messenger.

My point was that if you are going to quote a container being suitable to store "potable" water in it then you also need to know what "potable" means from the same people who approve the certification. For our purposes having "potable" cert doesn't mean much.

Just for the record I never knew this until a few years ago when talking to Randy. He's the one who told me RO/DI water is not considered potable. I had the same reaction as most here did/do and thought he was crazy but after some reading found he was correct.

Carlo

[cayars]

Originally posted by Wryknow
As too the whole "potable" water thing... according to Encarta potable means "suitable for drinking because it contains no harmful elements." The risk of high purity water is that it can be easily colonized by ambient bacteria and make you sick. Yes, pure water will absorb slighty ions from your body then less pure water but the effect is insufficient to be harmful in any practical quantities. The effect is most likely even somewhat beneficial to your average American since sodium deficiencies are relatively uncommon in our society.

Deionized water is exactly that - water that has essentially been stripped of all of its ions. Water likes to be balanced in its natural state, however, and this means that it adds ions to itself to achieve that goal. Therefore, DI water grabs ions from everything it touches that can be dissolved or absorbed. It is about a close as you can get to a Universal Solvent.

Its hazardous to you to ingest because of what is called osmotic shock. Your body on a cellular level is balanced to a degree by the amount of salt that your cells have in them. This salt allows electrical signals to travel through your nervous system, creates reactions in your muscles that make them move, and also keep most simple bacteria from killing you because they cannot live in a high salinity environment.

Back to osmotic shock - your cellular walls allow the free passage of water and salt through them. A process called osmosis means that the concentration of salts try to acheive equilibrium by moving to establish similar concentrations through your whole body. If you drink DI water, however, the absence of salt in it makes this movement occur VERY fast, as the body starts to try to reach equilibrium. Unfortunately, the salt movement is so fast and has so much force behind it that the cell walls basically explode from the shock, which of course kills the cells. Kill to many and you can get internal bleeding and all kinds of nasty stuff like that.

Distilled water is not nearly as agressive as deionized, and it is essentially balanced. It still has very little ions in it, but it is less aggressive than DI and while I would not recommend drinking it either, is less likely to harm you.

Carlo

PS I didn't write this but klept it off a site. I'm sure you guys will have fun with this. I found a couple parts not telling the whole story. Wonder if anyone picks it up too?

[Wryknow]

Again, it's the dose that makes the poison. Could drinking 5 gallons of DI water in 15 minutes be harmful to you? Possibly. Is drinking a 16 oz glass of DI water harmful to you. In my opinion and practical experience, no. I haven't seen a toxicology report that showed drinking DI water was the cause of death of anyone yet. Feel free to give it a try yourself.

[opihi]

Originally posted by Sea Polar
Will the smaller green ones work too?

I just bought two of them today.

Make sure it's a brute. I have used the roughneck containers in the past, and each one has developed a crack and leaked.

If you hold it upside down and look through it at the sun or some other bright light, you will see that they are quite thin.

[BeanAnimal]

Originally posted by cayars
It started out as potable water but became "pure".

Potable water is the quality of the water. While most times the problem is too much stuff in the water that needs to be removed to become potable it can work the other way to where the water is to pure and needs to be reconstituted to become potable.

I think you need to get the dictionary back out my friend. It would appear that your definition of "POTABLE" is being confused with standards for water distribiution.

BeanAnimal that is a layman's definition but either way RO/DI water is not really safe for drinking and therefore not potable.

It is most certainly safe for drinking. I am not sure where you get your information, but you way off base with both your definitions and reasoning.

Just because some people drink it does not mean it should be drank. I could drink from my local stream but that doesn't mean it's safe or potable either.

Um if you can drink from the stream and not get sick, the water is potable. Again, your definition is WAY off.

Many of the cheap RO/DI systems reefers have will create potable water because they don't work that well. But if you have a good unit/filters/membranes/resins then you will get ultra pure water and it won't be potable.

No sir, pure RO/DI water is drinkable. With each passing paragraph it becomes more appearant that you are your not well informed with regard to this subject as it pertains to human safety.

Actually products sold in the US that meet criteria for holding "potable" water meet the criteria of the USEPA. The USEPA does not consider ultra pure water as potable. Neither does ANSI/NSF Potable Water & FDA Bottled Water Quality Standards.

Nor would they consider Coca Cola, Seltzer water, flavored water, ice tea, or anything else. You are confusing the standards for water with what is fit for human consumption.

While I don't want to argue the point since I know the differences an RO/DI setup isn't the ideal filtration if the intent is for drinking.

You don't appear to know the differences. You are confusing drinking water standards with reality. You may not want to argue, but you have certainly made some very bold statements.

Cold Sterile Filtrate system is a much better choice as it removes pesticides, volatile organic chemicals, complexed phosphates and dangerous bacteria. Most RO/DI units do not reject VOC's, low levels of heavy metals, Organic Carbons, Pesticides/Insecticides, Poly and complex Phosphates, Water Conditioning Polymers. Cold Sterile Filration doesn't remove calcium, magnesium divalent cations nor strip the water's alkaline reserve which is important to be considered potable.

Ohh give me a break. You have now stepped off the deep end of this one. Did you pull that from the KS website?


As for the quoted text.... Do you really want me to respond? If the perfect solvent touches the air it is waste water huh? Again, give me a break. Just becuase you find it on the internet does not mean it is true.

[cayars]

It would seem no matter what information is given you are stuck in the thought process that DI water is "safe" to drink and therefore is potable regardless of what "experts" in the field say about the matter.

I think you proved your point about considering drinking stream water as being potable since you didn't get sick from it.

BTW, in the example above where you would consider the water potable (from the stream). What if a month/year down the road I was overcome with a parasite that had been in that water? Would it not be considered potable at that point as it was obviously unsafe to drink?

You take "potable" as being "if I didn't get sick it's potable". Just because you didn't get sick doesn't mean it was safe or suitable.

There are many simple definitions as I pointed out previously what "potable" means but most use either "safe" or "suitable" in the definition. IMHO you are then thinking since it's "pure" it's "suitable" when experts say it's not. I'm not a medical doctor so I can't myself say, but every site I've found from the medical field dealing with drinking DI water says it's not good for you to drink long term. That to me says it's not "suitable" or "safe" and therefore not "potable". <-- by simple definition.

As I previously said the EPA has clear guidelines for what it considers "potable" water and DI doesn't make the cut. Distilled water is considered potable. No the two aren't the same but are close in many respects and different in others.

Again, it goes back to the EPA (more or less) guidelines in this country to say what is considered "potable" and what is not from a PRODUCT standpoint. I use the word PRODUCT strongly here so there is no argument. If the product we store our "pure" water in says it's ok to store potable water in then logic would say we are safe if our water also matches the guidelines. Our water does not.

Ever look at sites that make large holding tanks. They will usually have tanks for "potable" water and special tanks for non-potable water like RO/DI water. Look one up and give them a call and argue the point with them that you can use a "potable" container for your RO/DI water. Most will clearly tell you the product can't be used in that environment. Rubbermaid will tell you this about there brute trash cans too. Many of us still use them for DI storage anyway but then have creeping TDS in the container over time. Remember how this all started where I mentioned throwing in a little Ca so the water wasn't ion hungry and would become more potable?

While you may take the dictionary definition and mangle it to mean "if I didn't get sick drinking it then it's potable" the medical & scientific fields don't see it that way and don't consider the water potable because it's not safe for long term drinking because of several issues.

btw, re-read the part about "waste water" in the context of what's written. When you need pure water and the DI water touches air it pulls in the Ions and should be considered waste water as it's no longer fit for use. I knew someone would pull it out of context.

Carlo

PS I'm done with the "debate" unless you want to bring in some scientific or medical literature that says it's potable or safe for long term drinking. I don't personally agree with your "interpretation" of "potable" (nor does the EPA, medical or scientific communities) so continuing to debate it is useless at this point.

[BeanAnimal]

It would seem no matter what information is given you are stuck in the thought process that DI water is "safe" to drink and therefore is potable regardless of what "experts" in the field say about the matter.

Not at all. The problem is the "experts" that are cited.

Lets make this simple. Your stomach has acids in it, and usually partly digested food. Your saliva has salts and other substances in it.

Swallow a gulp of DI water, what happens to it. Instantly it hits your saliva and your stomach. It is now NO LONGER DI water.

As I also mentioned, we as modern man, eat far more minerals than our bodies need. Anything that the DI water rips out of us is more than replinished.

What don't you get about that?

So if you ask an "expert" if a pure solvent can strip IONS from the body, then of course he will say yes. Those same "experts" will tell you that your cola and beer are far worse for you. Put it in context instead of taking it out of context... thats all.

[BeanAnimal]

I think you proved your point about considering drinking stream water as being potable since you didn't get sick from it.

BTW, in the example above where you would consider the water potable (from the stream). What if a month/year down the road I was overcome with a parasite that had been in that water? Would it not be considered potable at that point as it was obviously unsafe to drink?

Your all over the place man. Let me ask you again. Is BEER considered potable? Is Coca Cola considered POTABLE? Of course they are.

What happens down the road when they cause adverse health effects?

You simply DO NOT understand the definition of POTABLE. You are twisting the definition with water standards. You are interpreting the definition into something that it is NOT.

[BeanAnimal]

There are many simple definitions as I pointed out previously what "potable" means but most use either "safe" or "suitable" in the definition. IMHO you are then thinking since it's "pure" it's "suitable" when experts say it's not. I'm not a medical doctor so I can't myself say, but every site I've found from the medical field dealing with drinking DI water says it's not good for you to drink long term. That to me says it's not "suitable" or "safe" and therefore not "potable". <-- by simple definition

Once again. Is Coca Cola POTABLE? Is is safe for you to drink long term? Does your doctor and the other websites you found consider it safe long term? Of course not. I suppose Coca Cola is NOT POTABLE then.

[BeanAnimal]

As I previously said the EPA has clear guidelines for what it considers "potable" water and DI doesn't make the cut. Distilled water is considered potable. No the two aren't the same but are close in many respects and different in others.

Does Pellagrino sparkling water make the cut? No, of course not. Does your well water make the cut? No, of course not.

Once again Sir... You are trying to apply the definition of a water standard to something it was never meant to cover.

Again, it goes back to the EPA (more or less) guidelines in this country to say what is considered "potable" and what is not from a PRODUCT standpoint. I use the word PRODUCT strongly here so there is no argument. If the product we store our "pure" water in says it's ok to store potable water in then logic would say we are safe if our water also matches the guidelines. Our water does not.

With all due respect... I think logic left your arguement before it ever started.

You have posted numerous times that RO/DI water is NOT POTABLE and tried to support that claim, going as far as saying it is not safe to drink.

Your all wet.

[BeanAnimal]

Ever look at sites that make large holding tanks. They will usually have tanks for "potable" water and special tanks for non-potable water like RO/DI water. Look one up and give them a call and argue the point with them that you can use a "potable" container for your RO/DI water. Most will clearly tell you the product can't be used in that environment. Rubbermaid will tell you this about there brute trash cans too. Many of us still use them for DI storage anyway but then have creeping TDS in the container over time. Remember how this all started where I mentioned throwing in a little Ca so the water wasn't ion hungry and would become more potable?

What in the world does that have to do with being SAFE TO DRINK or POTABLE?

Read your package of Kool-Aid. It says "Do not mix or store in a metal container".

Why? Becuase Kool-Aid has citric acid in it and will leach ions out of the container and change the taste. Is Kool-Aid POTABLE?

So we have special tanks for WATER and special tanks for Kool-Aid. Does that mean anything?

Sorry carlo, but your logic is flawed.

[BeanAnimal]

While you may take the dictionary definition and mangle it to mean "if I didn't get sick drinking it then it's potable" the medical & scientific fields don't see it that way and don't consider the water potable because it's not safe for long term drinking because of several issues.

One of us has mangled the definition, but it is not me. You have twisted yourself into a knot trying to show that DI water is not safe to drink and is NOT POTABLE.

btw, re-read the part about "waste water" in the context of what's written. When you need pure water and the DI water touches air it pulls in the Ions and should be considered waste water as it's no longer fit for use. I knew someone would pull it out of context.

With all due respect Carlo, your entire premise is OUT OF CONTEXT.

Furthermore, you posted the text to support your claims about POTABLE WATER. I put it back in context because you tried to apply it OUT OF CONTEXT.

Carlo

PS I'm done with the "debate" unless you want to bring in some scientific or medical literature that says it's potable or safe for long term drinking. I don't personally agree with your "interpretation" of "potable" (nor does the EPA, medical or scientific communities) so continuing to debate it is useless at this point.

I don't suspect your done. You keep telling people that RO/DI is NOT POTABLE. You cite (well you say that they say things) the EPA and SCIENTIFIC communities but don't even understand the context of what they are saying or the definition of POTABLE. You don't recognize the fact that water standards and POTABLE water are two different things. You don't understand that the "perfect solvent" is no longer a perfect solvent once it passes your gums but your diet replaces anything that the water may take out. You don't understand the fact that drinking ICE TEA strips your body of needed minerals too.

Yes.. .I think we are done here. This has traveled to the absurd and back. Just please stop telling people that DI water is NOT POTABLE. Your just flat out wrong.

[cayars]

BeanAnimal, I'm not going to get "sucked" into discussions on things like Coca-Cola, Beer & Kool-Aid. We are talking potable water here not anything else.

You seem to want to twist my words so that it works for you. It doesn't. You have yet to prove your point. I have given several reasons why it's not safe to drink long term and why it's not suitable. In every definition of potable water you can find it would not be considered potable.

Again, please site a medical or scientific journal or other credible source to show it's potable. You keep trying to put me on the defence and I'm not going to do it. The medical fields, scientific fields and EPA have clearly said it's not safe and not potable so I'm not the one saying it. I'm only the messenger. If you want to make a case that it is potable then by all means do so but quote an expert.

I very strongly feel I'm not the one "twisting" the definition of potable water. I'm not the one going against the community at large here, you are. I'm not the one bringing up nonsense stuff like coke and beer that has nothing to do with potable water you are.

Is Pellagrino sparkling water potable?
Bottled water is regulated at the federal and state level. At the federal level, bottled water is regulated as a food and, therefore, comes under the jurisdiction of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Bottled water is subject to the requirements of the federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, and, if it is sold as a consumer commodity, is subject to the Fair Packaging and Labeling Act. In the code of Federal Regulations, FDA has established standard of identity and standard of quality regulations for bottled water (21 CFR 103.35 and 165.l10), and current good manufacturing practice (CGMP) regulations for processing and bottling of bottled drinking water (21 CFR part 129). Go check out some of the requirements and then come back and correct your post.

I know well water in the area I live in HAS TO BE POTABLE (and actually even better then that) to sell or buy a house in these parts. It's an expensive set of tests and I know I failed it when selling my house back in March. I know all to well about this IN MY AREA. I even had to remove the DI canister under the sink. This I will not debate with you because I lived through the mess and you did not. But the only reason I brought it up is that it probably depends on where you live. But to say well water is or can not be potable is well a lack of understanding on your part.

Honestly, I don't understand your logic on the matter. At this point I'm not even sure you know what potable water is. How can say well water and Pellagrino sparkling water aren't or can't be potable but drinking from a stream is??? Seems backwards to me. How can you talk about beer and soda as being potable?

You say: "You simply DO NOT understand the definition of POTABLE. You are twisting the definition with water standards. You are interpreting the definition into something that it is NOT."

Kind of seems the opposite.

"With all due respect... I think logic left your arguement before it ever started.

You have posted numerous times that RO/DI water is NOT POTABLE and tried to support that claim, going as far as saying it is not safe to drink."

It's not suitable for long term drinking. I never said you couldn't drink it in limited quantities. Please don't put words in my mouth. All I've said is that it's not potable and not safe suitable LONG TERM to drink.

Well I've stuck to it pretty well. Over and over again I've explained why it's not safe or suitable for long term use and why it's not potable.

I think my logic is pretty sound. I'm not jumping all over the place with examples that have nothing to do with potable water. I've stuck to facts, nothing more, nothing less.

You claim in the previous message that I'm the one who doesn't understand what potable water is. Yet you bring up beer and coke to support potable water? Didn't know they were water.

Over and over again I've said the common definition is "Water that is safe and suitable to drink". Wiki has a pretty good definition "Drinking water is water that is intended to be ingested by humans. Water of sufficient quality to serve as drinking water is termed potable water whether it is used as such or not."

Either way it doesn't matter because the medical field has shown it's not safe AND NOT of sufficient quality AND NOT suitable for long term use. LOGIC then says if it's not safe and not suitable and not of sufficient quality it's not potable. Seems pretty simple to me without any "twisting".

"Absurd and back". You must be reading your responses.

DI water IS NOT POTABLE. Please stop trying to go against everything that is published on the matter unless you are going to step up and prove it. Find a reference somewhere that shows it's potable. Until such time as it's disputed and proven to be safe and suitable for long term use I'll go with what the experts in multiple fields say about it. "Not suitable for long term drinking".

If anyone in particular want to find out if there tap, RO or RO/DI water is potable (safe/suitable to drink) get it tested by a state/EPA certified drinking water laboratory. You'll get a detailed report showing many things and if anything in the water is not in sufficient quantities or to much in quantity you'll know. You will clearly know if the water is safe and suitable to drink or not.

But again, drink it if you want. I don't personally care. If you want to consider it safe to drink long term that's your prerogative but please don't influence others on the matter when the medical field has said it's not good to drink long term.

However, the containers we commonly use to hold the RO/DI aren't designed or especially suitable to hold DI water because it's ION HUNGRY. It will leach from the air and container until such time as it's not ION HUNGRY. Alternately you can add some minerals like Calcium to the DI water so it's not ION hungry and so it won't leach from the container. <-- The only point I really care about in this thread!

For anyone reading this with an RO/DI unit you can install a simple/cheap bypass between the RO membrane and DI cartridge so you can fill water containers. The water is sufficiently purified for drinking and it still has some minerals in it and it's not ion depleted which is the cause of much of the medical issues. RO water is generally considered a good thing to drink while DI is not.

If you ever look at the combination house/reef RO/DI units you'll see they are designed this way on purpose. Call and ask a vendor why and they'll probably tell you the DI water isn't safe to drink while the RO water is perfect.

Enough said,
Carlo

[BeanAnimal]

BeanAnimal, I'm not going to get "sucked" into discussions on things like Coca-Cola, Beer & Kool-Aid. We are talking potable water here not anything else.

You just don't get it do you? If RO/DI water does not fit your towns definition of "potable water" it does not mean that it IS NOT POTABLE. Coca-Cola does not fit the towns definition of POTABLE WATER either. It is still potable.

Your blinders are so long that your unable to see the flaws in your own logic.

You keep stating that RO/DI is NOT POTABLE and NOT SAFE TO DRINK. You just dead wrong. PERIOD.

[BeanAnimal]

You seem to want to twist my words so that it works for you. It doesn't. You have yet to prove your point. I have given several reasons why it's not safe to drink long term and why it's not suitable. In every definition of potable water you can find it would not be considered potable.

I am not twisting your words at all. YOU SAID RO/DI WATER IS NOT POTABLE. YOU KEEP SAYING IT. YOU ARE WRONG.

Are there reasons to be concerned? Of course. It has no chlorine and can therefore harbor harmful bacteria easier than chlorinated water. That does not make it NOT POTABLE. Chloriniated water can ALSO become NOT POTABLE if you add bacteria to it.

Sorry many... you just way off base here and keep posting Tomes of poor logic.

[BeanAnimal]

Again, please site a medical or scientific journal or other credible source to show it's potable. You keep trying to put me on the defence and I'm not going to do it. The medical fields, scientific fields and EPA have clearly said it's not safe and not potable so I'm not the one saying it. I'm only the messenger. If you want to make a case that it is potable then by all means do so but quote an expert.

You keep saying the "experts say this" and the "experts say that" but have yet to provide references. You posted a link to water standards from the EPA. So what? Again, you are confusing POTABLE with water standards.

You keep saying you "are only the messenger" yet you have provided PAGES of your own interpretation and flawd logic.

Honestly carlo... you appear to be doing a lot of running around and arm waving but saying the same thing over and over.

[BeanAnimal]

I very strongly feel I'm not the one "twisting" the definition of potable water. I'm not the one going against the community at large here, you are. I'm not the one bringing up nonsense stuff like coke and beer that has nothing to do with potable water you are.

No... I am telling you FLAT OUT that you have no idea what the word POTABLE means and have taken it WAY out of context in trying to apply it to DI water.

You keep saying RO/DI WATER IS NOT POTABLE. You then write hundreds of lines of flawed logic to show that it IS NOT POTABLE.

I have merely shown that if you apply that logic to ANY other beverage, then it would be considered NOT POTABLE.

Again carlo

POTABLE = FIT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION

[BeanAnimal]

Is Pellagrino sparkling water potable?
Bottled water is regulated at the federal and state level. At the federal level, bottled water is regulated as a food and, therefore, comes under the jurisdiction of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Bottled water is subject to the requirements of the federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, and, if it is sold as a consumer commodity, is subject to the Fair Packaging and Labeling Act. In the code of Federal Regulations, FDA has established standard of identity and standard of quality regulations for bottled water (21 CFR 103.35 and 165.l10), and current good manufacturing practice (CGMP) regulations for processing and bottling of bottled drinking water (21 CFR part 129). Go check out some of the requirements and then come back and correct your post.

Man can you ramble on about irrelevant stuff.

Are you saying that Pellagrino water IS NOT POTABLE?

What are you saying? Do you even know?

[cayars]

Again it's a twisted logic and my "towns" definition or standard has nothing to do with it.

That makes no sense what you said. Let me translate it for you

"If RO/DI water does not fit your towns definition of "safe/suitable water" it does not mean that it IS NOT "SAFE/SUITABLE".

Does that make sense to you? It surely doesn't to me.

Bean you haven't addressed the many health issues of DI water which is the reason it's not suitable and why it can't be considered potable.

You're missing the simple fact of the matter. It's proven on multiple fronts that drinking DI water over long periods causes numerous health issues. It's simply not safe or suitable. This is the heart of the matter you need to address if you want to show it is safe and suitable. Do you not understand this premise?

It's seems quite obvious that no matter what, you insist DI water is safe even in the face of the test to mentioned above where the city tests the water to see if it's safe. It's a contradiction. The fact that you CAN drink it does not make it potable. You CAN drink a cup of acid if you try hard enough but I wouldn't call that potable just because you can do it as it's not safe or suitable to drink.

Are you aware that there are basically two kinds of DI resins on the market? One is safe to create water that can be used for drinking or mixing with stuff to be drank while the other is not safe to use. If you have a color changing type DI resin it's not safe to use and the manufactures will tell you that in no uncertain terms. If you don't have the color changing type of resin you may or may not be OK. The safe type is more expensive and usually isn't what you would get in any "normal" reef type di cartridge. You normally need to seek them out.

DI water is just not a good idea to drink for many reasons BeanAnimal.

Carlo

[BeanAnimal]

Either way it doesn't matter because the medical field has shown it's not safe AND NOT of sufficient quality AND NOT suitable for long term use. LOGIC then says if it's not safe and not suitable and not of sufficient quality it's not potable. Seems pretty simple to me without any "twisting".

Please show this. Ohh wait you can't!

Are you saying that anything we drink that can hurt us in the long term is not considered POTABLE?

Honestly Carlo...

I tire of this nonsense. You simply have confused so many issues that it has become impossible to respond. Your insistance that RO/DI water is NOT POTABLE is comical and your reasoning is convoluted at best.