Starting 90g Reef Tank Build... Finally!!!

[new2sw776784]

uh oh i wish you the best

[kudora]

Originally posted by Tswifty8
Small crisis today... A/C went out... Laura just called and the tank temp is on the rise. It's at 85 right now, which isn't too much of a concern, but I have her floating bags of ice in the sump until I can get home to figure out what to do.

It's 92 today, and it looks like maintenance won't be able to get someone out to fix it until tomorrow.

ack glad its not 102

[vader88]

106F here today.... tank holding at 79

[Tswifty]

Well I'm not too worried anymore... I shut off the lights in the tank, used bags of ice, and picked up a small fan at wal-mart...

The temp is at 84 now and slowly working down back to normal.

what a relief

[new2sw776784]

good to hear.

[kudora]

awesome glad you have it under control, what kind of vent is that behind the tank swift?

[Tswifty]

The vent is an output for the A/C.

Also, the A/C guy showed up, fixed the problem... Apparently he finished on a call early, and the landlord called him and asked him to rush over. So now the cold air is back on, and the tank temp should hopefully stabilize again by tonight.

The LFS has a blue spot jawfish in stock right now for $100... hmmm

[kudora]

Originally posted by Tswifty8
The vent is an output for the A/C.

Also, the A/C guy showed up, fixed the problem... Apparently he finished on a call early, and the landlord called him and asked him to rush over. So now the cold air is back on, and the tank temp should hopefully stabilize again by tonight.

The LFS has a blue spot jawfish in stock right now for $100... hmmm

do it now since you have a Q-tank up and running, thats always my problem i take down the Q-tank and then i see something i like.

[Tswifty]

I'm thinking about it, and will wait until the weekend to make a decision. I need to do some research on them, as I've heard they can be difficult to keep in aquariums.

FYI... Temp is 82.5 now with the actinic lights running. I'm amazed at how well the small fan pointed into the sump worked at cooling the tank down.

Also, the 4" IceCap fans are definitely working properly, and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend them to anyone now. I knew something was up, as they were in overdrive when I got home today, and I could hear them in the other room (they usually are barely noticeable). The heat sensor, which I was considering cutting off, definately did it's job and has earned its stay.

[Aquarist007]

Originally posted by Tswifty8
I'm thinking about it, and will wait until the weekend to make a decision. I need to do some research on them, as I've heard they can be difficult to keep in aquariums.

FYI... Temp is 82.5 now with the actinic lights running. I'm amazed at how well the small fan pointed into the sump worked at cooling the tank down.

Also, the 4" IceCap fans are definitely working properly, and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend them to anyone now. I knew something was up, as they were in overdrive when I got home today, and I could hear them in the other room (they usually are barely noticeable). The heat sensor, which I was considering cutting off, definately did it's job and has earned its stay.

Have them keep it for you for one week--go in every day and observe--for 100 bucks I would

[Aquarist007]

Originally posted by Tswifty8
Well I'm not too worried anymore... I shut off the lights in the tank, used bags of ice, and picked up a small fan at wal-mart...

The temp is at 84 now and slowly working down back to normal.

what a relief

boy take a weekend off for a wedding and you miss stuff on this thread
Sorry to hear about the crises after the fact but glad you handled the situation expertly

You are going to have to index this thread by problems that come out and how they were handle
plumbing, lighting, caulerpa algae, black ich, ac failture---this site continues to be one I reference to on a daily basis

Any beer left in the fridge--I'm coming over

[Tswifty]

Well here's another great problem... like I said the temp spiked today...

Take a guess what happened to the tangs

I gotta figure out a plan of action now... crap...

Capn better put those beers on ice for a while.

[Aquarist007]

Originally posted by Tswifty8
Well here's another great problem... like I said the temp spiked today...

Take a guess what happened to the tangs

I gotta figure out a plan of action now... crap...

Capn better put those beers on ice for a while.

how much of a spike--and what happened

[vader88]

I believe he had a 5-6 degree swing over a short period of time.

Geez, I'm guessing they broke out with ich.

[kayne_21]

I've got my money on ich

[SCIFI_3D_zoo]

They got black ich again?

Be careful with that fan. I had a much much smaller 4-fan AZOO unit and had it blowing across the top of the water in the display. I let it go all night b/c I thought it would only drop it a few degrees. I woke up next morning it went from 86'F to 72'F. I have it hooked up to a temp. controller now. I did notice I didn't get as much change with one on the sump but I didn't do enough experimentation to really explain or verify that beyond doubt.

[Aquarist007]

Originally posted by vader88
I believe he had a 5-6 degree swing over a short period of time.

Geez, I'm guessing they broke out with ich.

that is not a big swing

geeze I thought they died--ich is treatable---this time I would wait a bit and see if they heal themselves--could have been the stress from the temp change

T.J if you are going to have heat problems all summer you might want to invest in a aqua control junior to control the heat, lighting and fans
This system was a life saver for my reef buddy who was handling house temps in the low 90's last summer

[Tswifty]

I would say probably a 6 or 7 degree spike... The A/C went out today at some point and the house was basically a sauna until I got home. The temp in the tank hit 87, then I may have brought it back down to quickly.

I should say... with regards to the PBT...

I fully expected to go through all of this once I decided to purchase a PBT... the black ich, the ich, and a number of other diseases. From browsing other member's threads who have had long term success with PBT's it seems they have all gone through this, and a number of diseases in the initial stages of housing these fish.. However, once they get them through the tangs seem to be relatively indestructable.

I weighed the cost, headaches, etc... versus the stunning beauty of these fish, and decided it was worth the struggle. I thought I may have lucked out, and not had to go through the regular ich phase, but it seems I was not so fortunate... and it just goes to show that despite your best efforts sometimes "sh_ _ happens."

So I will do as I planned, and prepare to hyposalinate the tangs for a period of 6 weeks, and if the need be, remove the clowns and gobies (which will be near impossible) and place them in one of the other tanks...

I just need to figure out how I am going to treat the tangs. Both in the 30g tank, Both in the 55g tank, 1 each in a 30g tank... etc etc...

[Aquarist007]

Originally posted by SCIFI_3D_zoo
They got black ich again?

Be careful with that fan. I had a much much smaller 4-fan AZOO unit and had it blowing across the top of the water in the display. I let it go all night b/c I thought it would only drop it a few degrees. I woke up next morning it went from 86'F to 72'F. I have it hooked up to a temp. controller now. I did notice I didn't get as much change with one on the sump but I didn't do enough experimentation to really explain or verify that beyond doubt.

cool--scifi--we recommended the same thing almost at the same time
sorry no pun intended by the use of the word cool

[Tswifty]

Originally posted by SCIFI_3D_zoo
They got black ich again?

Be careful with that fan. I had a much much smaller 4-fan AZOO unit and had it blowing across the top of the water in the display. I let it go all night b/c I thought it would only drop it a few degrees. I woke up next morning it went from 86'F to 72'F. I have it hooked up to a temp. controller now. I did notice I didn't get as much change with one on the sump but I didn't do enough experimentation to really explain or verify that beyond doubt.

The fan was a temp fix, and has been taken off the tank now that the temp is back to normal.

[Tswifty]

Originally posted by capn_hylinur
that is not a big swing

geeze I thought they died--ich is treatable---this time I would wait a bit and see if they heal themselves--could have been the stress from the temp change

T.J if you are going to have heat problems all summer you might want to invest in a aqua control junior to control the heat, lighting and fans
This system was a life saver for my reef buddy who was handling house temps in the low 90's last summer

No no deaths... sorry to scare ya...

I shouldn't have heat problems, the A/C in the townhouse just happened to break down today on the hottest day so far. I didn't have any issues with it last summer. Any other day in Ohio the temp probably wouldn't have raised at all.

I figure it will probably take 3 days to catch them, so I'm willing to wait a few days, but do not want to wait much longer than that and get the fish into treatment. The Yellow Tang has a debatable spot on his side, but the powder blue already has about 4 spots in total scattered across his face and fins.

[Tswifty]

Originally posted by kayne_21
I've got my money on ich

Originally posted by vader88
I believe he had a 5-6 degree swing over a short period of time.

Geez, I'm guessing they broke out with ich.

You both would be correct

[shadylady]

Sorry to hear about all the issues but glad everyone came through the temp swing ok, hopefully this will be the scenario that makes your tangs "indestructible"
Didn't realize it got so hot in Ohio so fast! What bad timing for the A/C

[SCIFI_3D_zoo]

I know people don't always want to hear this, and it's not guarantee of 100% total disease prevention but I wanted to share with the new people.

I've never been successful with any LFS tangs (other than the hardy Yellow) and I've tried many times b/c I'm captivated by their beauty. I just don't want to make another whole big QT setup and treat fish for 6 weeks to get rid of ich. "MY" solution. I just buy from LiveAquaria. If you buy other stuff from LFS or elsewhere you take chances although I've never had any problem for years and years with all sorts of stuff. BUT the QT process at LAq. is excellent and I've had many different kinds of Tangs now for about 1 year. They have some big 6-step QT process. I just started learning about QT'n stuff after having so many problems with Tangs and I just wasn't interested in another setup. LFS don't tell you about QT'n. They want you to keep buying stuff over and over. ANd they certainly won't QT for weeks for you. Shame so many fish are lost b/c of this.

OH.. your tank will probably be ok. I had a butt-load of temp. changes when equipment failed on me for days. Never lost anything. They can handle it although I didn't have any SPS at the time... but just about everything else.

OH.. I agree with CAPN on this too. I would wait and let them take care of it on their own before treating them again. Unless you never got through a 6 week ich-removing cycle yet.

[Tswifty]