New Lumen Bright Reflector. ... any info on them - Page 37

JRaquatics · 12/01/2008, 11:55 AM

I would try to have them so they touch in the middle. This should give you optimal lighting by less bleed and more crossover. You should have enough crossover light that you shouldn't see the shadow from the brace. I would try to get the most out of your lighting while still being pleasurable to view. Are those 250s or 175s? Are you planning on keeping SPS?

melev · 12/01/2008, 12:22 PM

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Originally posted by JRaquatics
As for fans I like the 4" variable speed ones by coralvue and or the 4" Ice Cap fans. I would place one on either side and have them both blow inward.

I agree. One or two fans should be fine.

melev · 12/01/2008, 12:24 PM

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Originally posted by obiwanthegoby
Has anyone done any PAR testing with these on a deeper tank, say 30"? with 250 or 400W? HQI?

Yes, I have. My tank is 30" tall, and I have both 250w and 400w bulbs. Here's one picture from the page on my site:

johnny313 · 12/01/2008, 12:30 PM

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Originally posted by JRaquatics
I would try to have them so they touch in the middle. This should give you optimal lighting by less bleed and more crossover. You should have enough crossover light that you shouldn't see the shadow from the brace. I would try to get the most out of your lighting while still being pleasurable to view. Are those 250s or 175s? Are you planning on keeping SPS?

it isnt hard to move them at all! i spent the money to have the lights so i wanna do it right.
the lights are 12k 250w yes i plan on getting SPS

johnny313 · 12/01/2008, 12:31 PM

another dumb questiom JR.... should the lights be positioned straight to the front of the tank or should they be kind of pointing to ea other? does it really make a difference?

JRaquatics · 12/01/2008, 12:36 PM

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Originally posted by johnny313
another dumb questiom JR.... should the lights be positioned straight to the front of the tank or should they be kind of pointing to ea other? does it really make a difference?

I honestly don't think it makes a difference with these reflectors.

johnny313 · 12/01/2008, 12:41 PM

Thank you! I just picked up my first acro... here is a pic.

johnny313 · 12/01/2008, 12:43 PM

I have him about half way to the top of the tank and I have the dimmable ballasts turned down to about 50%.

obiwanthegoby · 12/01/2008, 12:48 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by melev
[B]Yes, I have. My tank is 30" tall, and I have both 250w and 400w bulbs. Here's one picture from the page on my site:

Melev,

how tall is your sand bed, I'm assuming 6 inches? My tank height will be 29.5 total. Water depth will be at max 26.5 inches on top of the 2 inch sand bed. I don't want to make the jump to 400W bulbs if its not neccesary. Looking at your PAR readings the 400W is about the same as the 250... although its a comparison of a 10K bulb to a 20K bulb so there will be a difference. The original plan was to use 3 250 Watt Reeflux 12K supplemented heavily with T-5's. (possibly six rows of 39 watts). Does anyone think this will be sufficient? Or is the switch to planning for 400 Watts imminent? (stocking plans are clams and SPS)

JRaquatics · 12/01/2008, 12:56 PM

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Originally posted by johnny313
Thank you! I just picked up my first acro... here is a pic.

Nice looking acro. Has good polyp extension.

JRaquatics · 12/01/2008, 01:01 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by obiwanthegoby
[B]

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Originally posted by melev
Yes, I have. My tank is 30" tall, and I have both 250w and 400w bulbs. Here's one picture from the page on my site:

Melev,

how tall is your sand bed, I'm assuming 6 inches? My tank height will be 29.5 total. Water depth will be at max 26.5 inches on top of the 2 inch sand bed. I don't want to make the jump to 400W bulbs if its not neccesary. Looking at your PAR readings the 400W is about the same as the 250... although its a comparison of a 10K bulb to a 20K bulb so there will be a difference. The original plan was to use 3 250 Watt Reeflux 12K supplemented heavily with T-5's. (possibly six rows of 39 watts). Does anyone think this will be sufficient? Or is the switch to planning for 400 Watts imminent? (stocking plans are clams and SPS)

What are the exact dimensions of your tank? I usually suggest 400 watters for any tank deeper than 30 inches. You might be able to get away with running 10ks 250s with t5 supplementation otherwise clams on a sandbed in a 30" tank may require 400s above them.

johnny313 · 12/01/2008, 01:01 PM

JR... I just called RS and he said I have to raise my octo skimmer to 8" of water( its in 10.5" now. he also said to drill a hole in the 90 for relief of water pressure. how big of a hole should i drill? I just removed the 90 and the 6" pc that goes down until I raise it up

obiwanthegoby · 12/01/2008, 01:03 PM

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Originally posted by JRaquatics
What are the exact dimensions of your tank? I usually suggest 400 watters for any tank deeper than 30 inches. You might be able to get away with running 10ks 250s with t5 supplementation otherwise clams on a sandbed in a 30" tank may require 400s above them.

Tank dimensions are 84" X 36" X 29.5"T. Planning for a 1 - 2 inch sand bed.

JRaquatics · 12/01/2008, 01:04 PM

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Originally posted by johnny313
JR... I just called RS and he said I have to raise my octo skimmer to 8" of water( its in 10.5" now. he also said to drill a hole in the 90 for relief of water pressure. how big of a hole should i drill? I just removed the 90 and the 6" pc that goes down until I raise it up

1/4 to 5/16ths hole should be fine. Definitely get the skimmer up to at least 9" and optimally as close to 8" as possible.

johnny313 · 12/01/2008, 01:07 PM

thanks again

JRaquatics · 12/01/2008, 01:11 PM

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Originally posted by obiwanthegoby
Tank dimensions are 84" X 36" X 29.5"T. Planning for a 1 - 2 inch sand bed.

With those dimensions and having 3 LG lumenbrights I would suggest going 400watters for best results. FWIW If you get dimmable ballast you can turn them down if needed. Can you run 250s? sure but I think you may be restricted in the positioning of your clams and SPS.

melev · 12/01/2008, 01:14 PM

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Originally posted by obiwanthegoby
how tall is your sand bed, I'm assuming 6 inches? My tank height will be 29.5 total. Water depth will be at max 26.5 inches on top of the 2 inch sand bed. I don't want to make the jump to 400W bulbs if its not neccesary. Looking at your PAR readings the 400W is about the same as the 250... although its a comparison of a 10K bulb to a 20K bulb so there will be a difference. The original plan was to use 3 250 Watt Reeflux 12K supplemented heavily with T-5's. (possibly six rows of 39 watts). Does anyone think this will be sufficient? Or is the switch to planning for 400 Watts imminent? (stocking plans are clams and SPS)

Here's another picture from that page:

My sandbed is roughly 4" deep. When you take a 30" InterAmerican tank, you have to substract for the 3/4" bottom panel as well as the eurobracing at the top. I think the actual water height from the bottom to the lip of the bracing is 27" to 28" tall, and the water is about 1" under the eurobracing. That is why it looks like 24" to the substrate.

obiwanthegoby · 12/01/2008, 01:35 PM

Thanks guys, think I'm going to go with 3 400W Lumen Brights, Reeflux 12K bulbs, Dimmable Ballast, supplemented with 4 rows of 2 X 39W T-5 for the "pop factor". I appreciate your input greatly!

JRaquatics · 12/01/2008, 01:38 PM

Sounds like your going to have yourself a nice setup. Will you be doing a build thread for your future setup?

obiwanthegoby · 12/01/2008, 01:42 PM

Already going... here: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...readid=1515150

Trying to get a website going also, but work and end of the semester cramming is putting a damper on things.

johnny313 · 12/01/2008, 03:34 PM

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Originally posted by JRaquatics
1/4 to 5/16ths hole should be fine. Definitely get the skimmer up to at least 9" and optimally as close to 8" as possible.

JR, I tried to gety the water level to 8" and its a lil over 7"

the bottom of the pump is 5" under is that ok?

JRaquatics · 12/01/2008, 03:47 PM

Between 8"and 9" seems to be the sweet spot. I really wouldn't advise running it any less than 8" depth either.

johnny313 · 12/01/2008, 08:56 PM

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Originally posted by JRaquatics
Between 8"and 9" seems to be the sweet spot. I really wouldn't advise running it any less than 8" depth either.

ok JR. skimmer is 8". lights are close together now and i dropped them down to 18". I installed one fan for now. from that one fan I see the temp dropping already
thanks for everything!!!!!

chrissreef · 12/01/2008, 09:04 PM

I need some thoughts/help on my lighting... I set up my tank right when the LB were coming out. It's a mixed reef 60x36x30, 12k reeflux 400w w/ LB LARGE 16" above water (bulb @ 19")

The issue is I love LPS (scoly, brain, hammer, lobo) but any lps I put halfway up begins to bleach which is crimping my style.

Another issue is I have corcea clams at the bottom (30" depth) and want sps near the top so I'm concerned about their health.

Would raising the LB/bulbs a few inches even do anything?

Should I just downgrade to 250w and would my clams be ok? (this might open up the ability to add 2-3 actinic T5's)

Is there something else I'm missing? 7month old bulbs now.

Thanks!

melev · 12/02/2008, 12:40 AM

Yes, lifting them up higher will help decrease PAR. Or you could try a 250w bulb as you suggested.

12/01/2008, 01:35 PM	#918
obiwanthegoby Hair Algae cultivator Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Louisville, Ky Posts: 544	Thanks guys, think I'm going to go with 3 400W Lumen Brights, Reeflux 12K bulbs, Dimmable Ballast, supplemented with 4 rows of 2 X 39W T-5 for the "pop factor". I appreciate your input greatly! __________________ Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction. Albert Einstein Current Tank Info: 56 gallon mixed LPS/SPS tank

12/01/2008, 01:42 PM	#920
obiwanthegoby Hair Algae cultivator Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Louisville, Ky Posts: 544	Already going... here: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...readid=1515150 Trying to get a website going also, but work and end of the semester cramming is putting a damper on things. __________________ Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction. Albert Einstein Current Tank Info: 56 gallon mixed LPS/SPS tank

12/01/2008, 09:04 PM	#924
chrissreef Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Dallas Posts: 1,252	I need some thoughts/help on my lighting... I set up my tank right when the LB were coming out. It's a mixed reef 60x36x30, 12k reeflux 400w w/ LB LARGE 16" above water (bulb @ 19") The issue is I love LPS (scoly, brain, hammer, lobo) but any lps I put halfway up begins to bleach which is crimping my style. Another issue is I have corcea clams at the bottom (30" depth) and want sps near the top so I'm concerned about their health. Would raising the LB/bulbs a few inches even do anything? Should I just downgrade to 250w and would my clams be ok? (this might open up the ability to add 2-3 actinic T5's) Is there something else I'm missing? 7month old bulbs now. Thanks! __________________ One's standard of living is determined by the size of their reef Learn and you continue to adapt, stop learning and you become obsolete We live with each other, not for ourselves, protect our planet Current Tank Info: 300g Starfire/Starboard A.G.E. mixed reef

12/01/2008, 11:55 AM	#901
JRaquatics Awaiting Email Confirmation Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: On RC Posts: 3,609	I would try to have them so they touch in the middle. This should give you optimal lighting by less bleed and more crossover. You should have enough crossover light that you shouldn't see the shadow from the brace. I would try to get the most out of your lighting while still being pleasurable to view. Are those 250s or 175s? Are you planning on keeping SPS?

12/01/2008, 12:31 PM	#905
johnny313 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: New Jersey Posts: 649	another dumb questiom JR.... should the lights be positioned straight to the front of the tank or should they be kind of pointing to ea other? does it really make a difference?

12/01/2008, 12:41 PM	#907
johnny313 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: New Jersey Posts: 649	Thank you! I just picked up my first acro... here is a pic.

12/01/2008, 12:43 PM	#908
johnny313 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: New Jersey Posts: 649	I have him about half way to the top of the tank and I have the dimmable ballasts turned down to about 50%.

12/01/2008, 12:48 PM	#909
obiwanthegoby Hair Algae cultivator Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Louisville, Ky Posts: 544	[QUOTE]Originally posted by melev [B]Yes, I have. My tank is 30" tall, and I have both 250w and 400w bulbs. Here's one picture from the page on my site: Melev, how tall is your sand bed, I'm assuming 6 inches? My tank height will be 29.5 total. Water depth will be at max 26.5 inches on top of the 2 inch sand bed. I don't want to make the jump to 400W bulbs if its not neccesary. Looking at your PAR readings the 400W is about the same as the 250... although its a comparison of a 10K bulb to a 20K bulb so there will be a difference. The original plan was to use 3 250 Watt Reeflux 12K supplemented heavily with T-5's. (possibly six rows of 39 watts). Does anyone think this will be sufficient? Or is the switch to planning for 400 Watts imminent? (stocking plans are clams and SPS)

12/01/2008, 01:01 PM	#912
johnny313 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: New Jersey Posts: 649	JR... I just called RS and he said I have to raise my octo skimmer to 8" of water( its in 10.5" now. he also said to drill a hole in the 90 for relief of water pressure. how big of a hole should i drill? I just removed the 90 and the 6" pc that goes down until I raise it up

12/01/2008, 01:07 PM	#915
johnny313 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: New Jersey Posts: 649	thanks again

12/01/2008, 01:38 PM	#919
JRaquatics Awaiting Email Confirmation Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: On RC Posts: 3,609	Sounds like your going to have yourself a nice setup. Will you be doing a build thread for your future setup?

12/01/2008, 03:47 PM	#922
JRaquatics Awaiting Email Confirmation Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: On RC Posts: 3,609	Between 8"and 9" seems to be the sweet spot. I really wouldn't advise running it any less than 8" depth either.

12/02/2008, 12:40 AM	#925
melev Moved On Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ft Worth, Tx Posts: 43,217	Yes, lifting them up higher will help decrease PAR. Or you could try a 250w bulb as you suggested.