Vertex Skimmer club - Page 20

spoofer · 12/30/2008, 07:24 AM

I got mine installed on Friday and it's been running good for the last few days- it was a real easy set up, dialling in with the tube was pretty easy, little stiff in movement, but overal it's a solid design.

Did anyone put any silcon on the adjustment tube to make it
easier to turn?

I've only had one cup skim so far, and it was ok- I didn't rinse with vinegar or anything. Just dropped it in and fired it up. Alot easier than my turbofloat.

I have the IN-100

newmoon · 12/30/2008, 07:25 AM

Ordered a IN 180 from PA! Want to compare it to the Octo X 200 I'm using now

mojo~ · 12/30/2008, 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by newmoon
Ordered a IN 180 from PA! Want to compare it to the Octo X 200 I'm using now

That will be interesting as I would think the Vertex wouldnt have much chance matched up to the sicce pump on the octo X 200.

newmoon · 12/30/2008, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mojo46825
That will be interesting as I would think the Vertex wouldnt have much chance matched up to the sicce pump on the octo X 200.

Maybe if I was using the mesh with my Octo 200. But from what I heard so far, the IN 180 pushes more air than the Octo X 200 using the Pinwheel, 32 SCFH against 20-24 SCFH from the PW Octo. It sounds also that the IN 180 may be easier to keep "adjusted".
Let's see. Many pictures/videos will follow.

newmoon · 12/30/2008, 08:38 AM

By the way, where's the pictures guys?? We NEED more pictures here! Show off these skimmers!

mojo~ · 12/30/2008, 08:41 AM

well I dont have mine anymore.I have the WM K2 right now... I am not sure what my next one will be lol. I would like to see what the 180 does.

Labman48076 · 12/30/2008, 08:42 AM

intresting I know that on my 100 if the pin wheel breaks I am going to mesh mod it too see what happens hopefully that will be a while before I get to try that. most likely somebody will have already tried it 1st

mojo~ · 12/30/2008, 08:44 AM

oh not sure if you have an air meter . but the sicce will run backwards and pull less air. it is really hard to tell without a meter. I would of never thought but it does make a huge difference.
Start and stop it a few times with a meter hooked up and you will see. its about a 8 or so scfh difference. I suprised this doesnt get talked about more but it is a downside of these pumps. Sorry off topic but I would like to see the in 180

newmoon · 12/30/2008, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mojo46825
well I dont have mine anymore.I have the WM K2 right now... I am not sure what my next one will be lol. I would like to see what the 180 does.

LOL, you are just like me. I'm always searching/testing/selling skimmers. Have been in the hobby for almost 20 years and had way too many. Used one of the very first ETS skimmers back in the days(ETS 1000)! lol
That WM you have seems like a sweet skimmer. I will probably get their new cone when it's released. I'm also thinking about getting the new Hurricone from Coral Vue, with the Askol 1500.

newmoon · 12/30/2008, 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mojo46825
oh not sure if you have an air meter . but the sicce will run backwards and pull less air. it is really hard to tell without a meter. I would of never thought but it does make a huge difference.
Start and stop it a few times with a meter hooked up and you will see. its about a 8 or so scfh difference. I suprised this doesnt get talked about more but it is a downside of these pumps. Sorry off topic but I would like to see the in 180

That's interesting. Seems like these pumps(Sicce) are very "sensitive".
As soon as I get the IN 180 I will be posting my thoughts and pictures/videos. Hang in there!

In the meantime, who's going to post more IN 180 pictures here? C'mon folks...

mojo~ · 12/30/2008, 09:05 AM

I think the hurricone is nice. it looks like a modded msx skimmer. The transition is longer and I believe the neck is even bigger to handle the increase in air. Looks promising. Really its oversized for my system though. I will probably downsize to a K1 when it comes out. I will say the vertex is great for the $$$. the build quality is good. But compared to what I have now it night and day. Thats why i say the in 100 is hard to beat for under $200. after the $200 mark the competition starts heating up with the msx octo x line. Hard to beat the msx 200 for $280. And the sicce I have the WM skimmer pulls about 42 scfh on pinwheel. Granted its a cone, so it will have more head pressure on a cylinder skimmer. But probably about 36 or so I would guess. Well time will tell. I am not all about spending a ton of money to get good results. But Don't mind spending the Extra $$ if it gets me what I want. Those of you with the vertex already know that it basically uses the euro reef body. The bubble plate sits a little high for my taste but I think they do that to ensure no microbubbles. the pump could be a better quality even though I didn't have any issues with mine it seems like the quality control on the resun pump could be a little better. PA is awesome and its great to see them taking care of it. Jeremy and Jason are great to deal with. Good luck and looking forward to the comparison.

newmoon · 12/30/2008, 09:14 AM

So you have the WM K2 cone already? Where did you get it?
I feel my Octo X 200 will be for sale soon. Something tells me that the IN 180 will kick his butt in the easier to mantain/better performance category.

JACOXVIII · 12/30/2008, 09:21 AM

i just ordered the in-250 but worried that i should of got the
msx/octo x 200

mojo~ · 12/30/2008, 09:23 AM

I got an early release to review. They are actually finishing up the first batch now I believe. Havent talk to Jon in a couple days. I would be curious too how many watts the in 180 pulls as well.

frenchie · 12/30/2008, 11:24 AM

i've got my pics of 180 and a video already, i need to get an air meter so i can get some numbers.

frenchie · 12/30/2008, 11:31 AM

i hate when new skimmers come out cause makes you want to buy them all, the hurricone looks like it might be a good skimmer but i like the cone skimmers and these vertex and euroreefs cause they have smooth transition for bubbles. I didn't want a skimmer with sicces pumps cause i heard to much stuff about restarts and i don't want to have to mod a skimmer to get good production when vertex skimmers pull 30's already. I think when people mod the skimmers to pull more air you pull alot less water and makes me wonder if the skimmer is filtering enough water.
i wonder what the gph is of all big name skimmers out. I know vertex 180 is a 1000 gph.

frenchie · 12/30/2008, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JACOXVIII
i just ordered the in-250 but worried that i should of got the
msx/octo x 200

you will be happy with it, this skimmer actually has made a big difference on my tank i've used 2 different kinds of octopus skimmers on my tank both pulled alot of thick skimmate constantly. this skimmer did for first 3 cups and now it is skimming lighter and tank is lookin better cause this skimmer is strong enough to catch up with bioload and my octos never did people kept telling me eventually my skimmate should be lighter.

newmoon · 12/30/2008, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by d.french
i've got my pics of 180 and a video already, i need to get an air meter so i can get some numbers.

Don't be shy, post more!

spoofer · 12/30/2008, 12:50 PM

i will get some pic's tonight- so far so good

frenchie · 12/30/2008, 12:57 PM

these skimmers are beast, i am also part of the vertex ate my fish club , just a warning if you got small fish that end up in sump. Found my pseudochromis in my pinwheel.

mike77 · 12/30/2008, 02:15 PM

Premium Aquatics
Vertex 180
$214

Appreciate the thread and all the input and opinions for and ag'in.

Considered Octo and EV180.
Jason's recs: EV 180 may be more powerful, but in real world use, will tend to go out of adjustment more often, so the Vertex is likely to be the better overall performer.

Mike77

mike77 · 12/30/2008, 02:19 PM

An Aside....

Quote:

Originally posted by d.french
these skimmers are beast, i am also part of the vertex ate my fish club , just a warning if you got small fish that end up in sump. Found my pseudochromis in my pinwheel.

I use the gettanked.com filter bags to avoid just this. I have pulled a neon gobi and countless lettuce nudi's out of my filter bags. I have soaked them for as long as 10 or 14 days (that was an oops) in strong bleach without them falling apart at the seams. The longer in the bleach, the quicker they spray clean.

frenchie · 12/30/2008, 02:31 PM

glad you didn't get ev180 heard you have to tinker with it all the time never is consistent. For the price i have recommended vertex or extreme octopus.

i just can't pull myself to spend 800 bucks or more on a skimmer when you can spend 200-300 bucks and get a good skimmer that gets the job done also.

frenchie · 12/30/2008, 02:32 PM

i want to spend my money on coral and tons of frags.

shramj · 12/30/2008, 03:02 PM

I am planning on getting the Oceanic Tech Series 120g and stand. I think I am going to buy the Vertex 180. I was just curious if anyone with this tank/stand has this skimmer for it? This will be the first piece for my new tank.

12/30/2008, 07:24 AM	#476
spoofer Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Uptown-Chicago, IL Posts: 654	I got mine installed on Friday and it's been running good for the last few days- it was a real easy set up, dialling in with the tube was pretty easy, little stiff in movement, but overal it's a solid design. Did anyone put any silcon on the adjustment tube to make it easier to turn? I've only had one cup skim so far, and it was ok- I didn't rinse with vinegar or anything. Just dropped it in and fired it up. Alot easier than my turbofloat. I have the IN-100 __________________ "Nothing good ever happened fast in a Reef Aquarium- there is no quick fix's to Reef tanks!" Current Tank Info: 120g Tech Tank, Vortech MP40, Apex, ATI 8x54, Vertex IN-180, Mag 9.5, Phos & Carb Reactors, Kalk Drip via reefdosingpumps.com sentry model, 40 gallon Breeder DYI Sump

12/30/2008, 07:25 AM	#477
newmoon Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: N. Miami Beach Posts: 1,622	Ordered a IN 180 from PA! Want to compare it to the Octo X 200 I'm using now __________________ "But you have heard of me."

12/30/2008, 08:38 AM	#480
newmoon Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: N. Miami Beach Posts: 1,622	By the way, where's the pictures guys?? We NEED more pictures here! Show off these skimmers! __________________ "But you have heard of me."

12/30/2008, 08:41 AM	#481
mojo~ Skimmer Guy Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: IN Posts: 5,647	well I dont have mine anymore.I have the WM K2 right now... I am not sure what my next one will be lol. I would like to see what the 180 does. __________________ Mojo~

12/30/2008, 08:42 AM	#482
Labman48076 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Southfield,MI Posts: 356	intresting I know that on my 100 if the pin wheel breaks I am going to mesh mod it too see what happens hopefully that will be a while before I get to try that. most likely somebody will have already tried it 1st __________________ “I have tried lately to read Shakespeare, and found it so intolerably dull that it nauseated me.” Charles Darwin quote (PBITAWA) Current Tank Info: 194 gallons 50 gallon sump ATI skimmer 2 vortechs RK2

12/30/2008, 08:44 AM	#483
mojo~ Skimmer Guy Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: IN Posts: 5,647	oh not sure if you have an air meter . but the sicce will run backwards and pull less air. it is really hard to tell without a meter. I would of never thought but it does make a huge difference. Start and stop it a few times with a meter hooked up and you will see. its about a 8 or so scfh difference. I suprised this doesnt get talked about more but it is a downside of these pumps. Sorry off topic but I would like to see the in 180 __________________ Mojo~

12/30/2008, 09:05 AM	#486
mojo~ Skimmer Guy Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: IN Posts: 5,647	I think the hurricone is nice. it looks like a modded msx skimmer. The transition is longer and I believe the neck is even bigger to handle the increase in air. Looks promising. Really its oversized for my system though. I will probably downsize to a K1 when it comes out. I will say the vertex is great for the $$$. the build quality is good. But compared to what I have now it night and day. Thats why i say the in 100 is hard to beat for under $200. after the $200 mark the competition starts heating up with the msx octo x line. Hard to beat the msx 200 for $280. And the sicce I have the WM skimmer pulls about 42 scfh on pinwheel. Granted its a cone, so it will have more head pressure on a cylinder skimmer. But probably about 36 or so I would guess. Well time will tell. I am not all about spending a ton of money to get good results. But Don't mind spending the Extra $$ if it gets me what I want. Those of you with the vertex already know that it basically uses the euro reef body. The bubble plate sits a little high for my taste but I think they do that to ensure no microbubbles. the pump could be a better quality even though I didn't have any issues with mine it seems like the quality control on the resun pump could be a little better. PA is awesome and its great to see them taking care of it. Jeremy and Jason are great to deal with. Good luck and looking forward to the comparison. __________________ Mojo~

12/30/2008, 09:14 AM	#487
newmoon Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: N. Miami Beach Posts: 1,622	So you have the WM K2 cone already? Where did you get it? I feel my Octo X 200 will be for sale soon. Something tells me that the IN 180 will kick his butt in the easier to mantain/better performance category. __________________ "But you have heard of me."

12/30/2008, 09:21 AM	#488
JACOXVIII Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: KC MO Posts: 248	i just ordered the in-250 but worried that i should of got the msx/octo x 200

12/30/2008, 09:23 AM	#489
mojo~ Skimmer Guy Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: IN Posts: 5,647	I got an early release to review. They are actually finishing up the first batch now I believe. Havent talk to Jon in a couple days. I would be curious too how many watts the in 180 pulls as well. __________________ Mojo~

12/30/2008, 11:24 AM	#490
frenchie Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,730	i've got my pics of 180 and a video already, i need to get an air meter so i can get some numbers. __________________ Darrick slash member 24 gallon nano cube, LED lights, zoanthids, shrooms Current Tank Info: 93 gallon cube, ecotech LED, swc 160 cone skimmer, lots of softies

12/30/2008, 11:31 AM	#491
frenchie Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,730	i hate when new skimmers come out cause makes you want to buy them all, the hurricone looks like it might be a good skimmer but i like the cone skimmers and these vertex and euroreefs cause they have smooth transition for bubbles. I didn't want a skimmer with sicces pumps cause i heard to much stuff about restarts and i don't want to have to mod a skimmer to get good production when vertex skimmers pull 30's already. I think when people mod the skimmers to pull more air you pull alot less water and makes me wonder if the skimmer is filtering enough water. i wonder what the gph is of all big name skimmers out. I know vertex 180 is a 1000 gph. __________________ Darrick slash member 24 gallon nano cube, LED lights, zoanthids, shrooms Current Tank Info: 93 gallon cube, ecotech LED, swc 160 cone skimmer, lots of softies

12/30/2008, 12:50 PM	#494
spoofer Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Uptown-Chicago, IL Posts: 654	i will get some pic's tonight- so far so good __________________ "Nothing good ever happened fast in a Reef Aquarium- there is no quick fix's to Reef tanks!" Current Tank Info: 120g Tech Tank, Vortech MP40, Apex, ATI 8x54, Vertex IN-180, Mag 9.5, Phos & Carb Reactors, Kalk Drip via reefdosingpumps.com sentry model, 40 gallon Breeder DYI Sump

12/30/2008, 12:57 PM	#495
frenchie Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,730	these skimmers are beast, i am also part of the vertex ate my fish club , just a warning if you got small fish that end up in sump. Found my pseudochromis in my pinwheel. __________________ Darrick slash member 24 gallon nano cube, LED lights, zoanthids, shrooms Current Tank Info: 93 gallon cube, ecotech LED, swc 160 cone skimmer, lots of softies

12/30/2008, 02:15 PM	#496
mike77 Registered Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 7	Vertex 180 ordered Premium Aquatics Vertex 180 $214 Appreciate the thread and all the input and opinions for and ag'in. Considered Octo and EV180. Jason's recs: EV 180 may be more powerful, but in real world use, will tend to go out of adjustment more often, so the Vertex is likely to be the better overall performer. Mike77

12/30/2008, 02:31 PM	#498
frenchie Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,730	glad you didn't get ev180 heard you have to tinker with it all the time never is consistent. For the price i have recommended vertex or extreme octopus. i just can't pull myself to spend 800 bucks or more on a skimmer when you can spend 200-300 bucks and get a good skimmer that gets the job done also. __________________ Darrick slash member 24 gallon nano cube, LED lights, zoanthids, shrooms Current Tank Info: 93 gallon cube, ecotech LED, swc 160 cone skimmer, lots of softies

12/30/2008, 02:32 PM	#499
frenchie Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,730	i want to spend my money on coral and tons of frags. __________________ Darrick slash member 24 gallon nano cube, LED lights, zoanthids, shrooms Current Tank Info: 93 gallon cube, ecotech LED, swc 160 cone skimmer, lots of softies

12/30/2008, 03:02 PM	#500
shramj Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 525	I am planning on getting the Oceanic Tech Series 120g and stand. I think I am going to buy the Vertex 180. I was just curious if anyone with this tank/stand has this skimmer for it? This will be the first piece for my new tank.