Eel Identification with pic? Help me out here - Page 5

luther1200 · 04/02/2009, 02:41 PM

It says eye is mid mouth, and large. looks like a large mid mouth eye in the pics.

rendogg · 04/02/2009, 02:51 PM

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Originally posted by luther1200
It says eye is mid mouth, and large. looks like a large mid mouth eye in the pics.

You should be a taxonomist....not!

luther1200 · 04/02/2009, 02:58 PM

What an intelligent response.

rendogg · 04/02/2009, 03:00 PM

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Originally posted by luther1200
What an intelligent response.

Let's not forget who I'm communicating with.... definitely not trying to impress you.

luther1200 · 04/02/2009, 03:02 PM

Well your doing a good job then.

LobsterOfJustice · 04/02/2009, 03:23 PM

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Originally posted by rendogg
You should be a taxonomist....not!

this suit is black pause not

Littleg182 · 04/02/2009, 03:25 PM

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Originally posted by tcmfish
Hey just so you know that fish does not occur in Florida. It lives in the Eastern Pacific.

Check the suitable habitat on the map, high likelyhood. It is possible to find them in these areas. http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/spec...me=triserialis

Littleg182 · 04/02/2009, 03:34 PM

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Originally posted by freddy4130
The description clearly says, a few times, that the. Mexican eel has no fin on the tail. Obviously, the eel pictures above have been modified.

Found this picture, http://www.discoverlife.org/20/q?sea...ialis&b=FB2657 shows the flared out portion of the dorsal and anal fins near the tail similar to the tail picture I put up. I have yet to see any Juvenile pictures to compare them to the ones I found though. The Ophichthus triserialis description also talks about an "overhanging snout" but i'm pretty positive that mostly occurs once they reach maturity.

Littleg182 · 04/02/2009, 03:46 PM

Just found this as well, three different species: Ophichthus triserialis, ophis and erabo...all have the same scientific name of Ophichthus triserialis but have split into those three separate names. http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/spec...iesname=ophis. Ophis shows a range around Florida, while triserialis is mainly located in the Pacific. However Ophis does not have the same characteristics as the eels that I found (dark band across back of head...mine do not) Oh and just for fun Importance: fisheries: subsistence fisheries; bait: usually

vito is hooked · 04/02/2009, 03:50 PM

I,ve seen those EEL,s at BOCA GRANDE POINT, tried to catch a couple, but they vanished in the sand. Pretty KOOL stuff!

Littleg182 · 04/02/2009, 03:55 PM

Yes, they are quick diggers, tail first very kool indeed! And it's a good thing I haven't tried the whole eating of them thing Dangerous: reports of ciguatera poisoning

Littleg182 · 04/02/2009, 05:11 PM

I take it back, might be some type of spoon-nosed eel. However, Fanned out dorsal and anal fins towards base of tail, larger spots, spots located ON the dorsal do not match them. The head does match them though. I give up...identifying juvenile fish is not easy. This has been an interesting thread but I'm done in here. I can't wait till the next time I find something interesting, bring it home, and try to id it! Hopefully I can create an even bigger storm than this one

darkdruid · 04/02/2009, 10:54 PM

I've been reading the thread and it's amazing how many people have given you grief for catching them. Especially since most of them have tanks full of fish someone else caught. I guess it's ok if you have someone else catch your fish for you, but not if you do it yourself.

I make collecting trips to Florida several times a year and get all kinds of cool stuff, and I plan on continuing to do it too. Unless everything in your tank is aquacultured, all the rocks, coral, fish, etc...comment but don't condemn.

erichatesmice · 04/02/2009, 11:18 PM

You might as well see if they taste any good.

RumLad · 04/03/2009, 07:54 AM

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Originally posted by darkdruid

I make collecting trips to Florida several times a year and get all kinds of cool stuff, and I plan on continuing to do it too. Unless everything in your tank is aquacultured, all the rocks, coral, fish, etc...comment but don't condemn.

Do you capture more than you plan to keep

freddy4130 · 04/03/2009, 08:01 AM

Still? Really?

LobsterOfJustice · 04/03/2009, 08:01 AM

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Originally posted by RumLad
Do you capture more than you plan to keep

Con't speak for that guy, but yes, collectors for the aquarium industry do.

rendogg · 04/03/2009, 09:30 AM

freddy4130- Yes, really!

Lobterofjustice- That comment sounded defensive. Why do you keep hiding behind the industry....passing the buck? Yes, unethical practices exist in the industry, they also exist with hobbyists who want to collect their own stuff.

I'm not saying everyone who collects something here and there is a bad person. I am saying that there needs to be accountability when collecting, not only on a commercial scale but on a private scale as well. We, as hobbyists, need to be ambassadors of our hobby, having an aquarium with life in it is a privilege not a right. If we don't start acting like ambassadors and keep raping the beaches and water, we may lose our privilege. And that will be the fault of irresponsible practices, both commercial and private. The hobby is shifting towards cultured coral, tank bred fish, even cultured live rock. We need to keep progressing not regressing. Why revert back to and support old archaic ways that are unsustainable? Are you part of the problem or part of the solution?

freddy4130 · 04/03/2009, 11:12 AM

Well, I say you are wrong. This is not a matter of rights. He has the right to do whatever the freak he wants as long as he does not infringe on someone else's right in doing so. So yeah, it is absolutely my right, and yours too to keep an aquarium with fish in it.

freddy4130 · 04/03/2009, 11:17 AM

The irony is that the eels are in the aquarium but you people are the ones living in the glass box.

rendogg · 04/03/2009, 11:28 AM

Hmm, interesting perspectives freddy4130. I see you're "back to school",BTW, what grade would you be in to have developed such wise perspectives?

rendogg · 04/03/2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally posted by Littleg182
Yes, they are quick diggers, tail first very kool indeed! And it's a good thing I haven't tried the whole eating of them thing Dangerous: reports of ciguatera poisoning

Oh darn, I thought BS, erichatesmice, and yourself were going to fry them up and eat them.... too bad.

DaytonaJoe · 04/03/2009, 01:06 PM

This has to be one of the most entertaining threads ever, between the guy with the fishing avatar lecturing everyone that wild collection is wrong and the suggestion that we go give each other massages. But to top it all off, the eels turn out to be an invasive species not native to Florida! hahahaha

freddy4130 · 04/03/2009, 01:16 PM

I'm more worried about invasive posters, not native to this thread.

jbird69 · 04/03/2009, 01:51 PM

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Originally posted by DaytonaJoe
This has to be one of the most entertaining threads ever, between the guy with the fishing avatar lecturing everyone that wild collection is wrong and the suggestion that we go give each other massages. But to top it all off, the eels turn out to be an invasive species not native to Florida! hahahaha

What you dont know about my avatar is I now how that fish living in my nano cube, so I can catch him whenever I want!

So, by the way, how are your eels doing today??

04/02/2009, 02:41 PM	#101
luther1200 Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NJ, shore Posts: 4,376	It says eye is mid mouth, and large. looks like a large mid mouth eye in the pics. __________________ Matt, 65G reef tank Current Tank Info: 65g reef, mix of sps, lps, few softies. Hoping to upgrade within the year.

04/02/2009, 02:58 PM	#103
luther1200 Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NJ, shore Posts: 4,376	What an intelligent response. __________________ Matt, 65G reef tank Current Tank Info: 65g reef, mix of sps, lps, few softies. Hoping to upgrade within the year.

04/02/2009, 03:02 PM	#105
luther1200 Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NJ, shore Posts: 4,376	Well your doing a good job then. __________________ Matt, 65G reef tank Current Tank Info: 65g reef, mix of sps, lps, few softies. Hoping to upgrade within the year.

04/02/2009, 03:46 PM	#109
Littleg182 Registered Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: FL Posts: 126	Just found this as well, three different species: Ophichthus triserialis, ophis and erabo...all have the same scientific name of Ophichthus triserialis but have split into those three separate names. http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/spec...iesname=ophis. Ophis shows a range around Florida, while triserialis is mainly located in the Pacific. However Ophis does not have the same characteristics as the eels that I found (dark band across back of head...mine do not) Oh and just for fun Importance: fisheries: subsistence fisheries; bait: usually __________________ 90 Reef 3x20 Gallon holding/breeding/frag system 2.5 Gallon Other Various tanks Koi Pond and Aquarium Set-up and Maintenance

04/02/2009, 03:50 PM	#110
vito is hooked Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Port Charlotte FL Posts: 845	I,ve seen those EEL,s at BOCA GRANDE POINT, tried to catch a couple, but they vanished in the sand. Pretty KOOL stuff! __________________ IT'S THE SAME THING-ONLY DIFFERENT Current Tank Info: 300gal with 180gal Ref/Sump M/H lighting 2-175 watt 10.000 K 3 150watt 15.000 K 8 blue actinics 4 Purple OCTOPUS Extreme-X200 Skimmer Max Flow 4200gph Return

04/02/2009, 03:55 PM	#111
Littleg182 Registered Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: FL Posts: 126	Yes, they are quick diggers, tail first very kool indeed! And it's a good thing I haven't tried the whole eating of them thing Dangerous: reports of ciguatera poisoning __________________ 90 Reef 3x20 Gallon holding/breeding/frag system 2.5 Gallon Other Various tanks Koi Pond and Aquarium Set-up and Maintenance

04/02/2009, 05:11 PM	#112
Littleg182 Registered Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: FL Posts: 126	I take it back, might be some type of spoon-nosed eel. However, Fanned out dorsal and anal fins towards base of tail, larger spots, spots located ON the dorsal do not match them. The head does match them though. I give up...identifying juvenile fish is not easy. This has been an interesting thread but I'm done in here. I can't wait till the next time I find something interesting, bring it home, and try to id it! Hopefully I can create an even bigger storm than this one __________________ 90 Reef 3x20 Gallon holding/breeding/frag system 2.5 Gallon Other Various tanks Koi Pond and Aquarium Set-up and Maintenance

04/02/2009, 10:54 PM	#113
darkdruid Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 520	I've been reading the thread and it's amazing how many people have given you grief for catching them. Especially since most of them have tanks full of fish someone else caught. I guess it's ok if you have someone else catch your fish for you, but not if you do it yourself. I make collecting trips to Florida several times a year and get all kinds of cool stuff, and I plan on continuing to do it too. Unless everything in your tank is aquacultured, all the rocks, coral, fish, etc...comment but don't condemn. __________________ Get all the fools on your side and you can be elected to anything. Current Tank Info: 46 gallon bowfront and 35 gallon mixed reefs, several 10 and 20 gallon frag tanks, beginning a 125 build

04/02/2009, 11:18 PM	#114
erichatesmice Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 325	You might as well see if they taste any good. __________________ mint wuv wubabio!

04/03/2009, 08:01 AM	#116
freddy4130 Moved On Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 360	Still? Really?

04/03/2009, 09:30 AM	#118
rendogg Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Abbotsford, B.C. Posts: 578	freddy4130- Yes, really! Lobterofjustice- That comment sounded defensive. Why do you keep hiding behind the industry....passing the buck? Yes, unethical practices exist in the industry, they also exist with hobbyists who want to collect their own stuff. I'm not saying everyone who collects something here and there is a bad person. I am saying that there needs to be accountability when collecting, not only on a commercial scale but on a private scale as well. We, as hobbyists, need to be ambassadors of our hobby, having an aquarium with life in it is a privilege not a right. If we don't start acting like ambassadors and keep raping the beaches and water, we may lose our privilege. And that will be the fault of irresponsible practices, both commercial and private. The hobby is shifting towards cultured coral, tank bred fish, even cultured live rock. We need to keep progressing not regressing. Why revert back to and support old archaic ways that are unsustainable? Are you part of the problem or part of the solution?

04/03/2009, 11:12 AM	#119
freddy4130 Moved On Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 360	Well, I say you are wrong. This is not a matter of rights. He has the right to do whatever the freak he wants as long as he does not infringe on someone else's right in doing so. So yeah, it is absolutely my right, and yours too to keep an aquarium with fish in it.

04/03/2009, 11:17 AM	#120
freddy4130 Moved On Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 360	The irony is that the eels are in the aquarium but you people are the ones living in the glass box.

04/03/2009, 11:28 AM	#121
rendogg Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Abbotsford, B.C. Posts: 578	Hmm, interesting perspectives freddy4130. I see you're "back to school",BTW, what grade would you be in to have developed such wise perspectives?

04/03/2009, 01:06 PM	#123
DaytonaJoe Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Warwick, Rhode Island Posts: 201	This has to be one of the most entertaining threads ever, between the guy with the fishing avatar lecturing everyone that wild collection is wrong and the suggestion that we go give each other massages. But to top it all off, the eels turn out to be an invasive species not native to Florida! hahahaha __________________ ______________________________________________________________________________ Joe's tank in progress... 60g Shallow SPS reef

04/03/2009, 01:16 PM	#124
freddy4130 Moved On Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 360	I'm more worried about invasive posters, not native to this thread.