Why the heck didn't I quarantine?

[Michael]

forget my last comment cloruro, i have just had a look and cant find anything so im more than likely wrong with my clown fish comment

[aquamanSD]

Had one disaster when i just got my 300 DT up and running and didn't know enough about the hobby. I didn't have a QT at the time. I was putting fish in like crazy and having cycling problems but the real kicker was dosing treatment once one had ich and in a tank that big with tons of plants in the fuge and having the treatments killed my plants and just ruined the water quality... That was a long lasting nightmare on my stupidy and lack of knowledge.

I started quaranteening fish and i actually have better luck not QT'ing fish cause they get so stressed in my little 20 gallon QT and don't do well. So far i've been very lucky as i've had ich a few times in my 380 DT with about 20 fish but its went away on its own both times with no treatments. Seems like if fish are good and healthy they do not catch the diseases as easy in such a big tank where they are comfortable.

I guess i just need a bigger QT cause its asking for trouble. Sometimes its just hard to QT a fish like an 8" naso for example...

[H.Veras]

hey i got my tank running for about two months already.. last weekend i bought two chromis and last night i saw that one of them got ich.... what should i do.. i do not have a QT tank, what should i do.. another question is my water contaminated already or not?

[Aquarist007]

Originally posted by Toddrtrex
I have QT'ed twice in all my years --- once for a pair of WC clowns (( was worried about brook, they didn't get it )) and right now for a female Potter's angel that I am going to pair up --- just wanted her eating before I do the pairing.

I have never had a tank wiped out from not QT'ing, never lost a fish to ick -- have had a few get it, but they recovered on their own, with no intervention from me -- unless you count making sure the water parameters were spot on.

I can see the benefits of it, and would recommend it for most people. But for me, putting a fish in an established tank, with stable water parameters, lots of live rock -- for picking at -- is better then putting them in a sterile QT which could have unstable water parameters.

I was really hoping that this thread did not turn into an attitude thread on whether to qt or not, Todd, and I was really looking for your support to do that which IMO you are not.
Please please support me by leaving the attitude off here and let this thread collect real cases of problems with ich.
Hoping you will support my request.
Scott

[Toddrtrex]

Originally posted by capn_hylinur
I was really hoping that this thread did not turn into an attitude thread on whether to qt or not, Todd, and I was really looking for your support to do that which IMO you are not.
Please please support me by leaving the attitude off here and let this thread collect real cases of problems with ich.
Hoping you will support my request.
Scott

And I have attitude? I guess since my opinion/experiences are different I shouldn't voice them?


But, I will honor your request and stay out of your threads.

[Aquarist007]

Originally posted by BangkokMatt
Oh c'mon! Yes..ich can kill but usually only if other factors are involved which cause undue stress to the fish. The majority of reef tanks carry ich (QT'd or not)but with good water quality and stable params it poses no real threat and will usually clear up quickly.

This is a petty thread based and posted due comments made in another thread. What's the point? Some QT some don't!

Of course Qting properly will help in avoiding these situations but many successful tanks run by experienced reefers don't QT all fish / rocks / corals etc.

no---this thread has a very distinct purpose which I outlined very clearly in my first post.
IMO there are consequences both heartbreaking and expensive to chosing not to quarantine-----and I believe someone new to the reef deserves to see them posted----not just the one side cavalier approach that was being given to them on the other theread

Further what gives you the right to judge a thread or a posters reply as petty--I don't see moderator after your avitar.

I believe you owe me a small apology for using the term "petty" which is nothing more then a personal judgment--not a discussion of facts or ideas.

If you don't have a case of ich or disease to report then I would please appreciate it if your took your attitude towards qt'ing to one of the many many threads on here related to qt-ing or not qt'ing.

[Aquarist007]

Originally posted by H.Veras
hey i got my tank running for about two months already.. last weekend i bought two chromis and last night i saw that one of them got ich.... what should i do.. i do not have a QT tank, what should i do.. another question is my water contaminated already or not?

hop over to water keepers thread---there are excellent answers there:

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...readid=1500214

I'd love to help you here by am trying to keep this thread on track of collecting undisputable information



I took the liberty of reposting your questions and an answer there

[tspors]

For every disaster you will find no disaster. I personally have never QT a fish. I have never lost a fish. I think this is hit or miss. If the fish has been housed and is healty, you need to minimize stress before introducing into DT. Sometime the QT alone is excess stress. I have read to many posts about people having QT or not, and 3-6 months later Crypto/Ich sets in. So I think again a personal choice for maybe false sence of security.
capn_hylinur
Is it possible there is no validity thus the responses?

[unleashed13]

out of curiosity do happen to have any pics of that huge porc puffer that is at Toledo zoo?? i think people should really see this guy.. Ive hunted all over for pics of the Toledo zoo aquarium exhibits and haven't found any yet.. i moved to northern mich about 2 yrs ago so i haven't had a chance to get back down to see if anything is new

[NiTr0x911]

How does Toddrtrex's statement show additude? I don't see it

[Aquarist007]

Originally posted by Toddrtrex
And I have attitude? I guess since my opinion/experiences are different I shouldn't voice them?


But, I will honor your request and stay out of your threads.

You certainly don't have an attitude---I guess poor choice of words---it should have been "opinion"
I was trying to keep the opinions as to qt'ing or not qt'lng out of this particular thread

Todd, sorry to have offended you with the word attitude----I respect your opinions and expertise and if you stayed out of my posts it would be a loss for everyone.
I think we have both known each other on here long enough to know that we are both dedicated to helping others so I hope you will accept my humble apology for the poor choice of a word.

[Aquarist007]

Originally posted by NiTr0x911
How does Toddrtrex's statement show additude? I don't see it

a very poor choice of word on my part---it should have used the word "opinion---I was trying to keep this thread away from the discussion of whether to quarantine or not. That has be discussed many times before and "opinion is either for or it is not necessary.
so I apologize to you and anyone else I offended by the word attitude

[unleashed13]

I guess i just need a bigger QT cause its asking for trouble. Sometimes its just hard to QT a fish like an 8" naso for example.

i think may be alot of many hobbiest issues when it comes to qt. several hobbiest keep a 10 or 20 gal as a qt..this is fine for those with small fish only but once you get into as you say 4-10 in fish or multiples that need to be quarantined it doesn't quite work out ... I don't always qt my new comers it depends where i get them from ..how old they are.. what condition they are in as in appearance.. etc.. I do however always add melafix to my DT each time I add a new fish whether I QT it or not .. for those that don't have a qt to set up I highly recommend getting one .. they dont have to be state of the art equipment bare essentials at least.. if you have small fish then do a 20 gal but if you house larger fish I suggest 50gal or larger..the larger the qt the easier I found to keep perimeters and stress levels at best.

[aquamanSD]

Originally posted by unleashed13
i think may be alot of many hobbiest issues when it comes to qt. several hobbiest keep a 10 or 20 gal as a qt..this is fine for those with small fish only but once you get into as you say 4-10 in fish or multiples that need to be quarantined it doesn't quite work out ... I don't always qt my new comers it depends where i get them from ..how old they are.. what condition they are in as in appearance.. etc.. I do however always add melafix to my DT each time I add a new fish whether I QT it or not .. for those that don't have a qt to set up I highly recommend getting one .. they dont have to be state of the art equipment bare essentials at least.. if you have small fish then do a 20 gal but if you house larger fish I suggest 50gal or larger..the larger the qt the easier I found to keep perimeters and stress levels at best.

I totally agree!! I do the exact same thing

[SaltyDr]

I'm dealing with flatworms now. Not sure exactly where they came from, but didn't QT coral purchases, so I guess that is where. Live and learn. Best to learn from OTHERS mistakes.