New direction.....180 gallon in wall build! - Page 3

shawna1972 · 09/17/2009, 11:18 AM

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Originally posted by Henry Colf
Shawna, you'll do fine just take the advice given and if your not happy with the responses ask again, we are all trying to obtain the same goal. To have our own little slice of the ocean in our homes. Just remember that this hobby is a lobour of love and it always doesn't come easy... so with that keep asking questions and keep on posting the pics...............

I will and thanks!
Just recieved my Mag 18 so we'll be figuriing out the plumbing Sunday!
Still have to get some spa flex , Are the pool stores still open? where else can I find this locally?

lcs · 09/17/2009, 11:23 AM

I was able to get spa flex at Lowes. Do you have a Lowes or Home Depot out your way? Although I'm not sure if Home Depot carries it, I don't have one in my neck of the woods.

jfl14609 · 09/17/2009, 11:28 AM

Loos great Again I am going to stress what Gary sad the only thing I see as an issue is no front access. I have an in wall and trust me everything is a pain if there isnt one. for instance you know when that coral falls and you need to pick it up. since the back is painted black you cant see it not to mention doing your rock stack and putting the corals in to begin with. Just some advice but I would seriously think about it. you wont regret it

shawna1972 · 09/17/2009, 05:33 PM

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Originally posted by lcs
I was able to get spa flex at Lowes. Do you have a Lowes or Home Depot out your way? Although I'm not sure if Home Depot carries it, I don't have one in my neck of the woods.

Yes I do,Thanks Ill check it out

shawna1972 · 09/17/2009, 05:38 PM

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Originally posted by jfl14609
Loos great Again I am going to stress what Gary sad the only thing I see as an issue is no front access. I have an in wall and trust me everything is a pain if there isnt one. for instance you know when that coral falls and you need to pick it up. since the back is painted black you cant see it not to mention doing your rock stack and putting the corals in to begin with. Just some advice but I would seriously think about it. you wont regret it

I did think about that,I just do not know what 3-4" is going to do for me ?

Henry Colf · 09/17/2009, 06:23 PM

If you were going to have front access would want to make doors say like 10x12 or something like that, you could make them match you wood work in your room or you could make one big one that swings up and locks so you have full access from the front it would be so much easier for you to do any in tank stuff

shawna1972 · 09/17/2009, 06:32 PM

I would think about that, but my cousin in sooo busy he put some jobs aside to help me out. I do not think I could tackle this on my own.
Its already all framed in.

shawna1972 · 09/18/2009, 12:44 PM

Ok so as I said I got the pump ,Now I just need to figure out how and where to replace the screen (thingy) haha that goes into my sump that the pump attaches too. It's broken as pictured
Can you tell me what that piece is and where I can find one?

jfl14609 · 09/18/2009, 12:47 PM

I dont believe that your pump attaches to the it looks like the screen for an overflow.

Johnny C · 09/18/2009, 01:10 PM

Shawna, just put the sponge over it and you'll be fine!

shawna1972 · 09/18/2009, 05:50 PM

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Originally posted by jfl14609
I dont believe that your pump attaches to the it looks like the screen for an overflow.

lol I may be wrong

pictured below is the sump (bad pic) on the lower right hand side the black piece actually is on the inside of the acrylic and then a bulkhead. I am thinking the pump has to attach to the bulkhead somehow right?

shawna1972 · 09/18/2009, 05:52 PM

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Originally posted by CaliDreaminjC
Shawna, just put the sponge over it and you'll be fine!

sponge?

Johnny C · 09/18/2009, 06:07 PM

The mag pumps usually come with a sponge that fits over that plastic piece you showed in the picture. If you dont have any critters or chaeto in the return area you really don't even need to worry about it.

shawna1972 · 09/18/2009, 06:10 PM

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Originally posted by CaliDreaminjC
The mag pumps usually come with a sponge that fits over that plastic piece you showed in the picture. If you dont have any critters or chaeto in the return area you really don't even need to worry about it.

Even if the mag is being used as an external?

Johnny C · 09/18/2009, 06:14 PM

Hmm, I didn't even think they could be run externally. Better ask someone who knows lol sry shawna!

shawna1972 · 09/18/2009, 06:17 PM

lol it's ok

in line or submerged it states.

Henry Colf · 09/18/2009, 06:26 PM

Shawna, your mag drive CAN be used internally or externally. If your sump was to designed to run an external pump there should be a fitting that the pump will thread on to.

shawna1972 · 09/18/2009, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Henry Colf
Shawna, your mag drive CAN be used internally or externally. If your sump was to designed to run an external pump there should be a fitting that the pump will thread on to.

Thanks Henry,
Yes my sump is drilled with one threaded bulkhead for pump, I believe.
TimmyNy is going to come down soon,Depending on his schedule maybe Sunday? and help out with the plumbing.
Of this whole build I'm most worried about the plumbing lol

Gary Majchrzak · 09/18/2009, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CaliDreaminjC
The mag pumps usually come with a sponge that fits over that plastic piece you showed in the picture. If you dont have any critters or chaeto in the return area you really don't even need to worry about it.

exactly.
That's why you have baffles in a sump- to prevent critters or chaeto from entering the pump intake area.
Personally, I wouldn't use the intake screen or any sponge on the intake side of your pump. Never restrict a pump intake.
JMO2: the beauty of a Mag/Supreme pump is their ability to be submersed. Just because there's a bulkhead doesn't mean you have to use it.

dan10342 · 09/18/2009, 07:50 PM

imo an external mag drive pump would be more of a hassle than just plugging the sump bulkhead up and running the pump internally.

shawna1972 · 09/18/2009, 08:08 PM

just out of curiousity why is it a hassle to run externally?
I would think cleaning a sponge every few days to a week would be more of a hassle?

shawna1972 · 09/18/2009, 08:16 PM

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Originally posted by Gary Majchrzak
exactly.
That's why you have baffles in a sump- to prevent critters or chaeto from entering the pump intake area.
Personally, I wouldn't use the intake screen or any sponge on the intake side of your pump. Never restrict a pump intake.
JMO2: the beauty of a Mag/Supreme pump is their ability to be submersed. Just because there's a bulkhead doesn't mean you have to use it.

Thanks Gary,
How do I plug it? what are the pros and cons of inline or submerged?
No sponge or screen on the intake scares me,is that how yours is set up? have you ever had a problem?

Thanks again

Gary Majchrzak · 09/18/2009, 08:21 PM

home repair stores sell a cap that will screw into the bulkhead to seal it. Make sure to use plumbers tape and don't glue the bulkhead shut in case you choose to use an external pump in the future.
No sponge or screen on any of my pump intakes. Baffles.

shawna1972 · 09/18/2009, 08:29 PM

Hmmm ok thanks

belgian_waffleman · 09/18/2009, 08:41 PM

1) submersed is quieter
2) easier plumbing, less elbows is less pressure drop

m2c
Waffleman

09/17/2009, 11:28 AM	#53
jfl14609 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Brockport, ny Posts: 4,940	Loos great Again I am going to stress what Gary sad the only thing I see as an issue is no front access. I have an in wall and trust me everything is a pain if there isnt one. for instance you know when that coral falls and you need to pick it up. since the back is painted black you cant see it not to mention doing your rock stack and putting the corals in to begin with. Just some advice but I would seriously think about it. you wont regret it __________________ Everyone watch carefully someone is about to say something really funny! Current Tank Info: 210 gallon reef

09/17/2009, 06:32 PM	#57
shawna1972 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Buffalo,NY Posts: 2,068	I would think about that, but my cousin in sooo busy he put some jobs aside to help me out. I do not think I could tackle this on my own. Its already all framed in. __________________ Shawna Current Tank Info: 180 gallon in wall,30 gallon sump,mag 18 pump ran external.T5 Nova Extreme Pro lighting,BRS GFO/Carbon reactor,Octopus skimmer,Coralife125 super skimmer.

09/18/2009, 12:44 PM	#58
shawna1972 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Buffalo,NY Posts: 2,068	Ok so as I said I got the pump ,Now I just need to figure out how and where to replace the screen (thingy) haha that goes into my sump that the pump attaches too. It's broken as pictured Can you tell me what that piece is and where I can find one? __________________ Shawna Current Tank Info: 180 gallon in wall,30 gallon sump,mag 18 pump ran external.T5 Nova Extreme Pro lighting,BRS GFO/Carbon reactor,Octopus skimmer,Coralife125 super skimmer.

09/18/2009, 12:47 PM	#59
jfl14609 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Brockport, ny Posts: 4,940	I dont believe that your pump attaches to the it looks like the screen for an overflow. __________________ Everyone watch carefully someone is about to say something really funny! Current Tank Info: 210 gallon reef

09/18/2009, 01:10 PM	#60
Johnny C Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 4,140	Shawna, just put the sponge over it and you'll be fine! __________________ "...the sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonders forever" -Jacques Cousteau

09/17/2009, 11:23 AM	#52
lcs It's Spring!!!!!!! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Brockport, NY Posts: 1,370	I was able to get spa flex at Lowes. Do you have a Lowes or Home Depot out your way? Although I'm not sure if Home Depot carries it, I don't have one in my neck of the woods.

09/17/2009, 06:23 PM	#56
Henry Colf Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Rochester Posts: 2,926	If you were going to have front access would want to make doors say like 10x12 or something like that, you could make them match you wood work in your room or you could make one big one that swings up and locks so you have full access from the front it would be so much easier for you to do any in tank stuff

09/18/2009, 06:07 PM	#63
Johnny C Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 4,140	The mag pumps usually come with a sponge that fits over that plastic piece you showed in the picture. If you dont have any critters or chaeto in the return area you really don't even need to worry about it. __________________ "...the sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonders forever" -Jacques Cousteau

09/18/2009, 06:14 PM	#65
Johnny C Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 4,140	Hmm, I didn't even think they could be run externally. Better ask someone who knows lol sry shawna! __________________ "...the sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonders forever" -Jacques Cousteau

09/18/2009, 06:17 PM	#66
shawna1972 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Buffalo,NY Posts: 2,068	lol it's ok in line or submerged it states. __________________ Shawna Current Tank Info: 180 gallon in wall,30 gallon sump,mag 18 pump ran external.T5 Nova Extreme Pro lighting,BRS GFO/Carbon reactor,Octopus skimmer,Coralife125 super skimmer.

09/18/2009, 06:26 PM	#67
Henry Colf Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Rochester Posts: 2,926	Shawna, your mag drive CAN be used internally or externally. If your sump was to designed to run an external pump there should be a fitting that the pump will thread on to.

09/18/2009, 07:50 PM	#70
dan10342 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Geneseo, NY Posts: 3,331	imo an external mag drive pump would be more of a hassle than just plugging the sump bulkhead up and running the pump internally.

09/18/2009, 08:08 PM	#71
shawna1972 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Buffalo,NY Posts: 2,068	just out of curiousity why is it a hassle to run externally? I would think cleaning a sponge every few days to a week would be more of a hassle? __________________ Shawna Current Tank Info: 180 gallon in wall,30 gallon sump,mag 18 pump ran external.T5 Nova Extreme Pro lighting,BRS GFO/Carbon reactor,Octopus skimmer,Coralife125 super skimmer.

09/18/2009, 08:21 PM	#73
Gary Majchrzak Team RC Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 41,560	home repair stores sell a cap that will screw into the bulkhead to seal it. Make sure to use plumbers tape and don't glue the bulkhead shut in case you choose to use an external pump in the future. No sponge or screen on any of my pump intakes. Baffles. __________________ over 24 years experience with multiple types of marine aquarium systems see Upstate Reef Society Forum on RC and FB GOOGLE JUNIOR'S REEF Current Tank Info: 84x24x30 265g reef past TOTM honors

09/18/2009, 08:29 PM	#74
shawna1972 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Buffalo,NY Posts: 2,068	Hmmm ok thanks __________________ Shawna Current Tank Info: 180 gallon in wall,30 gallon sump,mag 18 pump ran external.T5 Nova Extreme Pro lighting,BRS GFO/Carbon reactor,Octopus skimmer,Coralife125 super skimmer.

09/18/2009, 08:41 PM	#75
belgian_waffleman Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Lockport,NY Posts: 1,309	1) submersed is quieter 2) easier plumbing, less elbows is less pressure drop m2c Waffleman