New direction.....180 gallon in wall build! - Page 4

shawna1972 · 09/19/2009, 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by belgian_waffleman
1) submersed is quieter
2) easier plumbing, less elbows is less pressure drop

m2c
Waffleman

Thanks

gregod · 09/19/2009, 07:42 AM

submersed will also put the heat that the pump puts off into the water, it may be slight but it will reduce the amount that your heater has to turn on.

Gary Majchrzak · 09/19/2009, 08:00 AM

there are many reasons to listen to these voices

now... regarding the front of the aquarium...
get your handyman to cut an access panel above the front top of the tank.

Just do it.

shawna1972 · 09/19/2009, 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by gregod
submersed will also put the heat that the pump puts off into the water, it may be slight but it will reduce the amount that your heater has to turn on.

Why does this sound like a bad thing? I do not not want extra heat in the water right? I do not have a chiller or fans nor the expense of them lol ahhh Im so frustrated.

Gary Majchrzak · 09/19/2009, 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by shawna1972
Why does this sound like a bad thing? I do not not want extra heat in the water right? I do not have a chiller or fans nor the expense of them lol ahhh Im so frustrated.

is the aquarium located in a cool area (such as the basement)?
what type of lights will you be running?
Magdrive/Supremes aren't air cooled pumps. Significant heat transfer will take place either way you run it- submersed or external. The heat transfer can be a good thing if tank is located in a cool area.

shawna1972 · 09/19/2009, 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gary Majchrzak
there are many reasons to listen to these voices

now... regarding the front of the aquarium...
get your handyman to cut an access panel above the front top of the tank.

Just do it.

Im trying to listen

My handy man is too busy for the next couple of weeks ,He works for Belmont building houses and has jobs on the side ect.
Any takers? lol

shawna1972 · 09/19/2009, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gary Majchrzak
is the aquarium located in a cool area (such as the basement)?
what type of lights will you be running?
Magdrive/Supremes aren't air cooled pumps. Significant heat transfer will take place either way you run it- submersed or external. The heat transfer can be a good thing if tank is located in a cool area.

No not a cool area ,It's in a extra bedroom we had

gregod · 09/19/2009, 09:04 AM

the temp of your tank will depend a lot on the type of lighting that you plan on using.

if you plan on using the pump in or out of the water, you may have temp issues either way. My sump is in the basement and the tank temp will cool down to about 74 at night and up to 82 during the day if I don't use a heater or fan. I'm sure the pump pump prevents my heater from kicking on so much and until the winter I'll have to use the fan during the day. I also keep the AC in the house set at 76 wich may be a little warmer than most people keep theirs at so I'm sure that doesn't help with the tank heating up.

as far as the expense of a fan, you would probably be surprised at how much a small fan blowing across the surface of your sump will affect the temp of your tank.

shawna1972 · 09/19/2009, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by gregod
the temp of your tank will depend a lot on the type of lighting that you plan on using.

if you plan on using the pump in or out of the water, you may have temp issues either way. My sump is in the basement and the tank temp will cool down to about 74 at night and up to 82 during the day if I don't use a heater or fan. I'm sure the pump pump prevents my heater from kicking on so much and until the winter I'll have to use the fan during the day. I also keep the AC in the house set at 76 wich may be a little warmer than most people keep theirs at so I'm sure that doesn't help with the tank heating up.

as far as the expense of a fan, you would probably be surprised at how much a small fan blowing across the surface of your sump will affect the temp of your tank.

Thanks,
The lighting I have is the nova extreme pro all T5's

shawna1972 · 09/22/2009, 06:33 AM

Update: Plumbing is all dry plumbed no glue yet,Need advice on ball valves on drains before I go any furthur.
Everyone I had asked about this has diff answers Id like to know why people say no ball valves on drains?
I have some pics but the room is not big enough for me to get a full shot of the plumbing.

shawna1972 · 09/22/2009, 06:38 AM

shawna1972 · 09/22/2009, 06:46 AM

Returns are 3/4" with 4 45's
Drains are 1" 45's and one 90' on each.
Ran the pump external because I could not get bulkhead off nor find that screw piece at lowes......(it is what it is)
double union ball valves on the pump pvc.
reg ball valves on both drains.
I hope this is going to work because this is the best it's going to get lol

shawna1972 · 09/22/2009, 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by shawna1972
Returns are 3/4" with 4 45's
Drains are 1" 45's and one 90' on each.
Ran the pump external because I could not get bulkhead off nor find that screw piece at lowes......(it is what it is)
double union ball valves on the pump pvc.
reg ball valves on both drains.
I hope this is going to work because this is the best it's going to get lol

Changes so far.
Going to 45 the 2 90 elbows that are on the drain
and move the one drain away from the suction of the pump.

Gary Majchrzak · 09/22/2009, 10:08 AM

looks fine from what I can see.
FWIW I don't impede my drains in any way nor do I have valves on them. I've never needed valves on my drains and I don't see why I'd ever want valves on drains.

Conesus_Kid · 09/22/2009, 11:14 AM

The only reason I would have a valve on a drain line is if it were a siphon (where no air gets into the line) and ONLY if you there were a backup drain line that could handle the flow if the siphon line gets blocked.

The valve is used to adjust the drain rate of the siphon. It's a completely silent way to drain the aquarium, but you absolutely have to have a backup.

jfl14609 · 09/22/2009, 11:39 AM

I do like the two shut offs on the return one before and one after that will make servicing the pump a breeze

shawna1972 · 09/22/2009, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gary Majchrzak
looks fine from what I can see.
FWIW I don't impede my drains in any way nor do I have valves on them. I've never needed valves on my drains and I don't see why I'd ever want valves on drains.

Thanks,
Ok well I will take the ball valves off then,I thought we needed them? What is the purpose of them on the drains as some people have?

jfl14609 · 09/22/2009, 12:31 PM

some people use them to quiet down the overflow but as con kid said if you do it be sure that there is a back up inplace in case it gets clogged

shawna1972 · 09/22/2009, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Conesus_Kid
The only reason I would have a valve on a drain line is if it were a siphon (where no air gets into the line) and ONLY if you there were a backup drain line that could handle the flow if the siphon line gets blocked.

The valve is used to adjust the drain rate of the siphon. It's a completely silent way to drain the aquarium, but you absolutely have to have a backup.

Thanks,
I got ya

shawna1972 · 09/22/2009, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jfl14609
I do like the two shut offs on the return one before and one after that will make servicing the pump a breeze

Thanks,
Glad to see I did something right

shawna1972 · 09/22/2009, 12:49 PM

Well, I need to get more 45's, off to lowes again!Dont know if it's going to be today This virus is kicking my butt! Last thing I want to do is be in that plumbing isle again

jfl14609 · 09/22/2009, 01:40 PM

go to home depot its easier to find stuff. or just ask someone they have those cool help butons

shawna1972 · 09/22/2009, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jfl14609
go to home depot its easier to find stuff. or just ask someone they have those cool help butons

lol thanks for the tip

belgian_waffleman · 09/22/2009, 07:37 PM

I would put a piece of foam under the pump(noise). The union ball valves around the pump is a great idea, just like the long run on the inlet of the pump.

Not crazy 'bout the wallpaper tho

Waffleman

shawna1972 · 09/22/2009, 07:46 PM

haha I hate that wallpaper too! I was not our doing (previous owner) This was an extra room we used for our fish supplies,Qttank and I never bothered to re do this room. Now I may seeing as I am not the only one who dislikes it lol

09/19/2009, 08:00 AM	#78
Gary Majchrzak Team RC Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 41,560	there are many reasons to listen to these voices now... regarding the front of the aquarium... get your handyman to cut an access panel above the front top of the tank. Just do it. __________________ over 24 years experience with multiple types of marine aquarium systems see Upstate Reef Society Forum on RC and FB GOOGLE JUNIOR'S REEF Current Tank Info: 84x24x30 265g reef past TOTM honors

09/22/2009, 06:33 AM	#85
shawna1972 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Buffalo,NY Posts: 2,068	Update: Plumbing is all dry plumbed no glue yet,Need advice on ball valves on drains before I go any furthur. Everyone I had asked about this has diff answers Id like to know why people say no ball valves on drains? I have some pics but the room is not big enough for me to get a full shot of the plumbing. __________________ Shawna Current Tank Info: 180 gallon in wall,30 gallon sump,mag 18 pump ran external.T5 Nova Extreme Pro lighting,BRS GFO/Carbon reactor,Octopus skimmer,Coralife125 super skimmer.

09/22/2009, 06:38 AM	#86
shawna1972 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Buffalo,NY Posts: 2,068	__________________ Shawna Current Tank Info: 180 gallon in wall,30 gallon sump,mag 18 pump ran external.T5 Nova Extreme Pro lighting,BRS GFO/Carbon reactor,Octopus skimmer,Coralife125 super skimmer.

09/22/2009, 06:46 AM	#87
shawna1972 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Buffalo,NY Posts: 2,068	Returns are 3/4" with 4 45's Drains are 1" 45's and one 90' on each. Ran the pump external because I could not get bulkhead off nor find that screw piece at lowes......(it is what it is) double union ball valves on the pump pvc. reg ball valves on both drains. I hope this is going to work because this is the best it's going to get lol __________________ Shawna Current Tank Info: 180 gallon in wall,30 gallon sump,mag 18 pump ran external.T5 Nova Extreme Pro lighting,BRS GFO/Carbon reactor,Octopus skimmer,Coralife125 super skimmer.

09/22/2009, 10:08 AM	#89
Gary Majchrzak Team RC Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 41,560	looks fine from what I can see. FWIW I don't impede my drains in any way nor do I have valves on them. I've never needed valves on my drains and I don't see why I'd ever want valves on drains. __________________ over 24 years experience with multiple types of marine aquarium systems see Upstate Reef Society Forum on RC and FB GOOGLE JUNIOR'S REEF Current Tank Info: 84x24x30 265g reef past TOTM honors

09/19/2009, 07:42 AM	#77
gregod Registered Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Cheektowaga, NY Posts: 566	submersed will also put the heat that the pump puts off into the water, it may be slight but it will reduce the amount that your heater has to turn on.

09/19/2009, 09:04 AM	#83
gregod Registered Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Cheektowaga, NY Posts: 566	the temp of your tank will depend a lot on the type of lighting that you plan on using. if you plan on using the pump in or out of the water, you may have temp issues either way. My sump is in the basement and the tank temp will cool down to about 74 at night and up to 82 during the day if I don't use a heater or fan. I'm sure the pump pump prevents my heater from kicking on so much and until the winter I'll have to use the fan during the day. I also keep the AC in the house set at 76 wich may be a little warmer than most people keep theirs at so I'm sure that doesn't help with the tank heating up. as far as the expense of a fan, you would probably be surprised at how much a small fan blowing across the surface of your sump will affect the temp of your tank.

09/22/2009, 11:14 AM	#90
Conesus_Kid Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Conesus, NY Posts: 3,897	The only reason I would have a valve on a drain line is if it were a siphon (where no air gets into the line) and ONLY if you there were a backup drain line that could handle the flow if the siphon line gets blocked. The valve is used to adjust the drain rate of the siphon. It's a completely silent way to drain the aquarium, but you absolutely have to have a backup. __________________ Scott Friends don't give friends Kenya tree...

09/22/2009, 11:39 AM	#91
jfl14609 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Brockport, ny Posts: 4,940	I do like the two shut offs on the return one before and one after that will make servicing the pump a breeze __________________ Everyone watch carefully someone is about to say something really funny! Current Tank Info: 210 gallon reef

09/22/2009, 12:31 PM	#93
jfl14609 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Brockport, ny Posts: 4,940	some people use them to quiet down the overflow but as con kid said if you do it be sure that there is a back up inplace in case it gets clogged __________________ Everyone watch carefully someone is about to say something really funny! Current Tank Info: 210 gallon reef

09/22/2009, 12:49 PM	#96
shawna1972 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Buffalo,NY Posts: 2,068	Well, I need to get more 45's, off to lowes again!Dont know if it's going to be today This virus is kicking my butt! Last thing I want to do is be in that plumbing isle again __________________ Shawna Current Tank Info: 180 gallon in wall,30 gallon sump,mag 18 pump ran external.T5 Nova Extreme Pro lighting,BRS GFO/Carbon reactor,Octopus skimmer,Coralife125 super skimmer.

09/22/2009, 01:40 PM	#97
jfl14609 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Brockport, ny Posts: 4,940	go to home depot its easier to find stuff. or just ask someone they have those cool help butons __________________ Everyone watch carefully someone is about to say something really funny! Current Tank Info: 210 gallon reef

09/22/2009, 07:37 PM	#99
belgian_waffleman Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Lockport,NY Posts: 1,309	I would put a piece of foam under the pump(noise). The union ball valves around the pump is a great idea, just like the long run on the inlet of the pump. Not crazy 'bout the wallpaper tho Waffleman

09/22/2009, 07:46 PM	#100
shawna1972 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Buffalo,NY Posts: 2,068	haha I hate that wallpaper too! I was not our doing (previous owner) This was an extra room we used for our fish supplies,Qttank and I never bothered to re do this room. Now I may seeing as I am not the only one who dislikes it lol __________________ Shawna Current Tank Info: 180 gallon in wall,30 gallon sump,mag 18 pump ran external.T5 Nova Extreme Pro lighting,BRS GFO/Carbon reactor,Octopus skimmer,Coralife125 super skimmer.