Deltec vs Octopus?

nikonosis · 02/04/2006, 07:03 PM

What makes a deltec better than these skimmers?

http://www.coralvue.com/octopus.html

SunnyX · 02/04/2006, 07:23 PM

Its like the difference between a KIA and Ferrari.

nikonosis · 02/04/2006, 07:28 PM

can you explain why besides the price and "name brand"? Its an acrylic tube vs and acrylic tube...

Jim_S · 02/04/2006, 08:02 PM

For the most part, the skimmer performance has nothing to do with the acrylic tubing. The main thing that sets the Deltec skimmers apart is the pump and matching body size to this pump.

If you look at Deltec pricing, when you add an extra ehiem pump to the skimmer, it jumps up in price aroung $500+.

Bebo77 · 02/04/2006, 08:47 PM

what makes a neddle wheel skimmer is the pump. The better(more expensive) the pump the better the skimmer. Have you seen the price for a bubble king they cost thousands.. why because red dragons( the pump) cost thousands.

dont base performance on looks...

nikonosis · 02/04/2006, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jimdogg187
For the most part, the skimmer performance has nothing to do with the acrylic tubing. The main thing that sets the Deltec skimmers apart is the pump and matching body size to this pump.

If you look at Deltec pricing, when you add an extra ehiem pump to the skimmer, it jumps up in price aroung $500+.

So your telling me an Aqua-Bee 2000/1 makes an $800 difference between a deltec and an octopus? Those pump don't come even close to costing $800... Eheim pumps are only around $100.

nikonosis · 02/04/2006, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bebo77
what makes a neddle wheel skimmer is the pump. The better(more expensive) the pump the better the skimmer. Have you seen the price for a bubble king they cost thousands.. why because red dragons( the pump) cost thousands.

dont base performance on looks...

Deltec uses pumps that cost around $100, why do they sell for $800-$7000 then?

nikonosis · 02/04/2006, 08:54 PM

the octopus skimmers use pumps made by Hailea and they make OR pumps for Aquamedic...

Bebo77 · 02/04/2006, 09:00 PM

it may be hard to swallow but the pumps really make the skimmer

the pumps on the deltec are all moded.. alot of the price on the deltec comes from import duties taxes and tarrifs. They are also made in germany and the euro is worth a lot more than the dollar.. you feel that difference when pourchasing foreign produts.

and of course the name.. because they have a name for making quality products they can charge more.

nikonosis · 02/04/2006, 09:03 PM

can you tell me why anyone would play $800 more for a skimmer if the performance isn't at least 2-3 times as good?

crab0000 · 02/04/2006, 09:07 PM

How do you know it's not?

Bebo77 · 02/04/2006, 09:10 PM

to tell you the truth its what you want and what you can pay. IS the dletec worth the extra money? that depends on how well you want your skimmer to work. If you drive a porsche you drive it because you can afford it and you wat the extra performance... same with a deltec vs octopus. I have never heard anyone rave about how great their ocopus skimmer was but look in the deltec forum and there are hundreds of people tanking about how good the skimmer is.

What i tell people is that you skimmer is your main filter you spend thousand on your tank and then you skim on what keeps it clean? why? i wanted to get the best skimmer possible so that i never have to upgrade and i dont want to have to do water changes very often to make up for a skimmer that can not remove everything out of the water that i want it to.

Roland Jacques · 02/04/2006, 09:15 PM

Its like the difference between a KIA and Ferrari.

right O. heres the thing, on the streets of reef tanks, the kia will get you right where you need to be. i have to save up to buy a kia i mean octopus it look like a great value. which ever you get make sure it sized for your tank. ive used Asm and Euro Reef. they allways got my tanks were they needed to be.

swashbuckler · 02/04/2006, 10:29 PM

yeah, but kia's have poor crash test ratings.....

i would stick with toyota for quality, but not performance. (except the good old days of supra, mr-2, and rear wheel corollas) sorry that had nothing to do with skimmers, just thought i throw it in!

Bebo77 · 02/04/2006, 10:35 PM

^this thread has been spammed

lol

collective21 · 02/04/2006, 10:43 PM

Listen, Everybody has an opinion on skimmers. People who by
Deltecs think they have the best, people who buy euroreefs think they have the best, people who buy bubble kings think they have the best. Thats just the way it is. There's no getting around it.

Bebo77 · 02/04/2006, 10:45 PM

but an octopus? the best skimmer?

collective21 · 02/04/2006, 10:52 PM

No, Octopus is a piece of junk but lets leave that for another thread.

nikonosis · 02/04/2006, 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bebo77
to tell you the truth its what you want and what you can pay. IS the dletec worth the extra money? that depends on how well you want your skimmer to work. If you drive a porsche you drive it because you can afford it and you wat the extra performance... same with a deltec vs octopus. I have never heard anyone rave about how great their ocopus skimmer was but look in the deltec forum and there are hundreds of people tanking about how good the skimmer is.

What i tell people is that you skimmer is your main filter you spend thousand on your tank and then you skim on what keeps it clean? why? i wanted to get the best skimmer possible so that i never have to upgrade and i dont want to have to do water changes very often to make up for a skimmer that can not remove everything out of the water that i want it to.

The octopus skimmers just came out and people are just now starting to talk about them... Look here. http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...76#post6668576

Roland Jacques · 02/04/2006, 11:00 PM

a piece of junk' now you are kidding yourself!!

nikonosis · 02/04/2006, 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by collective21
No, Octopus is a piece of junk but lets leave that for another thread.

How do you know its a piece of junk? Do you know anything about them at all? Here is a comment from a deltec owner that just saw one in a LFS.

"I own a Deltec APF600 and I was shown one of these to compare. From first impressions the bubble size looked tiny enough but seemed to be injecting less air than my Deltec. As clkwrk said the union turned me off. The other thing I noticed was it has a fairly long neck which would seem to work against getting a good foam reaching the collection cup. The collection cup seemed small but not a big deal unless you are leaving on vacation for 2 weeks. The tank rating seemed to be right in line with Deltec's. With the air injection being lower I would question that.

The skimmer was not actually on a tank yet so I can't comment on the skimmate etc.

Overall seemed to be a neat unit. Quality and customer service will be 2 things to watch for in the coming months."

When i see pictures like this after it running for a couple hours, im pretty impressed

collective21 · 02/04/2006, 11:03 PM

If you read my previous thread I said whatever skimmer people have they think is the best. I am no exception to this rule. I do not own an octopus skimmer. You can figure out the rest.

nikonosis · 02/04/2006, 11:06 PM

Im not saying anything is the best. I don't want to be biased towards anything. I just wanted a non biased opinion on what makes a piece of plastic with a pump cost $1000+ when there are other pieces of plastic made pretty close to the same and they only cost $200...

Detritivore · 02/04/2006, 11:07 PM

Let's do some comparing:

The 8" dia. 30" tall recirculating Reef Octopus lists for $489 on Custom Aquatic. The equivalent Deltec (AP851) lists for $1133, so the price difference is more like $600, which is still a lot. However the Deltec has things that the Reef Octopus does not have(at least not yet): customer service and proven performance/reputation. Remember too, that the Reef Octopus is still new so it isn't very fair to say that it performs just as good as a Deltec when only a few people have used it. Obviously, Deltec is an expensive, perhaps even overpriced, piece of equipment. But you must admit, it isn't for everyone (just like Bubble King, Tunze, etc...) Is it actually worth the money? People could tell you all sorts of things, but to really see for yourself, IMO, you will have to own one or at least see one in action first. Also, I don't understand what you mean by "2-3 times as good". Do you mean to say that a $500 skimmer should pull out twice as much skimmate as a $250 skimmer? What if there isn't enough junk to skim out?

Anyway, just wanted to end by saying that I think it's a good thing that companies are starting to make stuff that is cheaper. That means more people will be able to enjoy the hobby. The Reef Octopus definitely has the potential to be a great skimmer. Yet even to this day, IMO, "You get what you pay for" still holds true in this hobby.

Just my opinion.

nikonosis · 02/04/2006, 11:14 PM

"Do you mean to say that a $500 skimmer should pull out twice as much skimmate as a $250 skimmer? What if there isn't enough junk to skim out?"

Thats exactly what i meant.

02/04/2006, 07:03 PM	#1
nikonosis Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,935	Deltec vs Octopus? What makes a deltec better than these skimmers? http://www.coralvue.com/octopus.html __________________ Home is where you hang your @ 75g rimless starfire 30x24x24, Bubble Magus NAC6, 2x Vortech MP10's and 1 MP40, MaxSpect G2-160 LED, Neptune Systems AquaController Apex/w wxm module, Eheim Compact+ 3000 Pump, Aqua UV Sterilizer, BRS GFO/Carbon reactor, Marine Magic doser, Aquahub DIY Top-it-Off Kit and Aqua Lifter Vacuum Pump

02/04/2006, 07:28 PM	#3
nikonosis Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,935	can you explain why besides the price and "name brand"? Its an acrylic tube vs and acrylic tube... __________________ Home is where you hang your @ 75g rimless starfire 30x24x24, Bubble Magus NAC6, 2x Vortech MP10's and 1 MP40, MaxSpect G2-160 LED, Neptune Systems AquaController Apex/w wxm module, Eheim Compact+ 3000 Pump, Aqua UV Sterilizer, BRS GFO/Carbon reactor, Marine Magic doser, Aquahub DIY Top-it-Off Kit and Aqua Lifter Vacuum Pump

02/04/2006, 08:02 PM	#4
Jim_S Timo Boll Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 5,333	For the most part, the skimmer performance has nothing to do with the acrylic tubing. The main thing that sets the Deltec skimmers apart is the pump and matching body size to this pump. If you look at Deltec pricing, when you add an extra ehiem pump to the skimmer, it jumps up in price aroung $500+. __________________ We will survive in this world of competition, shooting guns and our ammunition... Bradley Nowell Current Tank Info: We're recreating the ocean in our livings rooms. With that said, I've had some ups and downs.

02/04/2006, 08:47 PM	#5
Bebo77 Premium Nonpaying Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Lost Posts: 14,377	what makes a neddle wheel skimmer is the pump. The better(more expensive) the pump the better the skimmer. Have you seen the price for a bubble king they cost thousands.. why because red dragons( the pump) cost thousands. dont base performance on looks... __________________ Gabriel Current Tank Info: 300 Gal Envision Tank(98Lx30Wx26T) 120 Gal SoCalCreations Sump, Deltec TC2560, 2 LumenarcsMini 1 Reg on a light mover W Radiums 250& 400, Gallaxy ballasts, Red Dragon 10m3 return W/ 2 WavySeas, 2 6155 Tunze streams

02/04/2006, 08:54 PM	#8
nikonosis Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,935	the octopus skimmers use pumps made by Hailea and they make OR pumps for Aquamedic... __________________ Home is where you hang your @ 75g rimless starfire 30x24x24, Bubble Magus NAC6, 2x Vortech MP10's and 1 MP40, MaxSpect G2-160 LED, Neptune Systems AquaController Apex/w wxm module, Eheim Compact+ 3000 Pump, Aqua UV Sterilizer, BRS GFO/Carbon reactor, Marine Magic doser, Aquahub DIY Top-it-Off Kit and Aqua Lifter Vacuum Pump

02/04/2006, 07:23 PM	#2
SunnyX Moved On Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Michigan Posts: 4,991	Its like the difference between a KIA and Ferrari.

02/04/2006, 09:00 PM	#9
Bebo77 Premium Nonpaying Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Lost Posts: 14,377	it may be hard to swallow but the pumps really make the skimmer the pumps on the deltec are all moded.. alot of the price on the deltec comes from import duties taxes and tarrifs. They are also made in germany and the euro is worth a lot more than the dollar.. you feel that difference when pourchasing foreign produts. and of course the name.. because they have a name for making quality products they can charge more. __________________ Gabriel Current Tank Info: 300 Gal Envision Tank(98Lx30Wx26T) 120 Gal SoCalCreations Sump, Deltec TC2560, 2 LumenarcsMini 1 Reg on a light mover W Radiums 250& 400, Gallaxy ballasts, Red Dragon 10m3 return W/ 2 WavySeas, 2 6155 Tunze streams

02/04/2006, 09:03 PM	#10
nikonosis Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,935	can you tell me why anyone would play $800 more for a skimmer if the performance isn't at least 2-3 times as good? __________________ Home is where you hang your @ 75g rimless starfire 30x24x24, Bubble Magus NAC6, 2x Vortech MP10's and 1 MP40, MaxSpect G2-160 LED, Neptune Systems AquaController Apex/w wxm module, Eheim Compact+ 3000 Pump, Aqua UV Sterilizer, BRS GFO/Carbon reactor, Marine Magic doser, Aquahub DIY Top-it-Off Kit and Aqua Lifter Vacuum Pump

02/04/2006, 09:07 PM	#11
crab0000 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Jasper,GA Posts: 2,801	How do you know it's not?

02/04/2006, 09:10 PM	#12
Bebo77 Premium Nonpaying Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Lost Posts: 14,377	to tell you the truth its what you want and what you can pay. IS the dletec worth the extra money? that depends on how well you want your skimmer to work. If you drive a porsche you drive it because you can afford it and you wat the extra performance... same with a deltec vs octopus. I have never heard anyone rave about how great their ocopus skimmer was but look in the deltec forum and there are hundreds of people tanking about how good the skimmer is. What i tell people is that you skimmer is your main filter you spend thousand on your tank and then you skim on what keeps it clean? why? i wanted to get the best skimmer possible so that i never have to upgrade and i dont want to have to do water changes very often to make up for a skimmer that can not remove everything out of the water that i want it to. __________________ Gabriel Current Tank Info: 300 Gal Envision Tank(98Lx30Wx26T) 120 Gal SoCalCreations Sump, Deltec TC2560, 2 LumenarcsMini 1 Reg on a light mover W Radiums 250& 400, Gallaxy ballasts, Red Dragon 10m3 return W/ 2 WavySeas, 2 6155 Tunze streams

02/04/2006, 09:15 PM	#13
Roland Jacques Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 2,848	Its like the difference between a KIA and Ferrari. right O. heres the thing, on the streets of reef tanks, the kia will get you right where you need to be. i have to save up to buy a kia i mean octopus it look like a great value. which ever you get make sure it sized for your tank. ive used Asm and Euro Reef. they allways got my tanks were they needed to be. __________________ Roland

02/04/2006, 10:29 PM	#14
swashbuckler Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Central VA Posts: 1,726	yeah, but kia's have poor crash test ratings..... i would stick with toyota for quality, but not performance. (except the good old days of supra, mr-2, and rear wheel corollas) sorry that had nothing to do with skimmers, just thought i throw it in! __________________ "Der Guten Tag Hop-Clop" -The Producers Current Tank Info: 40breeder, 150W AquaMedic Oceanlight, 190W VHO Superactinics, AquaC Remora, 5 gallon fuge.

02/04/2006, 10:35 PM	#15
Bebo77 Premium Nonpaying Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Lost Posts: 14,377	^this thread has been spammed lol __________________ Gabriel Current Tank Info: 300 Gal Envision Tank(98Lx30Wx26T) 120 Gal SoCalCreations Sump, Deltec TC2560, 2 LumenarcsMini 1 Reg on a light mover W Radiums 250& 400, Gallaxy ballasts, Red Dragon 10m3 return W/ 2 WavySeas, 2 6155 Tunze streams

02/04/2006, 10:43 PM	#16
collective21 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: South Carolina Posts: 217	Listen, Everybody has an opinion on skimmers. People who by Deltecs think they have the best, people who buy euroreefs think they have the best, people who buy bubble kings think they have the best. Thats just the way it is. There's no getting around it.

02/04/2006, 10:45 PM	#17
Bebo77 Premium Nonpaying Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Lost Posts: 14,377	but an octopus? the best skimmer? __________________ Gabriel Current Tank Info: 300 Gal Envision Tank(98Lx30Wx26T) 120 Gal SoCalCreations Sump, Deltec TC2560, 2 LumenarcsMini 1 Reg on a light mover W Radiums 250& 400, Gallaxy ballasts, Red Dragon 10m3 return W/ 2 WavySeas, 2 6155 Tunze streams

02/04/2006, 10:52 PM	#18
collective21 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: South Carolina Posts: 217	No, Octopus is a piece of junk but lets leave that for another thread.

02/04/2006, 11:00 PM	#20
Roland Jacques Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 2,848	a piece of junk' now you are kidding yourself!! __________________ Roland

02/04/2006, 11:03 PM	#22
collective21 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: South Carolina Posts: 217	If you read my previous thread I said whatever skimmer people have they think is the best. I am no exception to this rule. I do not own an octopus skimmer. You can figure out the rest.

02/04/2006, 11:06 PM	#23
nikonosis Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,935	Im not saying anything is the best. I don't want to be biased towards anything. I just wanted a non biased opinion on what makes a piece of plastic with a pump cost $1000+ when there are other pieces of plastic made pretty close to the same and they only cost $200... __________________ Home is where you hang your @ 75g rimless starfire 30x24x24, Bubble Magus NAC6, 2x Vortech MP10's and 1 MP40, MaxSpect G2-160 LED, Neptune Systems AquaController Apex/w wxm module, Eheim Compact+ 3000 Pump, Aqua UV Sterilizer, BRS GFO/Carbon reactor, Marine Magic doser, Aquahub DIY Top-it-Off Kit and Aqua Lifter Vacuum Pump

02/04/2006, 11:07 PM	#24
Detritivore Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,576	Let's do some comparing: The 8" dia. 30" tall recirculating Reef Octopus lists for $489 on Custom Aquatic. The equivalent Deltec (AP851) lists for $1133, so the price difference is more like $600, which is still a lot. However the Deltec has things that the Reef Octopus does not have(at least not yet): customer service and proven performance/reputation. Remember too, that the Reef Octopus is still new so it isn't very fair to say that it performs just as good as a Deltec when only a few people have used it. Obviously, Deltec is an expensive, perhaps even overpriced, piece of equipment. But you must admit, it isn't for everyone (just like Bubble King, Tunze, etc...) Is it actually worth the money? People could tell you all sorts of things, but to really see for yourself, IMO, you will have to own one or at least see one in action first. Also, I don't understand what you mean by "2-3 times as good". Do you mean to say that a $500 skimmer should pull out twice as much skimmate as a $250 skimmer? What if there isn't enough junk to skim out? Anyway, just wanted to end by saying that I think it's a good thing that companies are starting to make stuff that is cheaper. That means more people will be able to enjoy the hobby. The Reef Octopus definitely has the potential to be a great skimmer. Yet even to this day, IMO, "You get what you pay for" still holds true in this hobby. Just my opinion.

02/04/2006, 11:14 PM	#25
nikonosis Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,935	"Do you mean to say that a $500 skimmer should pull out twice as much skimmate as a $250 skimmer? What if there isn't enough junk to skim out?" Thats exactly what i meant. __________________ Home is where you hang your @ 75g rimless starfire 30x24x24, Bubble Magus NAC6, 2x Vortech MP10's and 1 MP40, MaxSpect G2-160 LED, Neptune Systems AquaController Apex/w wxm module, Eheim Compact+ 3000 Pump, Aqua UV Sterilizer, BRS GFO/Carbon reactor, Marine Magic doser, Aquahub DIY Top-it-Off Kit and Aqua Lifter Vacuum Pump