Deltec vs Octopus?

[nikonosis]

Originally posted by SunnyX
Its like the difference between a KIA and Ferrari.

Wouldn't it make more since to compare a ferrari to something like a ford gt40? It maybe a ford but it can still out run alot of ferrari's!

[E-A-G-L-E-S]

thats what i dont get...when i see 1,2,3,4 hundred gallon systems with large top of the line skimmers pulling out tons of skimmate daily, i wonder if thats more because there is alot to pull out and the very same skimmer they use would pull less on a less loaded tank or that the skimmer is the reason for the amount of skimmate?(by the way i just bought a nice one, but my tank has a low-medium bioload and i only feed once a day...so i'm wondering if there just won't be much to pull??)

[Jim_S]

Originally posted by nikonosis
Im not saying anything is the best. I don't want to be biased towards anything. I just wanted a non biased opinion on what makes a piece of plastic with a pump cost $1000+ when there are other pieces of plastic made pretty close to the same and they only cost $200...

Okay, heres a non biased opinon from a euro-reef fanatic: The deltec is better because of the pump. Period.

Now, it may be too much to swallow, and if thats the case, buy the octopus. But there is no question that on NW skimmers, the pump makes all the difference. The ehiems have a better needle wheel, draw in more air, and are supposed to be silent. And thats all there is. People pay for knowing that their skimmer is one of the best. It makes them feel good. Some people feel good when they are able to save a buck or two. Others feel good when they buy a top of the line unit. I feel good because I bought an ER, and not an ASM. Others feel the EXACT opposite.

Jim

[Bebo77]

This will be my last post in this thread as nikponsis just want to argue price, and i am to old to agrue about this People who say "why should i pay a lot of money for a skimmer" dont usually have a lot of money.. Thats fine but dont complain to the person who does and buys nice stuff.

Haters are everywhere even here on RC..

Do you walk up to a guy driving an M3 and say nice car but my corolla is better because it costs 1/3 as much and drives me from point a to b just like your M3?

You asked for an opinion, you got it.

However, it sounds like you had your mind made up that you didnt want to pay top dollar foa a skimmer and wanted to argue this in a thread... If you can afford a deltec GET IT if you cant then stick with an octopus.

When a company makes a good product and they charge for that extra because it is a good product dont hate them.

enough said.


gabriel out

[nikonosis]

Originally posted by jimdogg187
Okay, heres a non biased opinon from a euro-reef fanatic: The deltec is better because of the pump. Period.

Now, it may be too much to swallow, and if thats the case, buy the octopus. But there is no question that on NW skimmers, the pump makes all the difference. The ehiems have a better needle wheel, draw in more air, and are supposed to be silent. And thats all there is. People pay for knowing that their skimmer is one of the best. It makes them feel good. Some people feel good when they are able to save a buck or two. Others feel good when they buy a top of the line unit. I feel good because I bought an ER, and not an ASM. Others feel the EXACT opposite.

Jim

Then why not just buy a cheaper skimmer and just upgrade to the same exact pumps the more expensive skimmer companies use?

[collective21]

Lifereef is the best skimmer out there. Why? Because thats what I have.

[Jim_S]

Originally posted by nikonosis
Then why not just buy a cheaper skimmer and just upgrade to the same exact pumps the more expensive skimmer companies use?

You can do that. But the skimmer companies such as Deltec and H&S make the price of their NW pumps very high to discourage this. A Deltec Ehiem is about $500 and an H&S is about $300.

[nikonosis]

Originally posted by Bebo77
This will be my last post in this thread as nikponsis just want to argue price, and i am to old to agrue about this People who say "why should i pay a lot of money for a skimmer" dont usually have a lot of money.. Thats fine but dont complain to the person who does and buys nice stuff.

Haters are everywhere even here on RC..

Do you walk up to a guy driving an M3 and say nice car but my corolla is better because it costs 1/3 as much and drives me from point a to b just like your M3?

You asked for an opinion, you got it.

However, it sounds like you had your mind made up that you didnt want to pay top dollar foa a skimmer and wanted to argue this in a thread... If you can afford a deltec GET IT if you cant then stick with an octopus.

When a company makes a good product and they charge for that extra because it is a good product dont hate them.

enough said.


gabriel out

This is my point about your remarks. Don't buy the most expensive thing just because you have the money, THAT IS DAMN STUPID. Your obviously someone that has alot of money and buys whatever everyone says is the best and you buy it no matter what the cost is. Do you ever compare things, try and save yourself money, and be cheap sometimes or do you just have to buy the most expensive stuff because you can? All I wanted to know is what makes a deltec so much better and you had to turn this into some argument trying to make it sound like I said the octopus skimmer was the best on earth! I wanted people to compare things about them other than the price and customer service. I wanted people to actually compare things about the 2 skimmers, the plus's and minus's.

[Detritivore]

Originally posted by collective21
Lifereef is the best skimmer out there. Why? Because thats what I have.

yea, well i have a red sea berlin airlift 60. now that is a real skimmer!

[collective21]

So's an acrylic tube with an airstone. (just kidding I'm drunk)

[Detritivore]

my airlift 60 is an acrylic tube with an airstone

[collective21]

See, so I'm right.

[E-A-G-L-E-S]

anyones thoughts on this?
?(by the way i just bought a nice one, but my tank has a low-medium bioload and i only feed once a day...so i'm wondering if there just won't be much to pull??)

[dhnguyen]

Do you mean to say that a $500 skimmer should pull out twice as much skimmate as a $250 skimmer?

IMO it better. But then again if I spent $800 on a skimmer and it didn't perform better than a cheaper knockoff, I probably wouldn't admit to anyone that I was stupid enough to buy it in the first place.

D.

[DeltecRules]

I love my deltec hangon Mce600. I tried some of those cheap brand skimmers and they either have been sold or retired to the closet. Of all the money I spent on chose cheap alternatives I could have spent on a great skimmer like a deltec the first time.
In action


5 days of nog (dry) out of my 55 gallon

[tacocat]

Originally posted by nikonosis
So your telling me an Aqua-Bee 2000/1 makes an $800 difference between a deltec and an octopus? Those pump don't come even close to costing $800... Eheim pumps are only around $100.

If your skimmer pump broke down when you were out of town, how much would it be worth to you then?

Deltec matches pump to body. That takes some research. You pay for that. In fact, they make different needlewheels for the European and American market. The American needlewheels are fine tuned for American voltage and frequency.

Deltec uses pumps that are manufactured to their specs by Eheim and Aquabee. You pay for that also.

Deltec has along standing reputation for relaibility and good customer support. You pay for that also.

If you have $5,000 to $10,000 in livestock, you typically want the most reliable skimmers available. FWIW, I don't own a Deltec, but my observations and dealings with them have been very positive.

I forgot to add:

If you want to save a buck, then save yourself a buck. Many experienced reefers (myself included) will tell you that the cheap solutions can sometimes end up costing you more in the end. Ask your self how much is your system and pets worth to you and go from there. Be careful on where you save your money, and try to avoid buying twice.

[Pyrrhus]

I am currently running a RPS-2000 on the LR system at the store I work at. The performance from this skimmer is excellent, there are a few things that i do not like about it, but I am confident that it will outperform any NW skimmer in its price range. The skimmer is very quiet and easily pulls between 1/2 and 3/4 gallon of wet skimmate per day.

when someone not familiar with the skimmer tried to adjust it the foam was too dry and produced an 18" tall foam sculpture on top of the collection cup lid.

Will this skimmer perform to the level of a Deltec? Probably not, but, If I ever feel that this skimmer needs to perform to the level of a Deltec, I can add an aspirated H&S Aquabee 2000/1 with needlewheel and venturi for $159.99 and add it to the $299.99 skimmer and still come out over $350 less than the Deltec APF600 and $200 dollars less than the equivalent H&S.

[nikonosis]

Originally posted by E-A-G-L-E-S
thats what i dont get...when i see 1,2,3,4 hundred gallon systems with large top of the line skimmers pulling out tons of skimmate daily, i wonder if thats more because there is alot to pull out and the very same skimmer they use would pull less on a less loaded tank or that the skimmer is the reason for the amount of skimmate?(by the way i just bought a nice one, but my tank has a low-medium bioload and i only feed once a day...so i'm wondering if there just won't be much to pull??)

Its probably more because they have huge bio loads and since they bought the most expensive skimmer they could find, they tell everyone that it is the best and it pulls out 100 cups of skimmate a day.

[nikonosis]

Originally posted by DeltecRules
I love my deltec hangon Mce600. I tried some of those cheap brand skimmers and they either have been sold or retired to the closet. Of all the money I spent on chose cheap alternatives I could have spent on a great skimmer like a deltec the first time.
In action


5 days of nog (dry) out of my 55 gallon

my old css pulled out more skimmate than that in 5 days on a medium stocked 75g.

[nikonosis]

Originally posted by pyrrhus
I am currently running a RPS-2000 on the LR system at the store I work at. The performance from this skimmer is excellent, there are a few things that i do not like about it, but I am confident that it will outperform any NW skimmer in its price range. The skimmer is very quiet and easily pulls between 1/2 and 3/4 gallon of wet skimmate per day.

when someone not familiar with the skimmer tried to adjust it the foam was too dry and produced an 18" tall foam sculpture on top of the collection cup lid.

Will this skimmer perform to the level of a Deltec? Probably not, but, If I ever feel that this skimmer needs to perform to the level of a Deltec, I can add an aspirated H&S Aquabee 2000/1 with needlewheel and venturi for $159.99 and add it to the $299.99 skimmer and still come out over $350 less than the Deltec APF600 and $200 dollars less than the equivalent H&S.

finally a good answer.

[DeltecRules]

Originally posted by pyrrhus
I am currently running a RPS-2000 on the LR system at the store I work at. The performance from this skimmer is excellent, there are a few things that i do not like about it, but I am confident that it will outperform any NW skimmer in its price range. The skimmer is very quiet and easily pulls between 1/2 and 3/4 gallon of wet skimmate per day.

when someone not familiar with the skimmer tried to adjust it the foam was too dry and produced an 18" tall foam sculpture on top of the collection cup lid.

Will this skimmer perform to the level of a Deltec? Probably not, but, If I ever feel that this skimmer needs to perform to the level of a Deltec, I can add an aspirated H&S Aquabee 2000/1 with needlewheel and venturi for $159.99 and add it to the $299.99 skimmer and still come out over $350 less than the Deltec APF600 and $200 dollars less than the equivalent H&S.

Don't forget to add another $89.99 for the needle wheel impellar and $14.99 for the air intake and $3.99 for the air hose. Thats another $108 dollars to the $159.00 total. So you goy a total of $268.00. As tacocat said these pumps are designed to match the body of the skimmer for maximum performance if you think slapping this pump on a RPS-3000 is going to make this skimmer as efficient as a H&S or deltec I think you are wrong.

[nikonosis]

"Deltec uses pumps that are manufactured to their specs by Eheim and Aquabee. You pay for that also."

Im pretty sure most the companies that make skimmers, match their pumps to their skimmers.

"Deltec has along standing reputation for relaibility and good customer support. You pay for that also."

Tunzes has great customer support and makes skimmers, does that mean I should buy one of theirs?

"If you have $5,000 to $10,000 in livestock, you typically want the most reliable skimmers available."

Wouldn't that be your opinion that deltecs are the most reliable? Can you provide any facts that support that?

[nikonosis]

thanks for all the opinions

[nikonosis]

Does a thread like this make anyone want to buy a deltec?

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...hreadid=769060

The people that own deltecs are so nice and helpful.

[HOZERTHEBONEFISH]

You know what makes me want to buy a Deltec? The fact that almost every TOTM tank for past few months, as well as my hero's tank(Oregon Reef) is run by a big eheim driven Deltecs.

Coincidence, conspiracy or maybe deltecs are good skimmers?