Tunze Streams, are they really worth the money? - Page 5

Alaskan Reefer · 03/15/2006, 07:51 PM

No, this is the new VW Complaint Thread.

The Euroreef Forum is dead now, so there has to be somewhere for the disgruntled youth (well, not so youth here) to vent!

LOL

Reefologist · 03/15/2006, 07:57 PM

Given their reputation, there is no question the streams and controllers are an excellent product. Whether or not they are worth it is up to each individual. Everyones "worth it to them price" is different. happy reefkeeping....

JER-Z · 03/15/2006, 09:27 PM

i bought a 6000 stream kit...i am still a newbie and havn't even put it into service yet, but i payed the $ for it, and i imagine i will like it from what i read. My other option was getting the new icecap deal, but paying more money for a pump w/out a controller than i payed for an entire Tunze kit turned me off. I don't see Tunze lowering the price if they are already cheaper than the competitor who has no track record w/ pumps...

Reefologist · 03/16/2006, 06:34 PM

I agree Jer-z. If the competition was cheaper MAYBE. I have no problem with more duckets=$ for a known entity than something new=unknown....to each his or her own....happy reefing...

ZURCSREEF · 03/16/2006, 06:43 PM

Jer-z makes a good point. I just got a deal on a couple more maxi-jets so I will be sticking with them till after I get back from the Kentucky Derby around/before summer time, then I will have to pull out the money and check out these suckers.

-Mike C. aka ZURCSREEF

Alaskan Reefer · 03/17/2006, 02:00 AM

Have you looked into the maxijet stream modification? I'm going to try it here soon -- ordering parts tomorrow. I love my Tunzes, but this is a neat project and I want to try it out.

ZURCSREEF · 03/17/2006, 05:56 AM

I don't have the time to be ordering the parts and modding it, I wish I did, but I don't...

tangblack · 03/17/2006, 06:10 AM

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The reason the Tunze pumps are expensive is just this that there WAS no competition for its market so they basically can charge whatever they wish for their product and people will buy it. But I believe soon we will see a whole slough of new propeller driven pumps that will eventually force Tunze to lower their prices. Have you checked out the Vortech pump? This thing would have the Tunze for lunch and then some

Well I quess you would have noticed that the vortech is going to cost the same as a stream pump. So your theory does not stack up to well.
You pay for quailty. Look at the seios, cheap a nasty and you need about 4 of them to one stream.

dhnguyen · 03/17/2006, 10:41 AM

Of course Ice Cap would price the Vortech in the same range as a Tunze 6100. They would be dumb not to because believe it or not people WILL pay for them just like they have been paying for the Tunzes.

My point that you seem to have missed is that NOW there is competition for Tunze for the same business and customer base. Before Vortech there WAS no competition for Tunze. SEIO? Those pumps are crap and not in the same league. Besides SEIO isn't a propeller pump but rather a fancy impeller driven pump. We all know that.

Before the Vortech, the Tunze was the ONLY propeller driven pump/powerhead available so if you wanted one you HAD to buy Tunze - there was no other option. Now soon we(the hobbiests) will have a CHOICE. It is that choice that will eat into Tunze's marketshare and eventually force them to adapt to compete, perhaps with price drop, new design features, etc...

I don't think Vortech will be the only propeller powerhead that will be competing against Tunze in the near future. Other manufacturers to catch on to this and release their own.

Building a propeller driven pump is no rocket science. I know this because I can modify my Maxijet to put out 1600-2000+ gph. Even the nice electronics Tunze use for their controllable models can be built or copied as well.

MiddletonMark · 03/17/2006, 10:59 AM

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Originally posted by dhnguyen
Even the nice electronics Tunze use for their controllable models can be built or copied as well.

Yes, but at times this whole equation fails to put a value on my time, which would be required to DIY all this.

I've never found a DIY project that took radically less time than first hypothesized .... and I put high value on my free time.
If I loved to relax with a DIY project - that would be different - but when I compare my time with this vs. spent otherwise ... that's quite an hourly rate.

But we're different folks, no wonder we think different

dhnguyen · 03/17/2006, 11:11 AM

You're absolutely right MiddletonMark. Most people like yourself do not want to spend the time DIY. But some like myself love to tinker with things and see how they can be built and improved. I guess that comes with the territory given my technical profession.

Some of the best products originated from DIY projects such as this Maxijet-mod. To me it is not about how much an hourly rate I'm going to put on my time because I enjoy doing it and find it therapeutic to a point.

ZURCSREEF · 03/17/2006, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dhnguyen

I know this because I can modify my Maxijet to put out 1600-2000+ gph.

How?

dhnguyen · 03/17/2006, 01:24 PM

What do you mean how?

ZURCSREEF · 03/17/2006, 01:29 PM

maxi jet does 295gph, how in the world you make it 1600-2000gph? if its somehow speeding up the motor, doesn't the motor burn out quicker?

dhnguyen · 03/17/2006, 01:31 PM

Very simple. Swap out the impeller head with a propeller. That's it really no magic involved. If you look at the Tunze that is exactly how they are able to produce such great flow.

D.

dhnguyen · 03/17/2006, 01:33 PM

And no I am not speeding up the motor. Infact no modification to the motor is needed. A propeller is THAT much more efficient than an impeller in generating flow.

D.

ZURCSREEF · 03/17/2006, 01:35 PM

how hard is that to do? I am not the best DIY'er. How much is a propeller, where can I get it? whats the exact steps, etc?

dhnguyen · 03/17/2006, 01:36 PM

If you have some time you should read through these threads. Be warned they are quite long threads but well worth the time to read

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...hreadid=717034 (the original thread)

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...hreadid=790770 (the split thread)

ZURCSREEF · 03/17/2006, 01:38 PM

is it just taking it apart, taking out the impeller and putting in a propeller? How much is the mod altogether excluding the price of the powerhead?

rsteagall · 03/17/2006, 01:38 PM

hello?

maxi-streaming mod threadid 717034

go read.

dhnguyen · 03/17/2006, 01:38 PM

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Originally posted by ZURCSREEF
how hard is that to do?

It is not hard at all to do. As long as you take the time to do it right (measure and plan out your design)

D.

dhnguyen · 03/17/2006, 01:40 PM

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Originally posted by ZURCSREEF
is it just taking it apart, taking out the impeller and putting in a propeller? How much is the mod altogether excluding the price of the powerhead?

Depending on the materials used it would cost you anywhere from $4 to $20 to do the mod. Tools not included of course.

03/15/2006, 07:51 PM	#101
Alaskan Reefer Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Eagle River, Alaska Posts: 2,360	No, this is the new VW Complaint Thread. The Euroreef Forum is dead now, so there has to be somewhere for the disgruntled youth (well, not so youth here) to vent! LOL __________________ Unattended children will be given double shot espresso and a free puppy. Current Tank Info: 125g FOWLR -- Conversion Back To SPS In Progress

03/15/2006, 07:57 PM	#102
Reefologist Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Indiana Posts: 374	Given their reputation, there is no question the streams and controllers are an excellent product. Whether or not they are worth it is up to each individual. Everyones "worth it to them price" is different. happy reefkeeping.... __________________ "Life is 5% what happens to you, and 95% how you react. Current Tank Info: 120 AGA Mega Flow w/ Oceanic model 3 sump

03/16/2006, 06:34 PM	#104
Reefologist Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Indiana Posts: 374	I agree Jer-z. If the competition was cheaper MAYBE. I have no problem with more duckets=$ for a known entity than something new=unknown....to each his or her own....happy reefing... __________________ "Life is 5% what happens to you, and 95% how you react. Current Tank Info: 120 AGA Mega Flow w/ Oceanic model 3 sump

03/17/2006, 02:00 AM	#106
Alaskan Reefer Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Eagle River, Alaska Posts: 2,360	Have you looked into the maxijet stream modification? I'm going to try it here soon -- ordering parts tomorrow. I love my Tunzes, but this is a neat project and I want to try it out. __________________ Unattended children will be given double shot espresso and a free puppy. Current Tank Info: 125g FOWLR -- Conversion Back To SPS In Progress

03/17/2006, 01:38 PM	#120
rsteagall Registered Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Rockvale, TN (close to Murfreesboro) Posts: 1,612	hello? maxi-streaming mod threadid 717034 go read. __________________ Ryan Current Tank Info: One hand holding a beer, the other in the tank, and my toes typing on the keyboard. Drunks, reefing, and keyboards do mix in a 5GAL bucket with a 1200 MJ!

03/15/2006, 09:27 PM	#103
JER-Z Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 877	i bought a 6000 stream kit...i am still a newbie and havn't even put it into service yet, but i payed the $ for it, and i imagine i will like it from what i read. My other option was getting the new icecap deal, but paying more money for a pump w/out a controller than i payed for an entire Tunze kit turned me off. I don't see Tunze lowering the price if they are already cheaper than the competitor who has no track record w/ pumps...

03/16/2006, 06:43 PM	#105
ZURCSREEF Moved On Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Pembroke Pines, Fl Posts: 2,347	Jer-z makes a good point. I just got a deal on a couple more maxi-jets so I will be sticking with them till after I get back from the Kentucky Derby around/before summer time, then I will have to pull out the money and check out these suckers. -Mike C. aka ZURCSREEF

03/17/2006, 05:56 AM	#107
ZURCSREEF Moved On Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Pembroke Pines, Fl Posts: 2,347	I don't have the time to be ordering the parts and modding it, I wish I did, but I don't...

03/17/2006, 10:41 AM	#109
dhnguyen Moved On Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kingston, WA Posts: 4,751	Of course Ice Cap would price the Vortech in the same range as a Tunze 6100. They would be dumb not to because believe it or not people WILL pay for them just like they have been paying for the Tunzes. My point that you seem to have missed is that NOW there is competition for Tunze for the same business and customer base. Before Vortech there WAS no competition for Tunze. SEIO? Those pumps are crap and not in the same league. Besides SEIO isn't a propeller pump but rather a fancy impeller driven pump. We all know that. Before the Vortech, the Tunze was the ONLY propeller driven pump/powerhead available so if you wanted one you HAD to buy Tunze - there was no other option. Now soon we(the hobbiests) will have a CHOICE. It is that choice that will eat into Tunze's marketshare and eventually force them to adapt to compete, perhaps with price drop, new design features, etc... I don't think Vortech will be the only propeller powerhead that will be competing against Tunze in the near future. Other manufacturers to catch on to this and release their own. Building a propeller driven pump is no rocket science. I know this because I can modify my Maxijet to put out 1600-2000+ gph. Even the nice electronics Tunze use for their controllable models can be built or copied as well.

03/17/2006, 11:11 AM	#111
dhnguyen Moved On Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kingston, WA Posts: 4,751	You're absolutely right MiddletonMark. Most people like yourself do not want to spend the time DIY. But some like myself love to tinker with things and see how they can be built and improved. I guess that comes with the territory given my technical profession. Some of the best products originated from DIY projects such as this Maxijet-mod. To me it is not about how much an hourly rate I'm going to put on my time because I enjoy doing it and find it therapeutic to a point.

03/17/2006, 01:24 PM	#113
dhnguyen Moved On Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kingston, WA Posts: 4,751	What do you mean how?

03/17/2006, 01:29 PM	#114
ZURCSREEF Moved On Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Pembroke Pines, Fl Posts: 2,347	maxi jet does 295gph, how in the world you make it 1600-2000gph? if its somehow speeding up the motor, doesn't the motor burn out quicker?

03/17/2006, 01:31 PM	#115
dhnguyen Moved On Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kingston, WA Posts: 4,751	Very simple. Swap out the impeller head with a propeller. That's it really no magic involved. If you look at the Tunze that is exactly how they are able to produce such great flow. D.

03/17/2006, 01:33 PM	#116
dhnguyen Moved On Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kingston, WA Posts: 4,751	And no I am not speeding up the motor. Infact no modification to the motor is needed. A propeller is THAT much more efficient than an impeller in generating flow. D.

03/17/2006, 01:35 PM	#117
ZURCSREEF Moved On Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Pembroke Pines, Fl Posts: 2,347	how hard is that to do? I am not the best DIY'er. How much is a propeller, where can I get it? whats the exact steps, etc?

03/17/2006, 01:36 PM	#118
dhnguyen Moved On Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kingston, WA Posts: 4,751	If you have some time you should read through these threads. Be warned they are quite long threads but well worth the time to read http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...hreadid=717034 (the original thread) http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...hreadid=790770 (the split thread)

03/17/2006, 01:38 PM	#119
ZURCSREEF Moved On Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Pembroke Pines, Fl Posts: 2,347	is it just taking it apart, taking out the impeller and putting in a propeller? How much is the mod altogether excluding the price of the powerhead?