cattleman's DIY drilling for 29 gallon and sump - Page 2

impur · 03/28/2006, 05:14 PM

IMO & IME your best bet is a smaller return pump such as a mag 5 at a max. I've had good luck with mag pumps. Then use a closed loop or something like a Seio in the display for the bulk of your flow.

Benny Z · 03/28/2006, 06:48 PM

i'm using an eheim 1250 on my 29g, but i ordered a mag3 yesterday, which should be about the same flow...maybe a tad more. i supplemented flow w/ 3 bukheads at the bottom of the tank blowing through the liverock structure (tank is bare bottom).

it's a virgin tank...established friday.

a buddy of mine has a spare 29g, so i'm going to drill it as soon as the diamond bit gets here...hopefully this week...and trade him tanks. i'll post pics of the overflow i put on it. i'm going to use two 1" bulkheads to help keep down any possible gurgling. ...although the tank is darn quiet as is with the external overflow box.

Steve2k6 · 03/28/2006, 07:58 PM

Here is my 30G AGA drilled the bottom yesterday and installed my durso today...

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/...94DSC03300.jpg

I was planning on a Mag5 for my return. I have to build a sump to fit under my cabinet....

According to the calculator for 600gph you need about 9" of overflow. I am going with a corner box 6"w x 3"D.

cherubfish pair · 03/29/2006, 07:20 PM

Steve2k6,
Where did you get your cabinet for your 30G? Could you show a picture of it?

cherubfish pair · 03/30/2006, 12:29 AM

Got an email from Dorothy at All-Glass--she said if the tag on the bottom of the tank is white, then none of the panels are tempered.

cherubfish pair · 03/30/2006, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by the cattleman
Can pumps for in-line pressure filters be used for direct sump return pumps?

What do you guys think of this as a sump return pump?

http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewIt...product=LG2123

It should be more efficient and last much longer than mags.

cherubfish pair · 03/30/2006, 09:40 PM

whoops! I have made the same post twice and can't seem to delete it.

cherubfish pair · 03/31/2006, 10:40 PM

What do you guys use to drill holes in acrylic? regular hole saw bits or diamond hole bits?

cherubfish pair · 03/31/2006, 10:45 PM

I found the crack in my sump tonight. It was right on a seam. I reinforced all seams with weld-on #16. Should have my 29G going by Sunday. This is not the tank I'm going to drill. The tank I'm going to drill will replace it.

cherubfish pair · 04/01/2006, 08:11 PM

I think the first thing I'm going to buy is the bulkheads.
Now for the bulkheads in the bottom of the corner overflow--one for drain to sump, and one for sump pump return through the bottom of the tank and out through the side of the corner overflow; do I need single threaded bulkheads or double threaded bulkheads?

cherubfish pair · 04/01/2006, 08:14 PM

Keep up the good work guys! I really appreciate all of you answering my questions through pm messaging!!!!

cherubfish pair · 04/02/2006, 03:48 PM

I can't get any pix of my reinstalled 29 gallon untill my son's birthday pictures are out of the digital camera.

I will post pixs soon!

cherubfish pair · 04/06/2006, 11:05 PM

Should Iwaki pumps be fastened to the tank stand?

ctsieber · 04/07/2006, 07:00 AM

external pumps should have something between them and the stand to absorb vibrations. I use extra large rubber feet bettween the pump and a peice of wood and sit it in the stand.

Quote:

Originally posted by the cattleman
Should Iwaki pumps be fastened to the tank stand?

Steve2k6 · 04/07/2006, 08:35 AM

Sorry it took so long CM. I got the babineta my LFS. It was about $150 or so. It is light oak and has 2 doors on the front. I wll post some pics today. I have made quite a bit of progress..I have drilled and plumbed the tank. I made an internal overflow out of 1/8 Black acrylic that I bent.

mhurley · 04/08/2006, 06:38 AM

This thread has been moved to the current forum.

cherubfish pair · 04/08/2006, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ctsieber
external pumps should have something between them and the stand to absorb vibrations. I use extra large rubber feet bettween the pump and a peice of wood and sit it in the stand.

How do you connect the pump to the sump? It must be more than just screwing it into its bulkhead?

cherubfish pair · 04/08/2006, 11:09 PM

There's a standpipe kit at wetdry with a 1" drain, but the bulkhead is 3/4". Does this mean the bulkhead is doublethreaded?

ctsieber · 04/10/2006, 07:07 AM

how do you want to connect it to your sump? drill a hole in the sump, put a bulk head on it, and run a line into the external pump. Make your you put a valve on it so you can throttle back the pump if need be. if it was me i would just use a mag for the return pump.

Quote:

Originally posted by the cattleman
How do you connect the pump to the sump? It must be more than just screwing it into its bulkhead?

fgarvine · 04/10/2006, 07:17 AM

The bottom can be drilled. AG/Oceanic bottoms are not tempered. Tempered can also be drilled with an abrasion bit=very slow but it works...

cherubfish pair · 04/10/2006, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by the cattleman
I can't get any pix of my reinstalled 29 gallon untill my son's birthday pictures are out of the digital camera. I will post pixs soon!

I'm having trouble with the picture thing. I need a link to an article from last months RK Magizine by gregr called Shutterbug.

cherubfish pair · 04/11/2006, 09:47 PM

How do the different standpipes for corner overflow rank for noise? Such as durso, stockman, or just a straight pipe with a bunch of holes drilled in the bottom, etc.?

cherubfish pair · 04/12/2006, 09:00 PM

Anybody know about how much it would cost to have a 29 gallon cabinet and canopy custom built by a cabinet maker? Any guess within the nearest one hundred dollars? I'm talking oak.

cherubfish pair · 04/13/2006, 04:15 PM

Has anybody modified a cpr 'fuge to fit their sump?

cherubfish pair · 04/14/2006, 10:07 PM

Please not that the 1" drain is the standpipe.

Quote:

Originally posted by the cattleman
There's a standpipe kit at wetdry with a 1" drain, but the bulkhead is 3/4". Does this mean the bulkhead is double threaded?

Christian emailed me to say his 3/4" bulkheads are thread x slip.

Looks like all his 3/4" bulkheads are schedule 80 which takes a bigger glass drill than standard pvc.

03/28/2006, 05:14 PM	#26
impur Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Eugene, OR Posts: 4,262	IMO & IME your best bet is a smaller return pump such as a mag 5 at a max. I've had good luck with mag pumps. Then use a closed loop or something like a Seio in the display for the bulk of your flow. __________________ Great spirits often encounter violent opposition from mediocre minds. Current Tank Info: 75gal, 20gal sump, 6-54w T5 TEK

03/28/2006, 07:58 PM	#28
Steve2k6 Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 21	Here is my 30G AGA drilled the bottom yesterday and installed my durso today... http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/...94DSC03300.jpg I was planning on a Mag5 for my return. I have to build a sump to fit under my cabinet.... According to the calculator for 600gph you need about 9" of overflow. I am going with a corner box 6"w x 3"D. __________________ Rest In Peace Layne Staley!!!! Hard to believe its been 4 Years. You are sorely misssed...

03/29/2006, 07:20 PM	#29
cherubfish pair Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Libby, Montana Posts: 7,061 Blog Entries: 1	Steve2k6, Where did you get your cabinet for your 30G? Could you show a picture of it? __________________ pairo chero Thanks for looking at my build thread and subscribe to it if you already haven't yet! Current Tank Info: thirty rimless

03/30/2006, 12:29 AM	#30
cherubfish pair Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Libby, Montana Posts: 7,061 Blog Entries: 1	Got an email from Dorothy at All-Glass--she said if the tag on the bottom of the tank is white, then none of the panels are tempered. __________________ pairo chero Thanks for looking at my build thread and subscribe to it if you already haven't yet! Current Tank Info: thirty rimless

03/30/2006, 09:40 PM	#32
cherubfish pair Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Libby, Montana Posts: 7,061 Blog Entries: 1	whoops! I have made the same post twice and can't seem to delete it. __________________ pairo chero Thanks for looking at my build thread and subscribe to it if you already haven't yet! Current Tank Info: thirty rimless

03/28/2006, 06:48 PM	#27
Benny Z Moved On Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: bloomington, il Posts: 2,246	i'm using an eheim 1250 on my 29g, but i ordered a mag3 yesterday, which should be about the same flow...maybe a tad more. i supplemented flow w/ 3 bukheads at the bottom of the tank blowing through the liverock structure (tank is bare bottom). it's a virgin tank...established friday. a buddy of mine has a spare 29g, so i'm going to drill it as soon as the diamond bit gets here...hopefully this week...and trade him tanks. i'll post pics of the overflow i put on it. i'm going to use two 1" bulkheads to help keep down any possible gurgling. ...although the tank is darn quiet as is with the external overflow box.

03/31/2006, 10:40 PM	#33
cherubfish pair Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Libby, Montana Posts: 7,061 Blog Entries: 1	What do you guys use to drill holes in acrylic? regular hole saw bits or diamond hole bits? __________________ pairo chero Thanks for looking at my build thread and subscribe to it if you already haven't yet! Current Tank Info: thirty rimless

03/31/2006, 10:45 PM	#34
cherubfish pair Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Libby, Montana Posts: 7,061 Blog Entries: 1	I found the crack in my sump tonight. It was right on a seam. I reinforced all seams with weld-on #16. Should have my 29G going by Sunday. This is not the tank I'm going to drill. The tank I'm going to drill will replace it. __________________ pairo chero Thanks for looking at my build thread and subscribe to it if you already haven't yet! Current Tank Info: thirty rimless

04/01/2006, 08:11 PM	#35
cherubfish pair Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Libby, Montana Posts: 7,061 Blog Entries: 1	I think the first thing I'm going to buy is the bulkheads. Now for the bulkheads in the bottom of the corner overflow--one for drain to sump, and one for sump pump return through the bottom of the tank and out through the side of the corner overflow; do I need single threaded bulkheads or double threaded bulkheads? __________________ pairo chero Thanks for looking at my build thread and subscribe to it if you already haven't yet! Current Tank Info: thirty rimless

04/01/2006, 08:14 PM	#36
cherubfish pair Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Libby, Montana Posts: 7,061 Blog Entries: 1	Keep up the good work guys! I really appreciate all of you answering my questions through pm messaging!!!! __________________ pairo chero Thanks for looking at my build thread and subscribe to it if you already haven't yet! Current Tank Info: thirty rimless

04/02/2006, 03:48 PM	#37
cherubfish pair Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Libby, Montana Posts: 7,061 Blog Entries: 1	I can't get any pix of my reinstalled 29 gallon untill my son's birthday pictures are out of the digital camera. I will post pixs soon! __________________ pairo chero Thanks for looking at my build thread and subscribe to it if you already haven't yet! Current Tank Info: thirty rimless

04/06/2006, 11:05 PM	#38
cherubfish pair Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Libby, Montana Posts: 7,061 Blog Entries: 1	Should Iwaki pumps be fastened to the tank stand? __________________ pairo chero Thanks for looking at my build thread and subscribe to it if you already haven't yet! Current Tank Info: thirty rimless

04/07/2006, 08:35 AM	#40
Steve2k6 Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 21	Sorry it took so long CM. I got the babineta my LFS. It was about $150 or so. It is light oak and has 2 doors on the front. I wll post some pics today. I have made quite a bit of progress..I have drilled and plumbed the tank. I made an internal overflow out of 1/8 Black acrylic that I bent. __________________ Rest In Peace Layne Staley!!!! Hard to believe its been 4 Years. You are sorely misssed...

04/08/2006, 06:38 AM	#41
mhurley RC Staff Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Illinois'ish Posts: 38,805	This thread has been moved to the current forum. __________________ Mike Current Tank Info: 60G Cube

04/08/2006, 11:09 PM	#43
cherubfish pair Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Libby, Montana Posts: 7,061 Blog Entries: 1	There's a standpipe kit at wetdry with a 1" drain, but the bulkhead is 3/4". Does this mean the bulkhead is doublethreaded? __________________ pairo chero Thanks for looking at my build thread and subscribe to it if you already haven't yet! Current Tank Info: thirty rimless

04/10/2006, 07:17 AM	#45
fgarvine Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Ky Posts: 126	The bottom can be drilled. AG/Oceanic bottoms are not tempered. Tempered can also be drilled with an abrasion bit=very slow but it works...

04/11/2006, 09:47 PM	#47
cherubfish pair Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Libby, Montana Posts: 7,061 Blog Entries: 1	How do the different standpipes for corner overflow rank for noise? Such as durso, stockman, or just a straight pipe with a bunch of holes drilled in the bottom, etc.? __________________ pairo chero Thanks for looking at my build thread and subscribe to it if you already haven't yet! Current Tank Info: thirty rimless

04/12/2006, 09:00 PM	#48
cherubfish pair Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Libby, Montana Posts: 7,061 Blog Entries: 1	Anybody know about how much it would cost to have a 29 gallon cabinet and canopy custom built by a cabinet maker? Any guess within the nearest one hundred dollars? I'm talking oak. __________________ pairo chero Thanks for looking at my build thread and subscribe to it if you already haven't yet! Current Tank Info: thirty rimless

04/13/2006, 04:15 PM	#49
cherubfish pair Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Libby, Montana Posts: 7,061 Blog Entries: 1	Has anybody modified a cpr 'fuge to fit their sump? __________________ pairo chero Thanks for looking at my build thread and subscribe to it if you already haven't yet! Current Tank Info: thirty rimless