I just got Kauai Live sand!!

Nano_reeflover · 04/12/2006, 07:40 PM

My grandparents just got back from Kauai and brought about 4 lbs of sand from a beach on the south side. Its a nice brown color and is really soft feeling. I'll post some pics of it here: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...hreadid=815801

dippin61 · 04/12/2006, 09:52 PM

that sand looks dry.. and if it is.. that is just sand, not live sand.

davocean · 04/12/2006, 10:41 PM

Bad Hawaiian Taboo!!

Nano_reeflover · 04/12/2006, 11:12 PM

I'm not stupid, I know the difference between live/wet and dry/"dead" sand. Thanks for the observation.

"bad hawaiian taboo"

Luckily that is only with lava rocks. Well, I hope so anyway

starseed · 04/12/2006, 11:33 PM

That's right - only lava rock - should have a bunch of new critters soon - by the way, the legal limit is only 1 cup/1 Lb. of live sand from Hawaii - good thing customs didn't see it or take it seriously - if even one coral polyp found by customs, very bad things could happen.

JCDelbeek · 04/13/2006, 12:52 AM

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by the way, the legal limit is only 1 cup/1 Lb. of live sand from Hawaii - good thing customs didn't see it or take it seriously - if even one coral polyp found by customs, very bad things could happen.

Just some corrections here:

The limit is one gallon per person per day.

There is no "customs" to go through, Hawaii is a state in the US ... not a foreign country!

The problem comes if you are caught collecting the sand .. if you collect more than the legal limit per day, you are looking at a substantial fine and possible jail time.

Sand along the surf line has very little in the way of "critters" in it.

The only way to get caught leaving the state is when your baggage is x-rayed by state ag officials.

Aloha!
JCD

Nano_reeflover · 04/13/2006, 07:55 AM

Actually, the bag that the sand was in got searched and the "officials" searching it didnt care about the sand.

JumboShrimp · 04/13/2006, 08:07 AM

Do the viniger test - Put some of the sand in a cup, and pour some viniger on it. If it Fizzes, or bubbles a little bit, then its calcium based, and therefore what you want in your tank. If not, then its probably Silicate sand, witch is no good for reef tanks. If you do use it, I would suggest seeding it with some live sand.

skylsdale · 04/13/2006, 02:40 PM

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If it Fizzes, or bubbles a little bit, then its calcium based, and therefore what you want in your tank. If not, then its probably Silicate sand, witch is no good for reef tanks.

You mean silicA sand...not silcATE sand. And just to clear things up, silica sand is inert, so there is no harm it will cause to your tank. Silicates, however, are a different matter. Understand the difference.

I agree with Delbeek: unless your grandparents went out beyond the surf and dove down to collect the sand...there's not really anything 'live' about it.

omni2226 · 04/13/2006, 03:46 PM

Always nitpickers....sigh...why cant you people just say "man thats cool, your granparents doing that for ya enjoy the new sand!"

Fuegofish777 · 04/13/2006, 04:03 PM

ya my girlfriend is in hawaii right now and i asked her to bring me back a cup of sand. ya it wont be live but how many people can say they have actual sand from hawaii???

Kinetic · 04/13/2006, 04:07 PM

man thats cool, your grandparents doing that for ya enjoy the new sand

Hattie B · 04/13/2006, 04:16 PM

Koden--
You are too funny..

Enjoy your new sand.. I don't have any sand from Hawaii in my tank so I think its cool....

Nano_reeflover · 04/13/2006, 04:21 PM

Thanks omni2226 and others. Sometimes I regret even posting because people always have to be nitpickers just like you said. I never asked if it was silica sand (which I have in my tank, so I know the difference between silica and calcium based). I already have "live" sand in my tank, why would I need to or want to seed the stuff from Hawaii? I just thought it was cool that my grandparents did that for me and thought maybe some of you guys would think the same thing. Well, maybe I was wrong. Guess I shouldn't post about good fortune on this site anymore, seems to me that people thrive off of misfortune.

Anemone · 04/13/2006, 04:33 PM

Nano,

This is a discussion site. If you post something here, expect it to be discussed.

Kevin

reeformadness · 04/13/2006, 04:43 PM

I like good debate...but this is rediculous...If you said silicone i would know what you meant. Congrats on the sand, too often in the pet trade we don't really know where our stuff comes from. I'm interested in biotope aquaria myself and am having a very difficult time finding organisms (mainly molluscs) that are native to the Great Barrier Reef (which is dying by the way LOL). By the way, the surf zone does promote life in the sand as well. So live sand from Hawaii it is!

Kinetic · 04/13/2006, 04:43 PM

we need a:

"I want a pat on the back"

forum. and ban those who ever post anything other than: "good work" or "NICE! I'm jealous, you're my idol, you're like a god, so fortunate, wow, you've just become the next 6 foot poster above my bed"

hehe =)

but in all goodness, hawaii sand, that's something you can gloat about in your threads.

"Hey what kind of sand do you have?"

"I got it from Kauai"

Seroiusly, that'd be great.

what kind of bacteria / critters would you get in hawaiian sand?

Nano_reeflover · 04/13/2006, 04:45 PM

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Originally posted by Anemone
Nano,

This is a discussion site. If you post something here, expect it to be discussed.

Kevin

Yeah, and thats what I'm doing.

Anemone · 04/13/2006, 05:20 PM

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Originally posted by reeformadness
By the way, the surf zone does promote life in the sand as well. So live sand from Hawaii it is!

Charles Delbeek, a rather well known expert in the area of tropical reefs in general and Hawaiian waters in particular, didn't say that it had no life, just that it contained little in the way of critters.

Also, A LOT of folks read these threads, so ALL of the information was probably useful to someone, even if it wasn't what the thread originator wanted to hear.

FWIW,
Kevin

Kinetic · 04/13/2006, 05:34 PM

critters are sparse, but bacteria wise? any differences?

i think what I'm asking is, is bacteria / critters from one area better than from another?

fishfanv · 04/13/2006, 05:39 PM

congrats on your hawaii sand. who cares if it's live or not? that's really cool of your grandparents. aren't grandparents great? mine let me use their condo in maui for my honeymoon. man, i can hear maui calling now . . . i'd much rather be there than here in the bay where it's been raining for over a mo. now.

Kinetic · 04/13/2006, 06:09 PM

yeah, what in the world is up with this rain?

i hear hawaii's getting the same storms as us, it just hits us after it hits them.

Anemone · 04/13/2006, 07:53 PM

Yeah, stop sending all your norcal rain south, would ya?

Kevin

Anemone · 04/13/2006, 07:56 PM

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Originally posted by koden
critters are sparse, but bacteria wise? any differences?

i think what I'm asking is, is bacteria / critters from one area better than from another?

Unless there is some unusual contaminant, then bacteria type would be pretty much the same. Now, if you have some weird pollution or metals, then different bacteria might well be present. But for the sake of argument, the bacteria in the Hawaii sand should be fine, unless the grandparents collected it from a polluted inlet or harbor.

Kevin

Fuegofish777 · 04/13/2006, 08:12 PM

Anemone- hey at least its' sunny now, actually it was pretty darn hot today. sorry, off topic everyone but all in good fun... yay for hawaii sand!

04/12/2006, 07:40 PM	#1
Nano_reeflover Reefer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 449	I just got Kauai Live sand!! My grandparents just got back from Kauai and brought about 4 lbs of sand from a beach on the south side. Its a nice brown color and is really soft feeling. I'll post some pics of it here: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...hreadid=815801

04/12/2006, 09:52 PM	#2
dippin61 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,897	that sand looks dry.. and if it is.. that is just sand, not live sand. __________________ Reefers Law: It can take about 48 hours to brown, and 48 weeks to color back up! Current Tank Info: 55 Gallon BB Low Iron Glass, Dual 110w VHO Actinics, 250w PFO MH 20k XM

04/12/2006, 10:41 PM	#3
davocean Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 14,655	Bad Hawaiian Taboo!! __________________ There's a fine line between owning your tank and your tank owning you! Current Tank Info: SCA 120g RR Starfire, Tunze silence 1073.02 return, 40g sump w/ fuge, SWC Extreme 160 cone skimmer,Geismann reflexx 4xT5, 2x Panorama Pro LED strips, Vortech MP40QD

04/13/2006, 08:07 AM	#8
JumboShrimp Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Centreville VA Posts: 1,753	Do the viniger test - Put some of the sand in a cup, and pour some viniger on it. If it Fizzes, or bubbles a little bit, then its calcium based, and therefore what you want in your tank. If not, then its probably Silicate sand, witch is no good for reef tanks. If you do use it, I would suggest seeding it with some live sand. __________________ Would it be the same if I emptied a bag of money into a glass box? Current Tank Info: 75 Gallon glass, Aqua C Remora skimmer w/ maxi-jet 1200; 260watt PC lighting; 80 lbs of fiji LR; 2-2.5 inches of crushed (sugar sized) argonite.

04/13/2006, 03:46 PM	#10
omni2226 Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Middle Florida Posts: 774	Always nitpickers....sigh...why cant you people just say "man thats cool, your granparents doing that for ya enjoy the new sand!" __________________ I know enough to know I know nothing. Current Tank Info: 55 Marine. 29 Freshwater planted.

04/12/2006, 11:12 PM	#4
Nano_reeflover Reefer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 449	I'm not stupid, I know the difference between live/wet and dry/"dead" sand. Thanks for the observation. "bad hawaiian taboo" Luckily that is only with lava rocks. Well, I hope so anyway

04/12/2006, 11:33 PM	#5
starseed Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: San Francisco Posts: 275	That's right - only lava rock - should have a bunch of new critters soon - by the way, the legal limit is only 1 cup/1 Lb. of live sand from Hawaii - good thing customs didn't see it or take it seriously - if even one coral polyp found by customs, very bad things could happen.

04/13/2006, 07:55 AM	#7
Nano_reeflover Reefer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 449	Actually, the bag that the sand was in got searched and the "officials" searching it didnt care about the sand.

04/13/2006, 04:03 PM	#11
Fuegofish777 Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: S. California Posts: 1,191	ya my girlfriend is in hawaii right now and i asked her to bring me back a cup of sand. ya it wont be live but how many people can say they have actual sand from hawaii???

04/13/2006, 04:07 PM	#12
Kinetic Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 7,230	man thats cool, your grandparents doing that for ya enjoy the new sand

04/13/2006, 04:16 PM	#13
Hattie B Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: California Posts: 738	Koden-- You are too funny.. Enjoy your new sand.. I don't have any sand from Hawaii in my tank so I think its cool.... __________________ I'm growing older but not up... A person can solve a lot of problems by FIRST using a QT tank.. QT all new fish. I like softies =) Current Tank Info: 75gal and 50gal rimless :)

04/13/2006, 04:21 PM	#14
Nano_reeflover Reefer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 449	Thanks omni2226 and others. Sometimes I regret even posting because people always have to be nitpickers just like you said. I never asked if it was silica sand (which I have in my tank, so I know the difference between silica and calcium based). I already have "live" sand in my tank, why would I need to or want to seed the stuff from Hawaii? I just thought it was cool that my grandparents did that for me and thought maybe some of you guys would think the same thing. Well, maybe I was wrong. Guess I shouldn't post about good fortune on this site anymore, seems to me that people thrive off of misfortune.

04/13/2006, 04:33 PM	#15
Anemone Cloning Around Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Valencia, California Posts: 25,267	Nano, This is a discussion site. If you post something here, expect it to be discussed. Kevin __________________ Back in the pool, swimming with the sharks... Current Tank Info: Red Sea 425XL w/Kessil AP700, Vertex 180i Skimmer, 2 x Vortech MP40s

04/13/2006, 04:43 PM	#16
reeformadness Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Gulfport, MS Posts: 650	I like good debate...but this is rediculous...If you said silicone i would know what you meant. Congrats on the sand, too often in the pet trade we don't really know where our stuff comes from. I'm interested in biotope aquaria myself and am having a very difficult time finding organisms (mainly molluscs) that are native to the Great Barrier Reef (which is dying by the way LOL). By the way, the surf zone does promote life in the sand as well. So live sand from Hawaii it is!

04/13/2006, 05:34 PM	#20
Kinetic Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 7,230	critters are sparse, but bacteria wise? any differences? i think what I'm asking is, is bacteria / critters from one area better than from another?

04/13/2006, 05:39 PM	#21
fishfanv Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: sf bay area Posts: 768	congrats on your hawaii sand. who cares if it's live or not? that's really cool of your grandparents. aren't grandparents great? mine let me use their condo in maui for my honeymoon. man, i can hear maui calling now . . . i'd much rather be there than here in the bay where it's been raining for over a mo. now. __________________ "yes we can" Current Tank Info: 40 & 30 gallon reefs

04/13/2006, 06:09 PM	#22
Kinetic Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 7,230	yeah, what in the world is up with this rain? i hear hawaii's getting the same storms as us, it just hits us after it hits them.

04/13/2006, 07:53 PM	#23
Anemone Cloning Around Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Valencia, California Posts: 25,267	Yeah, stop sending all your norcal rain south, would ya? Kevin __________________ Back in the pool, swimming with the sharks... Current Tank Info: Red Sea 425XL w/Kessil AP700, Vertex 180i Skimmer, 2 x Vortech MP40s

04/13/2006, 08:12 PM	#25
Fuegofish777 Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: S. California Posts: 1,191	Anemone- hey at least its' sunny now, actually it was pretty darn hot today. sorry, off topic everyone but all in good fun... yay for hawaii sand!