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NexDog · 04/12/2006, 12:44 AM

Should that be only done when AEFW's are identified? I've just been doing the standard dip...

Travis · 04/12/2006, 08:20 AM

Yup, that is only for AEFW's.

Finally, a day that I get up and check on the corals and no new signs of RTN.

NexDog · 04/12/2006, 08:42 AM

Good to hear. So when can you put the tank together again?

maxxII · 04/12/2006, 08:56 AM

There you go! One step at a time. Things will be rocking again in no time!

Nick

arconom · 04/12/2006, 09:13 AM

Is there a dormant period?

For example if I have them will the become active right away? Or could they lay in dormantcy for months?

I know I spelled Dormant wrong!!

Thanks for the correction

maxxII · 04/12/2006, 09:25 AM

Arconom,
The theory is that the eggs take about 2 weeks to hatch, and that the newly hatched flatworms will be able to begin feeding and lay more eggs shortly there after. I'm guessing that w/o food, no egg laying will occur. So if you can break the cycle by frequent dips and leaving the main tank w/o acros for a period of about 4-6 weeks, you should be in the clear.

BTW, its dormant.

Nick

poknsnok · 04/12/2006, 09:26 AM

think they are active right away.. just real real tiny. as they grow they become more noticable and much more noticably destructive.

yesterday i overdosed my new frags with TMPCC (40ppm) all seem ok this am.. polyp ext etc.. one of the efflos looks a little rough but there has been no RTN or STN. did you ever hear anything on the TMPCC being effective on the red bugs?

arconom · 04/12/2006, 09:34 AM

Jackson6745 said he would pop up on this thread.

Travis · 04/12/2006, 09:55 AM

This is just my own "theory", but I believe from my own experience that the FW's can be present but not noticable for quite a while. Then when something happens to stress out a coral(s) they are able to really take off. It could also be that they stay so small for so long that it takes a while before you notice them. Then by the time you do notice them, there is already a major infestation. One report I read, is that they stay so small that you cannot see them even with a magnifying glass for 3 months after hatching, and they are still capable of reproducing this whole time.

poknsnok, glad to hear the positive results so far. Please keep us updated.

NexDog, if all goes well, I will be doing my last treatment when I get back from IMAC in about 3 weeks and will then be moving the corals back into the display.

Travis · 04/15/2006, 11:55 AM

Decided to go ahead and do round 2 last night. I was going to wait until the Reef Dip came in but I decided that if I wanted to keep on track with the treatment protocol, I would not be able to wait. The Reef Dip won't be here until Monday at the earliest. These treatments take me about 8.5 hours to do so I don't have time to do them during the week. This means if I waited for the Reef Dip, I wouldn't be able to do round 2 until next weekend, which is 2 weeks after round 1. So I decided to give the levamisole another shot.

Note to self: don't start treatment at 10pm ever again.

I got some weird hair up my bum and ended up pulling an all-nighter and got to bed at 7am.

I went down to check the tank at 4 hours into the treatment and couldn't believe what I saw. A bunch of large live AEFW's stuck on the bottom of the tank again.

I was expecting to not see a single FW this time around. These were large and obviously survived through round 1. There were still more blowing off the corals when I blasted them too. This time I made sure to really blast them good getting every nook and crannie the best I could. After blasting each coral I examined every inch of it for any more AEFW's that I could see or any egg clutches. I found several egg clutches. Before, I thought they would only lay eggs on dead/receded areas of the coral. I proved myself wrong. They had layed eggs at the bases of several corals that had no recession. The eggs would be on the live rock base or epoxy base right next to the healthy tissue of the coral. I guess they want to plant their young in convenient areas so all they do is hatch and go right to town on the coral. I found probably the same number of adult live FW's as I did in round 1. On average, they were smaller this time and could easily have gone by unseen had I not stared at certain areas for a while. In some cases, I looked a spot over real good and didn't see anything only to look at the same spot again 1 minute later only to find a couple FW's there. Even when you know what you are looking for, these things can be hard to see.

The corals look much less stressed this time around. Hopefully, that means I will suffer less RTN in the next couple days (as I knock on wood).

I did save as many live ones as I could find by sucking them into a gallon pail with a 1/4" RO line. And this time I put fresh tank water in the pail so they wouldn't die on me right away.

This levamisole treatment just doesn't seem to be working out for me. I was surprised to see so many FW's alive at the end of round 1 and blown away to see almost the same # alive again after round 2. Unfortuanately, I will need to start over from scratch with my 4 treatments because I have not yet broken the FW life cycle, since I found a bunch of adults that had survived the first round. I plan to treat for 3 more weeks after the first treatment I do where I treat and see no live adults. That means I still have 4 or more treatments/weeks to go. I need to stay the course and not bail out prematurely or I will have waisted my time.

I did test 1 FW in a cup of water with 1 cap of Reef Dip. The FW was pretty much mush by the end of the 15 minutes. But I'm not sure if I feel safe putting a coral in that solution for that amount of time yet. The solution was pretty much black and you couldn't see anything in it. I've had acros bleach from much weaker Reef Dip solutions at only 10 minutes. The test FW may have already been weak as it had just gone through 5 hours of 40 ppm levamisole so that could have contributed to the Reef Dip working so well also. I plan to let a couple of them "recover" a bit and then try the Reef Dip again. I may take a "less desirable" frag and put a live adult FW on it and try the dip and see what happens with the FW and the coral.

tangdiver · 04/15/2006, 01:49 PM

Dang man...I am think the same as you...gonna try round two of levamisole...at same concentration as last time...under overestimated water by 5 gallons...did treatment for 40 and had 35 gallons...oh well...I might not be seeing them or I do not have them...blasting corals, and dipping...but not seeing any?

I will let you know how they go for me starting Monday again...1 week after...will see...

Good luck, God helping, me praying...no more RTN

Grant

Travis · 04/15/2006, 06:11 PM

Hey Grant, IMO (in my opinion) and IME (in my experience) it is not worth the time or stress to the corals to treat with levamisole again. Do you know when you will be getting the Reef Dip in? From when you ordered, I would guess early in the week if they shipped it out right away. If you can wait an extra day or 2, I would just do the Reef Dip (after experimenting on a couple pieces first to make sure they handle it ok). But if it is going to be a little while before the Reef Dip comes in, then I would just hit them with the levamisole again.

I just went to do some experimenting on the live FW's I saved and they are all dead. The water in the bucket smelled really nasty and I couldn't even find any FW's in it. They all dissolved or broke into very small pieces. I kept the water fresh and floated it in the sump to stabilize the temp. I'm guessing that the FW's in the bucket either:
A) Were going to die either way. The poison was in them just needed to circulate through their system a little longer (similar to a human being stung by a venomous snake or spider)
or
B) Some of them died right away and polluted the water in the bucket, causing the others to die shortly after.

melev · 04/15/2006, 11:13 PM

Any pictures of the living ones this time, on a coral perhaps?

Travis, check out this coral, and let me know if you see anything you recognize. http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...59#post7185559

Lunchbucket · 04/16/2006, 08:07 AM

Travis - man that doesn't sound good. i was hoping/thinking that ALL FW's would be dead fo-sho after the treatment. when you haven't noticed that it makes me kind of nervous!! why are yours not dieing?? or are they dieing after the poison flows through them long enough.

this is disturbing to a lot of us! i hope your corals do well and make it though...i feel bad for you buddy. lets just hope no one else aroudn here has them.

later buddy
Lunchbucket

tangdiver · 04/16/2006, 08:17 AM

Then they grew that fast over 1 week...not understanding I guess...will have to talk to ya tonight if possible...call me when you can...or will talk Monday...

Grant

tangdiver · 04/16/2006, 03:21 PM

Were you storing FW in levamosle water or reg. tank water, until experiements?

Grant

Travis · 04/16/2006, 08:13 PM

melev, I didn't get any pictures this time. I didn't see living ones on the corals like last time. But I think I did see some get blown off the corals during the blasting, but these could have been FW's already blowing around in the water. I will check out that thread.

tangdiver, I don't think they are growing that fast in a week. I just can't imagine it could be possible for them to hatch out of a teeny tiny egg and grow to 3/8" in a week. They have to be ones that survived the first treatment. This time around, I stored the FW's in regular tank water in hopes that they would survive. Feel free to give me a call tonight if you're still up and not busy.

Travis · 04/17/2006, 11:33 PM

Alright, you guys aren't going to believe this... Anybody remember this:

and this:

Those are the pics I used for the UPS claim that was filed. That is the skimmer that was sent to UPS claims.

Well lookie what I strolled across today: (it is the last post on this page, I didn't want to directly post the pic here as it is not my property)
http://www.manhattanreefs.com/forum/...thread-38.html

Anyone notice any similarities?

asnatlas · 04/17/2006, 11:40 PM

HAHA, I saw that and for a sec thought about you and I was like na... I was thinking to myself how would someone get his hands on a BK with out a RD... Now I know

Heinz · 04/18/2006, 01:20 AM

thats actually funny

but what ever happen to the RD that was broken ? didn't ups auction it too ?

tangdiver · 04/18/2006, 06:59 AM

Wonder what it brought? Not new price but still some$$

Grant

Lunchbucket · 04/18/2006, 01:52 PM

CRAZY! have you contacted the guy?

so UPS just auctions all the broke stuff off? or did this guy just snag it from someone at UPS??

Lunchbucket

Travis · 04/18/2006, 03:03 PM

I have been in contact with the guy. He did get it by 100% legit means. Just funny that I saw it again. I knew it was the same one as soon as I looked at that pic. This world is so large and yet so small at the same time.

Travis · 04/19/2006, 12:04 AM

I decided to test some frags in the Reef Dip solution tonight. For those that don't remember, this solution is 1 capful of Reef Dip per cup of tank water. I had 9 capfuls of reef dip left in my bottle so that allowed me to make up a 9 cup solution, which was a little over 1/2 gallon of water. I did the dip in a 1 gallon ice cream pail. I did 3 rounds with the same dip solution. Each round, I stuffed as many frags as I could fit in the pail and set the timer for 15 minutes. I then filled another pail with water from the quarantine tank. After the 15 minutes, I took each coral and blasted it with a MJ 400 (very gentle flow) in the second pale before returning the frags to the quarantine tank. I should have only treated a few "test" frags but I got ambitious (see stupid) and did 3 batches for a total of about 25 frags. I got done about an hour ago. I just went down to check on the corals I treated and they do not look good at all. Tissue is completely peeling off about 5 of them already.

And this is only 1 hour after the treatment. Most of these corals were perfectly healthy and had no problems with the levamisole treatments. It looks like I'm gonna have to look for yet another alternative. I think it is time to see if I can score some TMPCC.

clkwrk · 04/19/2006, 12:17 AM

Sorry to hear of the continued trouble. I have not tried the levamisole treatments so I have nothing to add on that note. But I have been using the TMPCC since it was avail in the US I have had good success so far with only seeing damage every once in a while . My main thing is I treated all my corals and I continue to blow off my corals in front of the streams . My wrasses have eagle vision and eat any that fly off. I believe this has woorked the best . So far I have lost a few frags to them but not any whole coral.

Good luck

04/12/2006, 12:44 AM	#476
NexDog Snail Killer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kyushu, Japan Posts: 4,804	Should that be only done when AEFW's are identified? I've just been doing the standard dip... __________________ Laurence Flynn 340g In-Wall Envision Tank and 150g Sump. Current Tank Info: Deltec 902, PFO hood with 3x400w Radium 20k and 4x96w PC's. Hammerhead closed loop - and 2 x Tunze 6105 (and Vortech still sucks).

04/12/2006, 08:20 AM	#477
Travis 10 and over club Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Posts: 5,525	Yup, that is only for AEFW's. Finally, a day that I get up and check on the corals and no new signs of RTN. __________________ TOTM August 08 An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Current Tank Info: 280 sps w/ 75 LPS, 75 refugium, 120 sump

04/12/2006, 08:42 AM	#478
NexDog Snail Killer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kyushu, Japan Posts: 4,804	Good to hear. So when can you put the tank together again? __________________ Laurence Flynn 340g In-Wall Envision Tank and 150g Sump. Current Tank Info: Deltec 902, PFO hood with 3x400w Radium 20k and 4x96w PC's. Hammerhead closed loop - and 2 x Tunze 6105 (and Vortech still sucks).

04/12/2006, 08:56 AM	#479
maxxII Super Housemonkey! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: St Louis Mo Posts: 4,442	There you go! One step at a time. Things will be rocking again in no time! Nick __________________ A good friend will come and bail you out of jail...but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn, that was fun!"

04/12/2006, 09:13 AM	#480
arconom Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Middletown, NY Posts: 2,126	Is there a dormant period? For example if I have them will the become active right away? Or could they lay in dormantcy for months? I know I spelled Dormant wrong!! Thanks for the correction Last edited by arconom; 04/12/2006 at 09:33 AM.

04/12/2006, 09:25 AM	#481
maxxII Super Housemonkey! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: St Louis Mo Posts: 4,442	Arconom, The theory is that the eggs take about 2 weeks to hatch, and that the newly hatched flatworms will be able to begin feeding and lay more eggs shortly there after. I'm guessing that w/o food, no egg laying will occur. So if you can break the cycle by frequent dips and leaving the main tank w/o acros for a period of about 4-6 weeks, you should be in the clear. BTW, its dormant. Nick __________________ A good friend will come and bail you out of jail...but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn, that was fun!"

04/12/2006, 09:26 AM	#482
poknsnok Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: tampa/ Brandon Posts: 2,802	think they are active right away.. just real real tiny. as they grow they become more noticable and much more noticably destructive. yesterday i overdosed my new frags with TMPCC (40ppm) all seem ok this am.. polyp ext etc.. one of the efflos looks a little rough but there has been no RTN or STN. did you ever hear anything on the TMPCC being effective on the red bugs?

04/12/2006, 09:34 AM	#483
arconom Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Middletown, NY Posts: 2,126	Jackson6745 said he would pop up on this thread.

04/12/2006, 09:55 AM	#484
Travis 10 and over club Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Posts: 5,525	This is just my own "theory", but I believe from my own experience that the FW's can be present but not noticable for quite a while. Then when something happens to stress out a coral(s) they are able to really take off. It could also be that they stay so small for so long that it takes a while before you notice them. Then by the time you do notice them, there is already a major infestation. One report I read, is that they stay so small that you cannot see them even with a magnifying glass for 3 months after hatching, and they are still capable of reproducing this whole time. poknsnok, glad to hear the positive results so far. Please keep us updated. NexDog, if all goes well, I will be doing my last treatment when I get back from IMAC in about 3 weeks and will then be moving the corals back into the display. __________________ TOTM August 08 An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Current Tank Info: 280 sps w/ 75 LPS, 75 refugium, 120 sump

04/15/2006, 11:55 AM	#485
Travis 10 and over club Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Posts: 5,525	Decided to go ahead and do round 2 last night. I was going to wait until the Reef Dip came in but I decided that if I wanted to keep on track with the treatment protocol, I would not be able to wait. The Reef Dip won't be here until Monday at the earliest. These treatments take me about 8.5 hours to do so I don't have time to do them during the week. This means if I waited for the Reef Dip, I wouldn't be able to do round 2 until next weekend, which is 2 weeks after round 1. So I decided to give the levamisole another shot. Note to self: don't start treatment at 10pm ever again. I got some weird hair up my bum and ended up pulling an all-nighter and got to bed at 7am. I went down to check the tank at 4 hours into the treatment and couldn't believe what I saw. A bunch of large live AEFW's stuck on the bottom of the tank again. I was expecting to not see a single FW this time around. These were large and obviously survived through round 1. There were still more blowing off the corals when I blasted them too. This time I made sure to really blast them good getting every nook and crannie the best I could. After blasting each coral I examined every inch of it for any more AEFW's that I could see or any egg clutches. I found several egg clutches. Before, I thought they would only lay eggs on dead/receded areas of the coral. I proved myself wrong. They had layed eggs at the bases of several corals that had no recession. The eggs would be on the live rock base or epoxy base right next to the healthy tissue of the coral. I guess they want to plant their young in convenient areas so all they do is hatch and go right to town on the coral. I found probably the same number of adult live FW's as I did in round 1. On average, they were smaller this time and could easily have gone by unseen had I not stared at certain areas for a while. In some cases, I looked a spot over real good and didn't see anything only to look at the same spot again 1 minute later only to find a couple FW's there. Even when you know what you are looking for, these things can be hard to see. The corals look much less stressed this time around. Hopefully, that means I will suffer less RTN in the next couple days (as I knock on wood). I did save as many live ones as I could find by sucking them into a gallon pail with a 1/4" RO line. And this time I put fresh tank water in the pail so they wouldn't die on me right away. This levamisole treatment just doesn't seem to be working out for me. I was surprised to see so many FW's alive at the end of round 1 and blown away to see almost the same # alive again after round 2. Unfortuanately, I will need to start over from scratch with my 4 treatments because I have not yet broken the FW life cycle, since I found a bunch of adults that had survived the first round. I plan to treat for 3 more weeks after the first treatment I do where I treat and see no live adults. That means I still have 4 or more treatments/weeks to go. I need to stay the course and not bail out prematurely or I will have waisted my time. I did test 1 FW in a cup of water with 1 cap of Reef Dip. The FW was pretty much mush by the end of the 15 minutes. But I'm not sure if I feel safe putting a coral in that solution for that amount of time yet. The solution was pretty much black and you couldn't see anything in it. I've had acros bleach from much weaker Reef Dip solutions at only 10 minutes. The test FW may have already been weak as it had just gone through 5 hours of 40 ppm levamisole so that could have contributed to the Reef Dip working so well also. I plan to let a couple of them "recover" a bit and then try the Reef Dip again. I may take a "less desirable" frag and put a live adult FW on it and try the dip and see what happens with the FW and the coral. __________________ TOTM August 08 An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Current Tank Info: 280 sps w/ 75 LPS, 75 refugium, 120 sump

04/15/2006, 01:49 PM	#486
tangdiver Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sioux Falls South Dakota Posts: 1,231	Dang man...I am think the same as you...gonna try round two of levamisole...at same concentration as last time...under overestimated water by 5 gallons...did treatment for 40 and had 35 gallons...oh well...I might not be seeing them or I do not have them...blasting corals, and dipping...but not seeing any? I will let you know how they go for me starting Monday again...1 week after...will see... Good luck, God helping, me praying...no more RTN Grant __________________ Its unwise to pay to much or to little When U pay to much U lose a little $ When U pay to little U sometimes lose it all because the thing U bought was incapable of doing the thing U bought it to do Current Tank Info: 6' long, 3' wide, 2' high, My tank is not worthy of Tank of the Month

04/15/2006, 06:11 PM	#487
Travis 10 and over club Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Posts: 5,525	Hey Grant, IMO (in my opinion) and IME (in my experience) it is not worth the time or stress to the corals to treat with levamisole again. Do you know when you will be getting the Reef Dip in? From when you ordered, I would guess early in the week if they shipped it out right away. If you can wait an extra day or 2, I would just do the Reef Dip (after experimenting on a couple pieces first to make sure they handle it ok). But if it is going to be a little while before the Reef Dip comes in, then I would just hit them with the levamisole again. I just went to do some experimenting on the live FW's I saved and they are all dead. The water in the bucket smelled really nasty and I couldn't even find any FW's in it. They all dissolved or broke into very small pieces. I kept the water fresh and floated it in the sump to stabilize the temp. I'm guessing that the FW's in the bucket either: A) Were going to die either way. The poison was in them just needed to circulate through their system a little longer (similar to a human being stung by a venomous snake or spider) or B) Some of them died right away and polluted the water in the bucket, causing the others to die shortly after. __________________ TOTM August 08 An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Current Tank Info: 280 sps w/ 75 LPS, 75 refugium, 120 sump

04/15/2006, 11:13 PM	#488
melev Moved On Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ft Worth, Tx Posts: 43,217	Any pictures of the living ones this time, on a coral perhaps? Travis, check out this coral, and let me know if you see anything you recognize. http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...59#post7185559 Last edited by melev; 04/15/2006 at 11:45 PM.

04/16/2006, 08:07 AM	#489
Lunchbucket Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Brookings, SD Posts: 12,924	Travis - man that doesn't sound good. i was hoping/thinking that ALL FW's would be dead fo-sho after the treatment. when you haven't noticed that it makes me kind of nervous!! why are yours not dieing?? or are they dieing after the poison flows through them long enough. this is disturbing to a lot of us! i hope your corals do well and make it though...i feel bad for you buddy. lets just hope no one else aroudn here has them. later buddy Lunchbucket __________________ Trying to lose weight by walking is like trying to bake a cake w/ a cigarette lighter - Lunchbucket - "Nancy-Boy Extraordinaire" - maxxII- Current Tank Info: 58gal Oceanic RR, 2x400w MH (20k XM and 10k XM), Deltec PF601 Ca Rx, Deltec AP701 skimmer, mag950 return, iwaki 55rlt w/ an Oceansmotions 4-way unit, Tunze 7300 and 6000 each w/ controller, fluidized po4 rx

04/16/2006, 08:17 AM	#490
tangdiver Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sioux Falls South Dakota Posts: 1,231	Then they grew that fast over 1 week...not understanding I guess...will have to talk to ya tonight if possible...call me when you can...or will talk Monday... Grant __________________ Its unwise to pay to much or to little When U pay to much U lose a little $ When U pay to little U sometimes lose it all because the thing U bought was incapable of doing the thing U bought it to do Current Tank Info: 6' long, 3' wide, 2' high, My tank is not worthy of Tank of the Month

04/16/2006, 03:21 PM	#491
tangdiver Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sioux Falls South Dakota Posts: 1,231	Were you storing FW in levamosle water or reg. tank water, until experiements? Grant __________________ Its unwise to pay to much or to little When U pay to much U lose a little $ When U pay to little U sometimes lose it all because the thing U bought was incapable of doing the thing U bought it to do Current Tank Info: 6' long, 3' wide, 2' high, My tank is not worthy of Tank of the Month

04/16/2006, 08:13 PM	#492
Travis 10 and over club Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Posts: 5,525	melev, I didn't get any pictures this time. I didn't see living ones on the corals like last time. But I think I did see some get blown off the corals during the blasting, but these could have been FW's already blowing around in the water. I will check out that thread. tangdiver, I don't think they are growing that fast in a week. I just can't imagine it could be possible for them to hatch out of a teeny tiny egg and grow to 3/8" in a week. They have to be ones that survived the first treatment. This time around, I stored the FW's in regular tank water in hopes that they would survive. Feel free to give me a call tonight if you're still up and not busy. __________________ TOTM August 08 An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Current Tank Info: 280 sps w/ 75 LPS, 75 refugium, 120 sump

04/17/2006, 11:33 PM	#493
Travis 10 and over club Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Posts: 5,525	Alright, you guys aren't going to believe this... Anybody remember this: and this: and this: Those are the pics I used for the UPS claim that was filed. That is the skimmer that was sent to UPS claims. Well lookie what I strolled across today: (it is the last post on this page, I didn't want to directly post the pic here as it is not my property) http://www.manhattanreefs.com/forum/...thread-38.html Anyone notice any similarities?

04/17/2006, 11:40 PM	#494
asnatlas Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waukee, IA Posts: 4,198	HAHA, I saw that and for a sec thought about you and I was like na... I was thinking to myself how would someone get his hands on a BK with out a RD... Now I know __________________ Shawn

04/18/2006, 01:20 AM	#495
Heinz Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,534	thats actually funny but what ever happen to the RD that was broken ? didn't ups auction it too ?

04/18/2006, 06:59 AM	#496
tangdiver Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sioux Falls South Dakota Posts: 1,231	Wonder what it brought? Not new price but still some$$ Grant __________________ Its unwise to pay to much or to little When U pay to much U lose a little $ When U pay to little U sometimes lose it all because the thing U bought was incapable of doing the thing U bought it to do Current Tank Info: 6' long, 3' wide, 2' high, My tank is not worthy of Tank of the Month

04/18/2006, 01:52 PM	#497
Lunchbucket Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Brookings, SD Posts: 12,924	CRAZY! have you contacted the guy? so UPS just auctions all the broke stuff off? or did this guy just snag it from someone at UPS?? Lunchbucket __________________ Trying to lose weight by walking is like trying to bake a cake w/ a cigarette lighter - Lunchbucket - "Nancy-Boy Extraordinaire" - maxxII- Current Tank Info: 58gal Oceanic RR, 2x400w MH (20k XM and 10k XM), Deltec PF601 Ca Rx, Deltec AP701 skimmer, mag950 return, iwaki 55rlt w/ an Oceansmotions 4-way unit, Tunze 7300 and 6000 each w/ controller, fluidized po4 rx

04/18/2006, 03:03 PM	#498
Travis 10 and over club Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Posts: 5,525	I have been in contact with the guy. He did get it by 100% legit means. Just funny that I saw it again. I knew it was the same one as soon as I looked at that pic. This world is so large and yet so small at the same time. __________________ TOTM August 08 An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Current Tank Info: 280 sps w/ 75 LPS, 75 refugium, 120 sump

04/19/2006, 12:04 AM	#499
Travis 10 and over club Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Posts: 5,525	I decided to test some frags in the Reef Dip solution tonight. For those that don't remember, this solution is 1 capful of Reef Dip per cup of tank water. I had 9 capfuls of reef dip left in my bottle so that allowed me to make up a 9 cup solution, which was a little over 1/2 gallon of water. I did the dip in a 1 gallon ice cream pail. I did 3 rounds with the same dip solution. Each round, I stuffed as many frags as I could fit in the pail and set the timer for 15 minutes. I then filled another pail with water from the quarantine tank. After the 15 minutes, I took each coral and blasted it with a MJ 400 (very gentle flow) in the second pale before returning the frags to the quarantine tank. I should have only treated a few "test" frags but I got ambitious (see stupid) and did 3 batches for a total of about 25 frags. I got done about an hour ago. I just went down to check on the corals I treated and they do not look good at all. Tissue is completely peeling off about 5 of them already. And this is only 1 hour after the treatment. Most of these corals were perfectly healthy and had no problems with the levamisole treatments. It looks like I'm gonna have to look for yet another alternative. I think it is time to see if I can score some TMPCC. __________________ TOTM August 08 An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Current Tank Info: 280 sps w/ 75 LPS, 75 refugium, 120 sump

04/19/2006, 12:17 AM	#500
clkwrk Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Mesa ,Az Posts: 10,257	Sorry to hear of the continued trouble. I have not tried the levamisole treatments so I have nothing to add on that note. But I have been using the TMPCC since it was avail in the US I have had good success so far with only seeing damage every once in a while . My main thing is I treated all my corals and I continue to blow off my corals in front of the streams . My wrasses have eagle vision and eat any that fly off. I believe this has woorked the best . So far I have lost a few frags to them but not any whole coral. Good luck __________________ ------- Feel free to use my photos for ONLY informative sites, education or enjoyment.All I ask is to include my Reef Central User id and where you got the photo ( RC).