Melev's new 280g Starfire tank thread - Page 25

Dudester · 06/14/2006, 10:18 PM

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Originally posted by melev
I'm going to go ahead and start gluing them to rocks so they can grow out.

If there's a line, I'd like to get in it. If there's not a line, I'd like to start one

jnarowe · 06/14/2006, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dudester
If there's a line, I'd like to get in it. If there's not a line, I'd like to start one

I am right behind ya!

melev · 06/14/2006, 10:41 PM

Let's not start any lines yet, y'all. I'd like to get them growing first.

Focus on the pretty pictures instead for now.

wrassie86 · 06/14/2006, 10:48 PM

melev
Any idea what the ID is on the smaller snails with whiteish shells.I've had those snails in my tanks for years now and they reproduce like rabbits.Infact i just watched several egg sacks hatch a few weeks ago, and all the new little guys making there way.So needless to say i dont really buy snails any longer and have not for a few years.Just a few astreas here and there but the hermits get them.Thing i have noticed tho is the population never gets to far out of control.either something in the tank eats them or there not very long lived.

melev · 06/14/2006, 10:56 PM

I was told they are Columbellid sp. snails. They look like baby Trochus to me.

The larger ones are described as Turbo sp, but are quite similar to Nerites to me.

Not that I know enough to state that as a fact. Nerites are prettier than these. I should have a picture of a Nerite, let me check.

Yeah, here's one.

wrassie86 · 06/14/2006, 11:05 PM

Nope, 2nd pic down under the thurmos snails are still in the bag. white with brown flecks on the shells.

wrassie86 · 06/14/2006, 11:12 PM

Ohh, you saying they are Columbellid sp? if so if they take to your tank be prepared to have alot of them in the next year or so

BrianPlankis · 06/15/2006, 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by melev
I was told they are Columbellid sp. snails. They look like baby Trochus to me.

The larger ones are described as Turbo sp, but are quite similar to Nerites to me.

Not that I know enough to state that as a fact. Nerites are prettier than these. I should have a picture of a Nerite, let me check.

Yeah, here's one.

The snails that were in bag #2 are most likely Columbellid sp. snails. They were originally purchased from IPSF.com and they call them Strombus grazers. These snails are in a very poorly studied family, so both those genus names could be wrong

All I know is that they do reproduce like rabbits.

The larger snails are a Turbo sp. snail, I'm actually waiting to hear back from the snail expert at the Houston Museum of Natural Sciences to see if I can see their snail collection and narrow down the ID. Definitely a Turbo sp, but beyond that I don't know. Nerites are prettier, but aren't easy to reproduce like this particular Turbo sp.

This Turbo sp. snail is highly variable in color, some are almost white, but others are quite pretty:

wrassie86 Yes they are not very long lived, the common average I've seen is between 6 months to 12 months max. I've had my adults for about 7 months now and a couple have died recently. A short lifespan is somewhat common for animals that breed like crazy. I also think some of them just starve because they produce way more babies than the food supply of an aquarium can provide.

melev AWESOME pictures, thanks so much for taking them for me

Do you mind if I use some of them in my RHO article about this experiment? You'll get photo credit of course.

Nice looking Pink A. millepora

My neon green A. millepora is the only SPS in my tank that is just doing fabulous.

I now hand back this stolen thread back to Marc.

Brian

melev · 06/15/2006, 01:19 AM

Of course you can use the pictures. Thanks for the photo credit. I guess you could just make it courtesy of melevsreef.com if you think it appropriate. Or my real name if that causes waves.

And Strombus is what I meant, not Trochus. Sorry about that.

asmujica · 06/15/2006, 01:27 AM

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Originally posted by melev

What did that poor crab do to you?

Don't you think its a bit harsh to test your fragging tools on the poor little bugger?

wrassie86 · 06/15/2006, 07:54 AM

Thanks for the info and sharing your findings also.Seem to be the same as mine.

melev · 06/17/2006, 12:54 PM

The Mean Green babies look good on their new rocks. I'll post pictures later, as one of our LFS is having DFWMAS Day. (Saltwater Paradise, if you are in the area.)

If you've been listening to a certain podcast, the contest has begun and submissions are coming in. The deadline is June 20th (until midnight), so get your guesses in now. You can win a free auto top off kit, which is linked in the show notes.

Tbduval · 06/17/2006, 04:16 PM

Melev.....Can I say awesome thread!!!!! I have a quick question. You original setup you lighting system on your tank with the lights running parallel Why did you switch them? What benefits did you see? Thanks angain for all your help. You are a mastermind!!!!

Tbduval · 06/17/2006, 08:15 PM

Sorry Melev...my typing leaves something to be desired.....hope you understand my question. If not, I will try again.

melev · 06/17/2006, 09:23 PM

Hi Tbduval,

To Reef Central

I had them parallel, but the swath of light was moving across the reef like a solid beam. This might be handy for some picture taking, but it didn't look good and light was being wasted as it shined out the front and back walls of the tank.

Turning the lights perpendicular spread the light nicely over the tank, and it looked so much better. Plus where the light intersects between two bulbs, intensity is even greater at that point. Perpendicular is best, unless your tank is so narrow that you can't turn the bulb in that orientation. 12" wide tanks would probably not have this option.

melev · 06/17/2006, 09:42 PM

Here are the pictures I promised earlier today.

Mean Green broodstock

Zoo tray from the end.

Some Devils Hand Frags

Some SPS

And if you recall the picture of the dead Yellow Scroll coral, here in this picture less than a week later, some polyps are showing growth.

From the LFS, I picked up some Ricordia. This rock was full of them.

jnarowe · 06/17/2006, 10:31 PM

You have your own store going Marc!

melev · 06/17/2006, 10:42 PM

.... and no Tucker's allowed!

Lunchbucket · 06/18/2006, 10:54 AM

melev - dang you have enough stuff down there!! BTW have always loved the mean greens...very cool zoo's

Lunchbucket

Tbduval · 06/18/2006, 01:10 PM

Melev..You have more frags in there then my LFS. Mean Greens look very nice, btw.

RRodrigues · 06/18/2006, 01:15 PM

Nice frag tank, what did you use to glue the zoanthids and Devil's hand?

BlueCorn · 06/18/2006, 09:48 PM

Test

melev · 06/18/2006, 09:57 PM

Thanks Beerguy. You seem to be the only one with the powerful keyboard tonight.

My earlier post that wouldn't take:

The zoanthids were glued down with Super Glue Gel. It was pictured in the fragging kit one page ago. The Devil's Hand isn't mounted. It just grabs onto anything nearby.

tcb7019 · 06/18/2006, 10:01 PM

Nice frags Marc. Thanks for the pics!

Tom

Hop · 06/18/2006, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by melev
Thanks Beerguy. You seem to be the only one with the powerful keyboard tonight.

My earlier post that wouldn't take:

Maybe, But I got 21 e-mail notifications about a post that wasn't there

Nice frags melev!
On the devil's hand, are you picking up the pieces that frag themselves? or are you slicing frags off?

06/14/2006, 10:48 PM	#604
wrassie86 Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Thonotosassa,FL Posts: 1,836	melev Any idea what the ID is on the smaller snails with whiteish shells.I've had those snails in my tanks for years now and they reproduce like rabbits.Infact i just watched several egg sacks hatch a few weeks ago, and all the new little guys making there way.So needless to say i dont really buy snails any longer and have not for a few years.Just a few astreas here and there but the hermits get them.Thing i have noticed tho is the population never gets to far out of control.either something in the tank eats them or there not very long lived. __________________ Rob Current Tank Info: None, On a baby and moving break.

06/14/2006, 11:05 PM	#606
wrassie86 Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Thonotosassa,FL Posts: 1,836	Nope, 2nd pic down under the thurmos snails are still in the bag. white with brown flecks on the shells. __________________ Rob Current Tank Info: None, On a baby and moving break.

06/14/2006, 11:12 PM	#607
wrassie86 Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Thonotosassa,FL Posts: 1,836	Ohh, you saying they are Columbellid sp? if so if they take to your tank be prepared to have alot of them in the next year or so __________________ Rob Current Tank Info: None, On a baby and moving break.

06/15/2006, 07:54 AM	#611
wrassie86 Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Thonotosassa,FL Posts: 1,836	Thanks for the info and sharing your findings also.Seem to be the same as mine. __________________ Rob Current Tank Info: None, On a baby and moving break.

06/17/2006, 09:23 PM	#615
melev Moved On Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ft Worth, Tx Posts: 43,217	Hi Tbduval, *To Reef Central* I had them parallel, but the swath of light was moving across the reef like a solid beam. This might be handy for some picture taking, but it didn't look good and light was being wasted as it shined out the front and back walls of the tank. Turning the lights perpendicular spread the light nicely over the tank, and it looked so much better. Plus where the light intersects between two bulbs, intensity is even greater at that point. Perpendicular is best, unless your tank is so narrow that you can't turn the bulb in that orientation. 12" wide tanks would probably not have this option. Last edited by melev; 06/17/2006 at 09:42 PM.

06/14/2006, 10:41 PM	#603
melev Moved On Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ft Worth, Tx Posts: 43,217	Let's not start any lines yet, y'all. I'd like to get them growing first. Focus on the pretty pictures instead for now.

06/14/2006, 10:56 PM	#605
melev Moved On Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ft Worth, Tx Posts: 43,217	I was told they are Columbellid sp. snails. They look like baby Trochus to me. The larger ones are described as Turbo sp, but are quite similar to Nerites to me. Not that I know enough to state that as a fact. Nerites are prettier than these. I should have a picture of a Nerite, let me check. Yeah, here's one.

06/15/2006, 01:19 AM	#609
melev Moved On Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ft Worth, Tx Posts: 43,217	Of course you can use the pictures. Thanks for the photo credit. I guess you could just make it courtesy of melevsreef.com if you think it appropriate. Or my real name if that causes waves. And Strombus is what I meant, not Trochus. Sorry about that.

06/17/2006, 12:54 PM	#612
melev Moved On Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ft Worth, Tx Posts: 43,217	The Mean Green babies look good on their new rocks. I'll post pictures later, as one of our LFS is having DFWMAS Day. (Saltwater Paradise, if you are in the area.) If you've been listening to a certain podcast, the contest has begun and submissions are coming in. The deadline is June 20th (until midnight), so get your guesses in now. You can win a free auto top off kit, which is linked in the show notes.

06/17/2006, 04:16 PM	#613
Tbduval Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Orlando, Fl Posts: 369	Melev.....Can I say awesome thread!!!!! I have a quick question. You original setup you lighting system on your tank with the lights running parallel Why did you switch them? What benefits did you see? Thanks angain for all your help. You are a mastermind!!!!

06/17/2006, 08:15 PM	#614
Tbduval Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Orlando, Fl Posts: 369	Sorry Melev...my typing leaves something to be desired.....hope you understand my question. If not, I will try again.

06/17/2006, 09:42 PM	#616
melev Moved On Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ft Worth, Tx Posts: 43,217	Here are the pictures I promised earlier today. Mean Green broodstock Zoo tray from the end. Some Devils Hand Frags Some SPS And if you recall the picture of the dead Yellow Scroll coral, here in this picture less than a week later, some polyps are showing growth. From the LFS, I picked up some Ricordia. This rock was full of them.

06/17/2006, 10:31 PM	#617
jnarowe Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Poulsbo, WA Posts: 14,710	You have your own store going Marc! __________________ Jonathan--Recovering Tankaholic. Current Tank Info: 70g fresh planted

06/17/2006, 10:42 PM	#618
melev Moved On Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ft Worth, Tx Posts: 43,217	.... and no Tucker's allowed!

06/18/2006, 10:54 AM	#619
Lunchbucket Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Brookings, SD Posts: 12,924	melev - dang you have enough stuff down there!! BTW have always loved the mean greens...very cool zoo's Lunchbucket __________________ Trying to lose weight by walking is like trying to bake a cake w/ a cigarette lighter - Lunchbucket - "Nancy-Boy Extraordinaire" - maxxII- Current Tank Info: 58gal Oceanic RR, 2x400w MH (20k XM and 10k XM), Deltec PF601 Ca Rx, Deltec AP701 skimmer, mag950 return, iwaki 55rlt w/ an Oceansmotions 4-way unit, Tunze 7300 and 6000 each w/ controller, fluidized po4 rx

06/18/2006, 01:10 PM	#620
Tbduval Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Orlando, Fl Posts: 369	Melev..You have more frags in there then my LFS. Mean Greens look very nice, btw.

06/18/2006, 01:15 PM	#621
RRodrigues Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Cascais - Portugal Posts: 260	Nice frag tank, what did you use to glue the zoanthids and Devil's hand? __________________ "The natural world is, and probably always will be, complicated far beyond human understanding." J.E.N. Veron

06/18/2006, 09:48 PM	#622
BlueCorn Retired Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,908	Test __________________ Doug [I]Dodging and burning are steps to take care of mistakes God made when establishing tonal relationships. ~ Ansel Adams[/I]

06/18/2006, 09:57 PM	#623
melev Moved On Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ft Worth, Tx Posts: 43,217	Thanks Beerguy. You seem to be the only one with the powerful keyboard tonight. My earlier post that wouldn't take: The zoanthids were glued down with Super Glue Gel. It was pictured in the fragging kit one page ago. The Devil's Hand isn't mounted. It just grabs onto anything nearby.

06/18/2006, 10:01 PM	#624
tcb7019 Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 63	Nice frags Marc. Thanks for the pics! Tom