Closed loop random flow question

MarineGirl411 · 08/14/2006, 06:13 PM

Hi,
I need some help. As I understand it I need random flow as well as constant flow through the tank. I have a 40 gallon breeder. I have a Quiet One 3,000 for the return. I have a Quiet One 5,000 for my closed loop. What should I use to produce the randon flow? An OM Squirt? Or a SCWD? I hear people are having problems with the SCWD. Is it because they are not cleaned regulary or because they are poorly made? I've also seen people just use constant flow through their tank via loc-line placed through out the tank. What would you all suggest? Just need some help. I will be drilling my tank and adding loc line's with 3in flare nozzles. I was going to include 2 in the front of the tank and 2 in the back. Inhabitants I want to keep are
clams, orange caps, purple caps, frogspawn, hammer corals, zoos, blastos, favia, white pom pom pumping xenia, plate coral, and some others as well. I'd appreciate any help. Thank you. =)

drinkhomebrew · 08/15/2006, 04:48 PM

bump.

Robert Patterso · 08/15/2006, 08:55 PM

The scwd are poorly IMPO. I tried 2 and returned both due to leaks in the seams above the hose line. I myself am looking for an alternative.
Robert

Abengochea · 08/16/2006, 12:15 AM

go for the oceans motions, the scwd get jammed at times

MarineGirl411 · 08/16/2006, 01:03 AM

should I go with the ocean motions squirt?

MarineGirl411 · 08/16/2006, 01:04 AM

oh another quick question what does it mean on here when you guys say Bump?

mg426 · 08/16/2006, 01:26 AM

I think the oceans motions device is a better piece of gear. Its a good bit more $$$ than a SCWD. I have and still use SCWDs and they have never been a problem..

jdieck · 08/16/2006, 01:27 AM

^ Bump

Just posting again so your thread goes to the top of the list again.

MarineGirl411 · 08/16/2006, 01:53 AM

oye, what does bump mean guys? Yah that's another 150+ =/ VS 35.00. =(

jdieck · 08/16/2006, 03:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jdieck
^ Bump

Just posting again so your thread goes to the top of the list again.

pufferman90 · 08/16/2006, 03:16 AM

When nobody replies to your thread for a period of time, it goes more towards the bottom of the list. So you post bump so the thread goes to the top and therefore gets more attention and thus replies.

Robert Patterso · 08/16/2006, 08:07 AM

Who carries oceans motions?

sdesi2005 · 08/16/2006, 08:07 AM

Just drill the back of your tank. I had a similar question while setting up my 65Gal. With such a small tank, the added money would be better spent elsewhere. Drill 4-5 holes in the back of your tank and just keep a constant flow through them. Later you can always play around with adding a timer or a second pump, perhaps add a sea swirl to your return. that will give you random flow.

Robert Patterso · 08/16/2006, 08:33 AM

My tank is drill in four places. I don't have a closed loop at the moment, waiting for new pump so I can install it. What i would like to do is when I install is to be able to alternate the flow between the two inlets to the tank on the closed loop. Can the oceans motions achieve that?

silverwolf72 · 08/16/2006, 12:59 PM

oceansmotions.com

Robert Patterso · 08/16/2006, 01:11 PM

thanks I'll take a look.

MarineGirl411 · 08/21/2006, 02:17 AM

Thank you for the replies. Now I understand the bump. =) Thank you. Thant is very thoughtful. I went to a local club reef meeting and they suggested using the seaswirl for random as well as locline for steady flow. What do you guys think? They made it seem like I am going to have way too much flow through my tank. What do you think? Closed loop will be a Quiet One 5000 and a Quiet One 3000 for the return from the sump. Does that sound like too much flow for a mixed reef? Let me know guys. I trust you. Thank you so much.

55Reef · 08/21/2006, 08:29 PM

I agree, oceansmotions.

What size Loc-line are you going to use?

I'm planning a CL for my tank. I also plan on drilling 2 in the Back and 2 in the Top/Front. Using a Panworld 50px-x, 1" PVC, 3/4" Loc-line.

MarineGirl411 · 08/22/2006, 12:43 AM

So you don't suggest a Seaswirl? Everyone at the club suggested a Seaswirl instead of an Oceans Motions because Oceans Motions just shut off flow every couple of seconding without actually producing much of a wave. That is what they suggested to me. I am using 3/4in loc line. I am planning on drilling 2 in the back, 1 in the middle, then the overflow. I bought my glass drill bits off ebay. I've heard good reviews on the guy that sells them so I went with them. What size tank are you going with?

MasiisaM22 · 08/22/2006, 10:54 AM

I had 2) Â¾ inch sea swirls for just my return and it worked ok. They are expensive and donâ€™t last very long IME. Maybe a year and a half and they seem the crap out. Lots of little gears and parts inside that black box. So for my 150 I wanted to steer any from them so I went with a 4 way OM closed loop and so far so good. My flow is done with the CL and not thought the sump. I really like that type set up.

mdt178 · 08/22/2006, 11:38 AM

I've used SeaSwirl without any problem, but I usually give all reef equipment a vinegar bath at least once year.
An alternative to a sea swirl is a WavySea. Although I think you'll be fine with just OM.
2000gph is a lot of flow for your tank and corals you listed.

MarineGirl411 · 08/22/2006, 11:54 AM

So I've got too much flow going? Well, crap on a stick. I went off of Calvins thread. He has a 40 gallon reef tank on reef central and I used the exact same pumps he used. So I am stuck I guess. Maybe I'll just try the SCWD then. Less money to spend as I've already spent too much. Thank you all for your help.

mdt178 · 08/22/2006, 03:11 PM

I don't know who Calvin is, but perhaps he's growing acro and other SPS while your list didn't have any high flow corals. Or he may have multiple outputs, resulting in a reduced total.
If you're going with a SCWD, then you won't have the advertised 1300gph. There's no way 1000+ gph is going through those tiny openings, yes I know they claim it can support a 1400gph pump, but it doesn't mean that you get all of the flow.

MarineGirl411 · 08/23/2006, 12:50 AM

Aren't OM Squirts basically the same thing as the SCWD? What is the difference except cost wise? I'd appreciate it. Thank you.

MarineGirl411 · 08/25/2006, 01:22 AM

You guys there? What is the difference? How much different flow restrictions are there?

08/14/2006, 06:13 PM	#1
MarineGirl411 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,583	Closed loop random flow question Hi, I need some help. As I understand it I need random flow as well as constant flow through the tank. I have a 40 gallon breeder. I have a Quiet One 3,000 for the return. I have a Quiet One 5,000 for my closed loop. What should I use to produce the randon flow? An OM Squirt? Or a SCWD? I hear people are having problems with the SCWD. Is it because they are not cleaned regulary or because they are poorly made? I've also seen people just use constant flow through their tank via loc-line placed through out the tank. What would you all suggest? Just need some help. I will be drilling my tank and adding loc line's with 3in flare nozzles. I was going to include 2 in the front of the tank and 2 in the back. Inhabitants I want to keep are clams, orange caps, purple caps, frogspawn, hammer corals, zoos, blastos, favia, white pom pom pumping xenia, plate coral, and some others as well. I'd appreciate any help. Thank you. =)

08/15/2006, 08:55 PM	#3
Robert Patterso Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denton, Tx Posts: 711	The scwd are poorly IMPO. I tried 2 and returned both due to leaks in the seams above the hose line. I myself am looking for an alternative. Robert __________________ Way to many projects, not enough money and even less time Current Tank Info: 140 ssb, 75g sump ect. xp2000 cone skimmer, 400w XM 20k's in sm. Lumenbrites, ATS over refugium

08/16/2006, 12:15 AM	#4
Abengochea Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 670	go for the oceans motions, the scwd get jammed at times __________________ Armando Current Tank Info: 29 Biocube

08/16/2006, 01:03 AM	#5
MarineGirl411 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,583	should I go with the ocean motions squirt? __________________ I am a reefaholic and there is no cure. =) Current Tank Info: 90 gallon reef, Cardiff Nano Seahorse tank.

08/16/2006, 01:04 AM	#6
MarineGirl411 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,583	oh another quick question what does it mean on here when you guys say Bump? __________________ I am a reefaholic and there is no cure. =) Current Tank Info: 90 gallon reef, Cardiff Nano Seahorse tank.

08/15/2006, 04:48 PM	#2
drinkhomebrew Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 231	bump.

08/16/2006, 01:26 AM	#7
mg426 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: maryland Posts: 6,923	I think the oceans motions device is a better piece of gear. Its a good bit more $$$ than a SCWD. I have and still use SCWDs and they have never been a problem.. __________________ I found a way to make a small fortune running a reef tank. Start with a large fortune. Unofficial President of the SEACLONE haters club Current Tank Info: 125 mixed reef 110 lbs LR, 1x250watt XM 20K MH 2x175watt XM 20K MH on Magetics 2X96 watt actinic PC, 220 watt VHO actinic, 30 gallon refugium, closed loop system powered by Sequence Dart MSX 200 skimmer 38 gallon sump, Oceansmotions squirt

08/16/2006, 01:27 AM	#8
jdieck Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maumee, OH Posts: 15,673	^ Bump Just posting again so your thread goes to the top of the list again. __________________ Did I write what I wrote? What the heck am I talking about! Well..... Nevermind. Current Tank Info: 225 gal reef, DSB, 40 g sump w/ LRT100 return, 37 g pre-sump, 3 MH 250 W 15K, 4 96 W PC dual actinic,ETS 1500 Skim.w/LRT70, 20 lb Ca R., 40 W UV, 1/3 HP chiller, two 350 W Htrs, Neptune II Cont., 330 P LR/ 330 P LS. 55 gal Refugium

08/16/2006, 01:53 AM	#9
MarineGirl411 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,583	oye, what does bump mean guys? Yah that's another 150+ =/ VS 35.00. =( __________________ I am a reefaholic and there is no cure. =) Current Tank Info: 90 gallon reef, Cardiff Nano Seahorse tank.

08/16/2006, 03:16 AM	#11
pufferman90 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: San Jose Posts: 139	When nobody replies to your thread for a period of time, it goes more towards the bottom of the list. So you post bump so the thread goes to the top and therefore gets more attention and thus replies.

08/16/2006, 08:07 AM	#12
Robert Patterso Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denton, Tx Posts: 711	Who carries oceans motions? __________________ Way to many projects, not enough money and even less time Current Tank Info: 140 ssb, 75g sump ect. xp2000 cone skimmer, 400w XM 20k's in sm. Lumenbrites, ATS over refugium

08/16/2006, 08:07 AM	#13
sdesi2005 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 114	Just drill the back of your tank. I had a similar question while setting up my 65Gal. With such a small tank, the added money would be better spent elsewhere. Drill 4-5 holes in the back of your tank and just keep a constant flow through them. Later you can always play around with adding a timer or a second pump, perhaps add a sea swirl to your return. that will give you random flow.

08/16/2006, 08:33 AM	#14
Robert Patterso Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denton, Tx Posts: 711	My tank is drill in four places. I don't have a closed loop at the moment, waiting for new pump so I can install it. What i would like to do is when I install is to be able to alternate the flow between the two inlets to the tank on the closed loop. Can the oceans motions achieve that? __________________ Way to many projects, not enough money and even less time Current Tank Info: 140 ssb, 75g sump ect. xp2000 cone skimmer, 400w XM 20k's in sm. Lumenbrites, ATS over refugium

08/16/2006, 12:59 PM	#15
silverwolf72 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Lake Forrest CA Posts: 1,732	oceansmotions.com

08/16/2006, 01:11 PM	#16
Robert Patterso Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denton, Tx Posts: 711	thanks I'll take a look. __________________ Way to many projects, not enough money and even less time Current Tank Info: 140 ssb, 75g sump ect. xp2000 cone skimmer, 400w XM 20k's in sm. Lumenbrites, ATS over refugium

08/21/2006, 02:17 AM	#17
MarineGirl411 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,583	Thank you for the replies. Now I understand the bump. =) Thank you. Thant is very thoughtful. I went to a local club reef meeting and they suggested using the seaswirl for random as well as locline for steady flow. What do you guys think? They made it seem like I am going to have way too much flow through my tank. What do you think? Closed loop will be a Quiet One 5000 and a Quiet One 3000 for the return from the sump. Does that sound like too much flow for a mixed reef? Let me know guys. I trust you. Thank you so much. __________________ I am a reefaholic and there is no cure. =) Current Tank Info: 90 gallon reef, Cardiff Nano Seahorse tank.

08/21/2006, 08:29 PM	#18
55Reef Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 779	I agree, oceansmotions. What size Loc-line are you going to use? I'm planning a CL for my tank. I also plan on drilling 2 in the Back and 2 in the Top/Front. Using a Panworld 50px-x, 1" PVC, 3/4" Loc-line.

08/22/2006, 12:43 AM	#19
MarineGirl411 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,583	So you don't suggest a Seaswirl? Everyone at the club suggested a Seaswirl instead of an Oceans Motions because Oceans Motions just shut off flow every couple of seconding without actually producing much of a wave. That is what they suggested to me. I am using 3/4in loc line. I am planning on drilling 2 in the back, 1 in the middle, then the overflow. I bought my glass drill bits off ebay. I've heard good reviews on the guy that sells them so I went with them. What size tank are you going with? __________________ I am a reefaholic and there is no cure. =) Current Tank Info: 90 gallon reef, Cardiff Nano Seahorse tank.

08/22/2006, 10:54 AM	#20
MasiisaM22 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Thousand Oaks CA Posts: 223	I had 2) Â¾ inch sea swirls for just my return and it worked ok. They are expensive and donâ€™t last very long IME. Maybe a year and a half and they seem the crap out. Lots of little gears and parts inside that black box. So for my 150 I wanted to steer any from them so I went with a 4 way OM closed loop and so far so good. My flow is done with the CL and not thought the sump. I really like that type set up. __________________ <--------------- 5 pounds of terror Current Tank Info: 150

08/22/2006, 11:38 AM	#21
mdt178 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 655	I've used SeaSwirl without any problem, but I usually give all reef equipment a vinegar bath at least once year. An alternative to a sea swirl is a WavySea. Although I think you'll be fine with just OM. 2000gph is a lot of flow for your tank and corals you listed.

08/22/2006, 11:54 AM	#22
MarineGirl411 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,583	So I've got too much flow going? Well, crap on a stick. I went off of Calvins thread. He has a 40 gallon reef tank on reef central and I used the exact same pumps he used. So I am stuck I guess. Maybe I'll just try the SCWD then. Less money to spend as I've already spent too much. Thank you all for your help. __________________ I am a reefaholic and there is no cure. =) Current Tank Info: 90 gallon reef, Cardiff Nano Seahorse tank.

08/22/2006, 03:11 PM	#23
mdt178 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 655	I don't know who Calvin is, but perhaps he's growing acro and other SPS while your list didn't have any high flow corals. Or he may have multiple outputs, resulting in a reduced total. If you're going with a SCWD, then you won't have the advertised 1300gph. There's no way 1000+ gph is going through those tiny openings, yes I know they claim it can support a 1400gph pump, but it doesn't mean that you get all of the flow.

08/23/2006, 12:50 AM	#24
MarineGirl411 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,583	Aren't OM Squirts basically the same thing as the SCWD? What is the difference except cost wise? I'd appreciate it. Thank you. __________________ I am a reefaholic and there is no cure. =) Current Tank Info: 90 gallon reef, Cardiff Nano Seahorse tank.

08/25/2006, 01:22 AM	#25
MarineGirl411 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,583	You guys there? What is the difference? How much different flow restrictions are there? __________________ I am a reefaholic and there is no cure. =) Current Tank Info: 90 gallon reef, Cardiff Nano Seahorse tank.