Melev's new 280g Starfire tank thread - Page 10

Kigs · 09/11/2006, 09:59 PM

i always understocked b/c i was afraid of them dying from lack of food when in big numbers. how many do you recommend i should put in a 24g aquapod? i think i got about 2 astreas, 3 turbos and 2 nassarius max right now

NuclearReefs · 09/11/2006, 10:06 PM

no more than one per 2 gallons with those smaller snails or they will starve..IMO

melev · 09/11/2006, 10:06 PM

The "rule" is 1 per gallon. As far as I'm concerned, that can include the nassarius in the sandbed too. Now buying 24 snails for your tiny tank will seem expensive and overkill, but having 10 might be plenty.

It really comes down to how much algae is in the tank and how quickly your glass gets covered with a film.

You mentioned 2 Astrea and 3 Turbos. Are you talking about 3 huge Mexican Turbos? If so, you could get 3 Ceriths and a fighting conch, and you'd be set.

Kigs · 09/11/2006, 10:26 PM

geez thanx for calling my tank tiny marc. everything is small compared to your 280g. i mean COME ON

they are all relatively small at the moment so i guess i'll add 5 or 6 more. my old fighting conch seemed to knock against everything so i threw it in my 29g fowlr.

Cprowler · 09/11/2006, 11:08 PM

Hey Marc, where are you at with the Prodibio? Are you still using it and have you noticed any positives or negatives? I'm about to start using ReefResh again, I think any positives I've seen are minimal. I have half the supply left so I'll see.

I apologize if you just mentioned anything about Prodibio recently, I think it's been a while.

Snakebyt · 09/11/2006, 11:21 PM

i need to get more snails and crabs, but they always seem to knock stuff over...
Where was that one place that your club ordered from and had a good experience?

melev · 09/11/2006, 11:34 PM

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Originally posted by kigs
geez thanx for calling my tank tiny marc. everything is small compared to your 280g. i mean COME ON

they are all relatively small at the moment so i guess i'll add 5 or 6 more. my old fighting conch seemed to knock against everything so i threw it in my 29g fowlr.

Sorry about that. I didn't mean it that way. I think I'm getting 280 gallon-itis over here.

I too had a 29g tiny tank for 7 years....

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Originally posted by Cprowler
Hey Marc, where are you at with the Prodibio? Are you still using it and have you noticed any positives or negatives? I'm about to start using ReefResh again, I think any positives I've seen are minimal. I have half the supply left so I'll see.

I apologize if you just mentioned anything about Prodibio recently, I think it's been a while.

I stopped dosing about 6 or 8 weeks ago. I just stopped because I had other things cropping up, and I don't like to cloud the issues when trying to solve problems. Considering the water quality that has been looking very good for some time now, I'm leaning toward using it again. I'd like to get the AEFW thing behind me though.

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Originally posted by Snakebyt
i need to get more snails and crabs, but they always seem to knock stuff over...
Where was that one place that your club ordered from and had a good experience?

Keyscritters.com

BrianPlankis · 09/12/2006, 08:28 AM

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Originally posted by kigs
they are all relatively small at the moment so i guess i'll add 5 or 6 more. my old fighting conch seemed to knock against everything so i threw it in my 29g fowlr.

I was told by Dr Shimek that a 75 gallon with an pretty open sandbed (at least 50%) was the minimum sandbed size to keep one fighting conch alive longer than two years(minimum success by him, as they can live up to 10 years or more).

I had two, so traded one and since then I've discovered that it will also eat sinking algae wafers to supplement its diet.

Brian

melev · 09/12/2006, 09:41 PM

Wanna see a 2200g shark tank? I did, and took pictures!

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...66#post8133866

Snakebyt · 09/12/2006, 09:41 PM

also needing somthing to keep my sand looking better, has snail shells and asst debris on it.. any suggestions on what to use?

Snakebyt · 09/12/2006, 09:44 PM

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Originally posted by melev
Wanna see a 2200g shark tank? I did, and took pictures!

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...66#post8133866

that is jawdropping...

melev · 09/12/2006, 09:49 PM

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Originally posted by Snakebyt
also needing somthing to keep my sand looking better, has snail shells and asst debris on it.. any suggestions on what to use?

Snails, cucumber, conch, hermits... they all work together. You should probably remove empty shells manually if you want the sand sparkling clean.

jnarowe · 09/12/2006, 11:11 PM

I have been just leaving the shells. They move around occassionally. I just had an electric blue hermit trade up from his shell to a large Turbo sp. shell that had been on the bottom for a couple weeks. He looks a bit strange in the giant shell but he is struttin' his stuff! I figure if I leave enough empty shells in the tank that may discourage the hermits from killing snails for their shells.

NuclearReefs · 09/12/2006, 11:11 PM

sand sifting gobies... a pair should do good...

RocketSeason · 09/13/2006, 07:41 AM

I comb the top layer of my sand a couple times a week with a rake-like device.

But I am really low on snails and crabs right now.

Stile2 · 09/13/2006, 10:42 AM

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Originally posted by RocketSeason
I comb the top layer of my sand a couple times a week with a rake-like device.

Like a underwater Zen Garden. That's cool

Kurt03 · 09/15/2006, 10:18 AM

Hey melev or anyone else growing phyto, how much dt's phyto would you use to start a new culture in a 2 liter bottle?

melev · 09/15/2006, 11:53 AM

The smallest bottle (8oz) would be good for your first bottle.

Kurt03 · 09/15/2006, 12:00 PM

hmm i put 2 cap fulls in 2 days ago, will this work but it just wont be very dense or it will take longer to get darker? Or will it prob not work at all.

newtophish · 09/15/2006, 12:27 PM

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Originally posted by CirolanidHunter
I was told by Dr Shimek that a 75 gallon with an pretty open sandbed (at least 50%) was the minimum sandbed size to keep one fighting conch alive longer than two years(minimum success by him, as they can live up to 10 years or more).
Brian

I had 2 of them (2") in a 60 cube for about 2 years. I did not spot feed them anything and the were fine when I took the tank down and gave them away.
I must have had a very dirty SB!

melev · 09/15/2006, 12:31 PM

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Originally posted by Kurt03
hmm i put 2 cap fulls in 2 days ago, will this work but it just wont be very dense or it will take longer to get darker? Or will it prob not work at all.

It should work and will take longer to darken up. You can always add more today.

Kurt03 · 09/15/2006, 12:36 PM

Thanks melev, i didnt want to add a whole lot since im almost out of it and dont want to buy another bottle if i dont have to. I this doesnt work i will just buy a new bottle and try that. Thanks for your help

Stile2 · 09/16/2006, 12:01 PM

Marc,

I have gotten red bugs back on my Tri-Color Acro.

I read your Red Bugs - No More! article on your site. When was the treatment of your coral and have you seen a re-infestation?

Last time I treated every coral in the tank for 15 days with multiple treatments and many water changes. And now they are back. So I was thinking of using your method, just wondering if it was successful long term.

thanks
Keith

melev · 09/16/2006, 12:13 PM

I just read that in your thread, Keith.

The coral I treated is red bug free. However, if there are any in the tank, we both know they have the ability to crawl onto the coral again. So far, none found the A. granulosa.

Stile2 · 09/16/2006, 12:38 PM

Cool Thanks,

Your method is so much easy than the whole 15 days in a QT tank thing.

So I'm going to try that this time.

Keith

09/11/2006, 10:06 PM	#227
NuclearReefs Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Fort Lauderdale Florida Posts: 2,606	no more than one per 2 gallons with those smaller snails or they will starve..IMO __________________ Kalkwasser in Coffee Current Tank Info: 125 RR SPS, LED's & T-5 O3's

09/12/2006, 11:11 PM	#238
jnarowe Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Poulsbo, WA Posts: 14,710	I have been just leaving the shells. They move around occassionally. I just had an electric blue hermit trade up from his shell to a large Turbo sp. shell that had been on the bottom for a couple weeks. He looks a bit strange in the giant shell but he is struttin' his stuff! I figure if I leave enough empty shells in the tank that may discourage the hermits from killing snails for their shells. __________________ Jonathan--Recovering Tankaholic. Current Tank Info: 70g fresh planted

09/12/2006, 11:11 PM	#239
NuclearReefs Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Fort Lauderdale Florida Posts: 2,606	sand sifting gobies... a pair should do good... __________________ Kalkwasser in Coffee Current Tank Info: 125 RR SPS, LED's & T-5 O3's

09/13/2006, 07:41 AM	#240
RocketSeason Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Peoria, IL Posts: 601	I comb the top layer of my sand a couple times a week with a rake-like device. But I am really low on snails and crabs right now. __________________ There is no such thing as a "Nemo fish". PBITAWA Current Tank Info: 37 Gallon Oceanic Cube, Various softies, 95 lbs of LR, 6 gallon cryptic fuge. Planning my 75 gallon upgrade.

09/16/2006, 12:01 PM	#248
Stile2 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Yucaipa, California (some little town you've never heard of) Posts: 1,624	Marc, I have gotten red bugs back on my Tri-Color Acro. I read your Red Bugs - No More! article on your site. When was the treatment of your coral and have you seen a re-infestation? Last time I treated every coral in the tank for 15 days with multiple treatments and many water changes. And now they are back. So I was thinking of using your method, just wondering if it was successful long term. thanks Keith __________________ If you have a college degree, you can be sure of one thing. You have a college degree! Superman owns Chuck Norris Pajamas!! Current Tank Info: 77 Gallon Custom peninsula 3 sides viewable, DIY Steel Stand, OM Squirt, 2 x 250 w MH, 2 x 95 w VHO, DIY Skimmer

09/11/2006, 09:59 PM	#226
Kigs Moved On Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: LI, NY Posts: 2,182	i always understocked b/c i was afraid of them dying from lack of food when in big numbers. how many do you recommend i should put in a 24g aquapod? i think i got about 2 astreas, 3 turbos and 2 nassarius max right now

09/11/2006, 10:06 PM	#228
melev Moved On Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ft Worth, Tx Posts: 43,217	The "rule" is 1 per gallon. As far as I'm concerned, that can include the nassarius in the sandbed too. Now buying 24 snails for your tiny tank will seem expensive and overkill, but having 10 might be plenty. It really comes down to how much algae is in the tank and how quickly your glass gets covered with a film. You mentioned 2 Astrea and 3 Turbos. Are you talking about 3 huge Mexican Turbos? If so, you could get 3 Ceriths and a fighting conch, and you'd be set.

09/11/2006, 10:26 PM	#229
Kigs Moved On Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: LI, NY Posts: 2,182	geez thanx for calling my tank tiny marc. everything is small compared to your 280g. i mean COME ON they are all relatively small at the moment so i guess i'll add 5 or 6 more. my old fighting conch seemed to knock against everything so i threw it in my 29g fowlr.

09/11/2006, 11:08 PM	#230
Cprowler Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,758	Hey Marc, where are you at with the Prodibio? Are you still using it and have you noticed any positives or negatives? I'm about to start using ReefResh again, I think any positives I've seen are minimal. I have half the supply left so I'll see. I apologize if you just mentioned anything about Prodibio recently, I think it's been a while.

09/11/2006, 11:21 PM	#231
Snakebyt Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Lubbock Tx Posts: 2,141	i need to get more snails and crabs, but they always seem to knock stuff over... Where was that one place that your club ordered from and had a good experience?

09/12/2006, 09:41 PM	#234
melev Moved On Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ft Worth, Tx Posts: 43,217	Wanna see a 2200g shark tank? I did, and took pictures! http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...66#post8133866

09/12/2006, 09:41 PM	#235
Snakebyt Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Lubbock Tx Posts: 2,141	also needing somthing to keep my sand looking better, has snail shells and asst debris on it.. any suggestions on what to use?

09/15/2006, 10:18 AM	#242
Kurt03 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 3,602	Hey melev or anyone else growing phyto, how much dt's phyto would you use to start a new culture in a 2 liter bottle?

09/15/2006, 11:53 AM	#243
melev Moved On Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ft Worth, Tx Posts: 43,217	The smallest bottle (8oz) would be good for your first bottle.

09/15/2006, 12:00 PM	#244
Kurt03 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 3,602	hmm i put 2 cap fulls in 2 days ago, will this work but it just wont be very dense or it will take longer to get darker? Or will it prob not work at all.

09/15/2006, 12:36 PM	#247
Kurt03 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 3,602	Thanks melev, i didnt want to add a whole lot since im almost out of it and dont want to buy another bottle if i dont have to. I this doesnt work i will just buy a new bottle and try that. Thanks for your help

09/16/2006, 12:13 PM	#249
melev Moved On Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ft Worth, Tx Posts: 43,217	I just read that in your thread, Keith. The coral I treated is red bug free. However, if there are any in the tank, we both know they have the ability to crawl onto the coral again. So far, none found the A. granulosa.

09/16/2006, 12:38 PM	#250
Stile2 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Yucaipa, California (some little town you've never heard of) Posts: 1,624	Cool Thanks, Your method is so much easy than the whole 15 days in a QT tank thing. So I'm going to try that this time. Keith __________________ If you have a college degree, you can be sure of one thing. You have a college degree! Superman owns Chuck Norris Pajamas!! Current Tank Info: 77 Gallon Custom peninsula 3 sides viewable, DIY Steel Stand, OM Squirt, 2 x 250 w MH, 2 x 95 w VHO, DIY Skimmer