Urgent! can a mandrin get ICK

Tyler lindberg · 11/16/2006, 12:40 AM

I have a really important question. My 80gal reef recently came down with ick so I set up a quarintine tank and I'm treating all my fish exept my mandrin with hypo. My mandrin only eats pods so he would starve to death in the quarintine tank, so can I keep him in my reef for a month and not have to worry about him reinfecting my other fish I heard that mandrins might be immune to this parasite but I would like any info that you can give me.

Thanks

TWallace · 11/16/2006, 01:19 AM

They're extremely resistant to it. Some say they can carry the parasite but not actually be bothered by it, resulting in prolonging the parasite's life cycle. I'm not sure if there's any truth to that. Some fish are naturally highly resistant (maybe even immune) to it, including mandarins, hawkfish (in my experience) and eels.

I've had ich outbreaks in the past and left my flame hawk in the tank while treating the other fish in a QT, and was successful. My main tank has been ich free for about 6 months and I still have the same flame hawk in it. I'm pretty sure mandarins are at least as resistant to ich as hawkfish are.

reefD · 11/16/2006, 01:34 AM

no they cant as they produce a posionouse slime that they produce and release nightly. if you saw him at night looking funcky dont panic . this is normal for manderines at night as they produce slime. as long as he looks good during day your fine. but no they do not get ich at alll! never they have a different skin...no scales!

reefD · 11/16/2006, 01:35 AM

read this as research!
http://www.reefcentral.com/modules.p...showpage&pid=3

reefD · 11/16/2006, 01:36 AM

qoute from above thread "These fish don't get Ich as they secrete an oily substance on their bodies."

Tyler lindberg · 11/16/2006, 02:04 AM

Thanks for the replys everyone

Tu Ku · 11/16/2006, 02:13 AM

Why not just get an excellent reef safe ich medicine and get rid of a quarantine tank all together? Both of Ruby Reef's products are perfect, and work as good as any copper based medications ever will.

Tyler lindberg · 11/16/2006, 02:42 AM

I've researched them and they are a waste of money IMO

musty baby · 11/16/2006, 03:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tu Ku
Why not just get an excellent reef safe ich medicine and get rid of a quarantine tank all together? Both of Ruby Reef's products are perfect, and work as good as any copper based medications ever will.

^^^^^

/sarcasm

Steven Pro · 11/16/2006, 06:44 AM

While that FAQ file is overall well written, regarding mandarins and ich it is patently false. Mandarins can and do get ich.

Tyler lindberg · 11/16/2006, 07:13 AM

Thats a downer... Well then what should i do?

IndyReefMan · 11/16/2006, 07:30 AM

I would QT him too, to be on the safe side. I've seen some on-line retailers selling live pods. That might be worth a try.

bureau13 · 11/16/2006, 07:41 AM

I know copper is not recommended for Mandarins...do they handle hypo OK?

jds

Whisperer · 11/16/2006, 07:55 AM

I have mine under quarantine and hyposalinity because the hippo I bought online came up with a serious case of ick (sp.). The female mandarin had white, bumpy coat around her head for days. This morning, it disappeared. I have them in the 10 G tank and I am feeding them with newly hatched brine shrimps (nauplii). I use CPR back pack in between feedings for skimming. During feeding, I use air pump for aeration and gentle water current. They eat nauplii at their leisure. It will be a while until they go back to the main display.

Steven Pro · 11/16/2006, 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bureau13
I know copper is not recommended for Mandarins...do they handle hypo OK?

jds

Hyposalinity would be fine, but Seachem's Cupramine is supposed to be safe for Mandarins.

Tyler lindberg · 11/16/2006, 08:12 AM

Steven have you seen a mandrin with ick just curious? Would the mandrin be able to live off baby brine for a month? any other suggestions for feeding him?

Steven Pro · 11/16/2006, 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tyler lindberg
Steven have you seen a mandrin with ick just curious?

Yes, several.

Tyler lindberg · 11/16/2006, 08:29 AM

steven ... so what would you do in this situation in terms of providing food for my dragnet?

Steven Pro · 11/16/2006, 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tyler lindberg
steven ... so what would you do in this situation in terms of providing food for my dragnet?

Does your mandarin take any prepared foods such as frozen mysis shrimp, Pacifica plankton, daphnia, bloodworms, etc.?

Tyler lindberg · 11/16/2006, 08:51 AM

No... sadly he only eats pods.

flameangel88 · 11/16/2006, 09:51 AM

I would say Mandarin can get ich. Over the summer I had a outbreak of ich and prior to that the Mardarin looks clean with the slime coating but after the outbreak started it had white dots on the body. In the beginning people said it's probably stuff from the sand but after 2 days there were more on the body and it stopped moving around. Sadly to say it didn't made it but everything else came out fine after treating with Stop Parasite for 5 days.

cayars · 11/16/2006, 10:16 AM

EVERY fish including sharks and eels can get ich. There is no such thing as an ich free fish but some types of fish are "more" immune then others (like sharks, eeks, manderines, & other scaleless fish). It's not likely for a shark to get it but it can happen and there is scientific proof that they can get it.

However, once you get it in your tank you really do need to treat all the fish. I've used Seachem's Cupramine on a green manderine before (with ich) and it came though just fine. I added pods daily. I had heard (never researched) that manderine don't take to hypo very well. I'm not a fan of hypo myself (to many refractormeter readings are wrong) and now we know that it doesn't work with all strains of ich.

You also have another option for treating ich that will work with ANY fish. It's the tank to tank transfer method. It's covered in the following thread:

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...5&pagenumber=2

One cool thing about the t-to-t method is that you can do this with any new purchases during QT time and KNOW that ich will not be introduced into your display tank.

cristhiam · 11/16/2006, 10:19 AM

I have seen madarines with ick but the fish was in a bad shape at the LFS

Tyler lindberg · 11/16/2006, 10:41 AM

The tank to tank method is interesting. where can I buy live pods?

Steven Pro · 11/16/2006, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cayars
EVERY fish including sharks and eels can get ich. There is no such thing as an ich free fish but some types of fish are "more" immune then others (like sharks, eeks, manderines, & other scaleless fish). It's not likely for a shark to get it but it can happen and there is scientific proof that they can get it.

Can you provide a reference for sharks getting Cryptocaryon? My references all say elasmobranches can't get ich, but I have heard of a few people saying they have had sharks get ich. If you could provide a reference, that would be great!

11/16/2006, 12:40 AM	#1
Tyler lindberg Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Washington state Posts: 101	Urgent! can a mandrin get ICK I have a really important question. My 80gal reef recently came down with ick so I set up a quarintine tank and I'm treating all my fish exept my mandrin with hypo. My mandrin only eats pods so he would starve to death in the quarintine tank, so can I keep him in my reef for a month and not have to worry about him reinfecting my other fish I heard that mandrins might be immune to this parasite but I would like any info that you can give me. Thanks

11/16/2006, 01:34 AM	#3
reefD Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Schenectady,New York Posts: 4,968	no they cant as they produce a posionouse slime that they produce and release nightly. if you saw him at night looking funcky dont panic . this is normal for manderines at night as they produce slime. as long as he looks good during day your fine. but no they do not get ich at alll! never they have a different skin...no scales! __________________ DAVID Current Tank Info: it has four sides and a bottom...oh yeah and it has water in it. lol

11/16/2006, 01:35 AM	#4
reefD Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Schenectady,New York Posts: 4,968	read this as research! http://www.reefcentral.com/modules.p...showpage&pid=3 __________________ DAVID Current Tank Info: it has four sides and a bottom...oh yeah and it has water in it. lol

11/16/2006, 01:36 AM	#5
reefD Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Schenectady,New York Posts: 4,968	qoute from above thread "These fish don't get Ich as they secrete an oily substance on their bodies." __________________ DAVID Current Tank Info: it has four sides and a bottom...oh yeah and it has water in it. lol

11/16/2006, 06:44 AM	#10
Steven Pro Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 9,376	While that FAQ file is overall well written, regarding mandarins and ich it is patently false. Mandarins can and do get ich. __________________ Steven Pro, yep that is my real name. Current Tank Info: Twelve 600 gallon tubs located in a greenhouse

11/16/2006, 01:19 AM	#2
TWallace Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,464	They're extremely resistant to it. Some say they can carry the parasite but not actually be bothered by it, resulting in prolonging the parasite's life cycle. I'm not sure if there's any truth to that. Some fish are naturally highly resistant (maybe even immune) to it, including mandarins, hawkfish (in my experience) and eels. I've had ich outbreaks in the past and left my flame hawk in the tank while treating the other fish in a QT, and was successful. My main tank has been ich free for about 6 months and I still have the same flame hawk in it. I'm pretty sure mandarins are at least as resistant to ich as hawkfish are.

11/16/2006, 02:04 AM	#6
Tyler lindberg Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Washington state Posts: 101	Thanks for the replys everyone

11/16/2006, 02:13 AM	#7
Tu Ku Moved On Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 353	Why not just get an excellent reef safe ich medicine and get rid of a quarantine tank all together? Both of Ruby Reef's products are perfect, and work as good as any copper based medications ever will.

11/16/2006, 02:42 AM	#8
Tyler lindberg Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Washington state Posts: 101	I've researched them and they are a waste of money IMO

11/16/2006, 07:13 AM	#11
Tyler lindberg Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Washington state Posts: 101	Thats a downer... Well then what should i do?

11/16/2006, 07:30 AM	#12
IndyReefMan Registered Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 477	I would QT him too, to be on the safe side. I've seen some on-line retailers selling live pods. That might be worth a try.

11/16/2006, 07:41 AM	#13
bureau13 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Florida Posts: 1,936	I know copper is not recommended for Mandarins...do they handle hypo OK? jds

11/16/2006, 07:55 AM	#14
Whisperer Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Punta Gorda, FL Posts: 4,020	I have mine under quarantine and hyposalinity because the hippo I bought online came up with a serious case of ick (sp.). The female mandarin had white, bumpy coat around her head for days. This morning, it disappeared. I have them in the 10 G tank and I am feeding them with newly hatched brine shrimps (nauplii). I use CPR back pack in between feedings for skimming. During feeding, I use air pump for aeration and gentle water current. They eat nauplii at their leisure. It will be a while until they go back to the main display. __________________ The bitterness of poor quality lingers long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten. --------- No one is born with intellect and age guarantees wisdom to no one. Current Tank Info: 120G reef, 30G sump, 10G QT tank

11/16/2006, 08:12 AM	#16
Tyler lindberg Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Washington state Posts: 101	Steven have you seen a mandrin with ick just curious? Would the mandrin be able to live off baby brine for a month? any other suggestions for feeding him?

11/16/2006, 08:29 AM	#18
Tyler lindberg Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Washington state Posts: 101	steven ... so what would you do in this situation in terms of providing food for my dragnet?

11/16/2006, 08:51 AM	#20
Tyler lindberg Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Washington state Posts: 101	No... sadly he only eats pods.

11/16/2006, 09:51 AM	#21
flameangel88 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: NJ Posts: 3,998	I would say Mandarin can get ich. Over the summer I had a outbreak of ich and prior to that the Mardarin looks clean with the slime coating but after the outbreak started it had white dots on the body. In the beginning people said it's probably stuff from the sand but after 2 days there were more on the body and it stopped moving around. Sadly to say it didn't made it but everything else came out fine after treating with Stop Parasite for 5 days.

11/16/2006, 10:16 AM	#22
cayars Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Bordentown, New Jersey Posts: 653	EVERY fish including sharks and eels can get ich. There is no such thing as an ich free fish but some types of fish are "more" immune then others (like sharks, eeks, manderines, & other scaleless fish). It's not likely for a shark to get it but it can happen and there is scientific proof that they can get it. However, once you get it in your tank you really do need to treat all the fish. I've used Seachem's Cupramine on a green manderine before (with ich) and it came though just fine. I added pods daily. I had heard (never researched) that manderine don't take to hypo very well. I'm not a fan of hypo myself (to many refractormeter readings are wrong) and now we know that it doesn't work with all strains of ich. You also have another option for treating ich that will work with ANY fish. It's the tank to tank transfer method. It's covered in the following thread: http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...5&pagenumber=2 One cool thing about the t-to-t method is that you can do this with any new purchases during QT time and KNOW that ich will not be introduced into your display tank.

11/16/2006, 10:19 AM	#23
cristhiam Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Groveland, FL Posts: 3,099	I have seen madarines with ick but the fish was in a bad shape at the LFS __________________ 2 yellows tail damsels, yellow watchman goby, tail spot blennie, purple pseudocromis, starry blennie, 2 clowns, 1 black clown, mandarine & Yellow tang Current Tank Info: 125 AGA, 3 40W 6500K, 3 110W URI Actinics, running on 2 IceCaps 660, CSS125

11/16/2006, 10:41 AM	#24
Tyler lindberg Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Washington state Posts: 101	The tank to tank method is interesting. where can I buy live pods?