Bubble Master Skimmers more info wanted??? - Page 40

UCanDoIt · 11/18/2006, 03:49 PM

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Originally posted by Newreeflady
How long did it take you to get this result? I still have no skimmate, just the one flood before I removed the output adjuster.

thx,
-A

The skimmer started performing within 12 hours, so Ed lucked out on the first setup without doing a vinegar bath to clean the skimmer & pump before setup. After 1.5 weeks, the photo is what he got within 24 hours of cleaning the collection cup for the 2nd time.

A - give Ed a call and he might be able to work through on the phone what's going on with your skimmer. Don't forget that he's worked with quite a few skimmers, not just BM.

Creetin · 11/18/2006, 08:00 PM

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Originally posted by UCanDoIt

Roland, I will not make any comments except to state some facts about this side by side:

1. 100g Reef with 2x daily feedings liquid & pellets for fish & corals
2. 30 hours after collection cup cleaning on both skimmers
3. collection cup left is 6" diameter x 6" tall, right is 6" diameter x 5" tall
4. all additive dosing took place yesterday afternoon including Kent Marine Essential Elements
5. yes, skimmate color on left is lime green and right is emerald green/tea
6. left skimmer only can skim VERY wet as the exhaust pipe is at the minimum and cannot be adjusted for drier, right skimmer is skims normal wet with the waste forming at the top of the riser pipe (dark brown you see at top half of riser pipe is the waste and not the background)
7. frozen mysids and cyclopeze fed yesterday and today to get the skimming going, normally only about twice a week

And Roland, no questions please. This is for you to draw your own conclusions. You're welcome!

Since ya said roland could not ask any more how about me?
Looks like the deltec is broken in, How long has it been running vs the BM? How long does he plan on testing?

UCanDoIt · 11/19/2006, 11:22 AM

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Originally posted by Creetin
Since ya said roland could not ask any more how about me?
Looks like the deltec is broken in, How long has it been running vs the BM? How long does he plan on testing?

I will answer this one question. Deltec has been running at least 6 months and used for several side by sides already. BM is 1.5 weeks. Units were run for 2 days and then both units filled to the top overnight with watery skimmate on the 2nd night. I think too much frozen foods fed in a short amount of time and the skimmers went a little crazy.

Newreeflady · 11/19/2006, 11:48 AM

Thanks,

I didn't rinse the skimmer in vinegar so I guess that i'm still waiting for the initial oils, etc, to get worked out. Hopefully i'll see something in a week or so.

I'm not going to call Ed for this, it seems rather silly. This is why I have RC, I don't want to call people every time I have a question

Now I know, you all rinsed with vinegar. Greg at Reefgeek told me not to and to just rinse with DI water.

Best,
Angela

Paulairduck · 11/19/2006, 07:39 PM

I have tried many different things to get my ati 200 to skim, and they finally worked, I got skimmate at these settings, it is run in seven inches of water and the key, I think on getting it to skim was to slow down the air draw to 10 lpm and immediately the bubble's got a lot smaller and an hour later there was skimmate.

I checked my wheel, it was 45 mm like it was supposed to be. I was lucky enough to have a dwyer meter that has adjustable intake on it, and now @ 10 lpm there is skimmate. I am going to try and run it @ 12lpm and see how it does. If the valve is wide open the pump pulls about 15lpm. I posted before, only twelve, but I did not have the valve all the way open. I am going to post some pics when I get some good NOG!!!

I also have to thank Greg for calling and helping me out, you can't beat great customer service!!!

UCanDoIt · 11/19/2006, 08:46 PM

I think Ed must be tired of seeing me...

Roland Jacques · 11/19/2006, 08:52 PM

Man, i sure wish i could ask a question.

mavgi · 11/19/2006, 08:55 PM

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Originally posted by UCanDoIt

interesting to know what size of tank it's run (it was the 180 gallon ? ) .

i got about the same skim result in my 250 on my 120gallon about 24 hour and i skim dry .

UCanDoIt · 11/19/2006, 09:11 PM

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Originally posted by Roland Jacques
Man, i sure wish i could ask a question.

NP. Just no questions on the BM150 side by side as Ed asked me not to comment any further on that unit.

Newreeflady · 11/19/2006, 11:06 PM

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Originally posted by UCanDoIt
NP. Just no questions on the BM150 side by side as Ed asked me not to comment any further on that unit.

Any comment as to why no further comments?

-A

UCanDoIt · 11/19/2006, 11:20 PM

Nope

You can always PM me a question.

sjm817 · 11/19/2006, 11:23 PM

Any comment on why there is no comment on why there are no further comments?

UCanDoIt · 11/19/2006, 11:26 PM

Nope

OoNickoC · 11/19/2006, 11:43 PM

I object.....

UCanDoIt · 11/19/2006, 11:44 PM

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Originally posted by mavgi
interesting to know what size of tank it's run (it was the 180 gallon ? ) .

i got about the same skim result in my 250 on my 120gallon about 24 hour and i skim dry .

Yep, it is the same 180g fish only tank.

I had similar experience with the H&S A200 skimmer that I owned. I never filled my collection cup before I did my weekly cleaning. But when I sold that skimmer to clkwrk, he fills it about every 5 days to the brim. I'm sure a lot has to do with bioload and feedings. IMO of what I saw today, I believe the BM200 is a good fit for the 180g medium bioload fish only tank. It probably can handle up to 200g heavy bioload and still will keep up.

UCanDoIt · 11/19/2006, 11:50 PM

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Originally posted by OoNickoC
I object.....

Me too, but I'm not the one doing the testing.

UCanDoIt · 11/19/2006, 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Paulairduck
I have tried many different things to get my ati 200 to skim, and they finally worked, I got skimmate at these settings, it is run in seven inches of water and the key, I think on getting it to skim was to slow down the air draw to 10 lpm and immediately the bubble's got a lot smaller and an hour later there was skimmate.

I checked my wheel, it was 45 mm like it was supposed to be. I was lucky enough to have a dwyer meter that has adjustable intake on it, and now @ 10 lpm there is skimmate. I am going to try and run it @ 12lpm and see how it does. If the valve is wide open the pump pulls about 15lpm. I posted before, only twelve, but I did not have the valve all the way open. I am going to post some pics when I get some good NOG!!!

I also have to thank Greg for calling and helping me out, you can't beat great customer service!!!

I missed this post earlier. Any updated photos of your BM200? It maybe similar to Deltec where a new skimmer needs to start with a restricted airflow first (2 o'clock position on Deltec air valve) and then slowly open up as the skimmer breaks in.

mavgi · 11/19/2006, 11:54 PM

UCanDoIt

i am not sure but i am thinking now that it's depend to in the sump size where the skimmer sit

can you tell the size of your sump and the size of clkwrk sump (where the skimmer sit)

UCanDoIt · 11/20/2006, 12:03 AM

I'm really not sure. Looking at the amount of very wet skimmate, it seem similar in consistency as what was pulled out by the BM150, but more in quantity for the first 60 hours. Remember, this skimmer isn't broken in yet. The only difference in preparation is that the BM200 was cleaned in a warm mild vinegar solution for a couple of hours before it was setup.

For my H&S A200, I fed the skimmer directly from the 2 overflows on my tank. And clkwrk is doing the same. But he gets 3x more skimmate than I did and I skimmed very wet as well.

mavgi · 11/20/2006, 12:17 AM

i am sure that the size in the sump where the skimmer able to feed with more water volume the skim result will be high then small area , personal i test it in my sump and i test it with same skimmer and different pump the result was different when i take out the baffles twice then i got with the same bioload.

the test was with the ER CS250 with sedra , gen x , eheim (h&S pump).

UCanDoIt · 11/20/2006, 12:34 AM

Probably true of in sump skimmers, but not sure if there's any effect on recirculating skimmers that are gravity fed directly from the tank's overflow boxes. I know that in sump skimmers are sensitive to sump size, sump waterlevel, whether the water drainning into the sump is directly from tank or has gone through any filtration first.

mavgi · 11/20/2006, 12:47 AM

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Originally posted by UCanDoIt
Probably true of in sump skimmers, but not sure if there's any effect on recirculating skimmers that are gravity fed directly from the tank's overflow boxes. I know that in sump skimmers are sensitive to sump size, sump waterlevel, whether the water drainning into the sump is directly from tank or has gone through any filtration first.

i know that everyone said the RC skimmer work better then in sump skimmer but to be real sure need to put 2 skimmer one RC and one in sump (in open sump) and to test it .

i saw deltec 851 (very good skimmer) on 300 gallon tank with about 45 fish (big tangs) and what you show on the bm200 he don't get in 4 days , he also have the ATI250(with the eheim pump) and when i saw the first compare the ATI give better result. my ATI skim better then his on small bioload and small tank.

realy interesting if i had a space in my stand i could test it to put my 2 ER (same skimmer one in sump and one recirculating)
unfortunately i don't have the space for that.

UCanDoIt · 11/20/2006, 12:53 AM

Same for my local dealer, no space and no time to redo plumbing. So, I've stopped trying to ask him to do it. Like I mentioned earlier, he's probably tired of seeing me. I need to work on his partner now as the BM250 should be in by the end of the month.

mavgi · 11/20/2006, 01:04 AM

when you feed the H&S from your overflow (i think you put ball valve i not remember i read tha post long time ago) do you know how much water volume you feed the skimmer ?

and what water volume clkwrk feed noe the skimmer ?

maybe the result of his skimming because the different water volume that the skimmer feed in .

P.S sorry if i was misunderstand but i didn't mean to ask you to try that with your LFS.

JohnL · 11/20/2006, 01:04 AM

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11/19/2006, 11:48 AM	#979
Newreeflady Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Ithaca, NY Posts: 4,840	Thanks, I didn't rinse the skimmer in vinegar so I guess that i'm still waiting for the initial oils, etc, to get worked out. Hopefully i'll see something in a week or so. I'm not going to call Ed for this, it seems rather silly. This is why I have RC, I don't want to call people every time I have a question Now I know, you all rinsed with vinegar. Greg at Reefgeek told me not to and to just rinse with DI water. Best, Angela __________________ A university professor went to visit a famous Zen master. While the master quietly served tea, the professor talked about Zen. The master poured the visitor’s cup to the brim, and then kept pouring. The professor watched the overflowing cup until he could no longer restrain himself. “It’s overfull! No more will go in!” the professor blurted. “You are like this cup,” the master replied, “How can I show you Zen unless you first empty your cup.” Current Tank Info: 56g, 20g.

11/19/2006, 07:39 PM	#980
Paulairduck I LOVE FREE FRAGS!!! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Chino Hills Posts: 2,909	I finally got skimmate I have tried many different things to get my ati 200 to skim, and they finally worked, I got skimmate at these settings, it is run in seven inches of water and the key, I think on getting it to skim was to slow down the air draw to 10 lpm and immediately the bubble's got a lot smaller and an hour later there was skimmate. I checked my wheel, it was 45 mm like it was supposed to be. I was lucky enough to have a dwyer meter that has adjustable intake on it, and now @ 10 lpm there is skimmate. I am going to try and run it @ 12lpm and see how it does. If the valve is wide open the pump pulls about 15lpm. I posted before, only twelve, but I did not have the valve all the way open. I am going to post some pics when I get some good NOG!!! I also have to thank Greg for calling and helping me out, you can't beat great customer service!!!

11/19/2006, 08:46 PM	#981
UCanDoIt Moved On Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bay Area CA Posts: 1,684	BM200 - first 60 hours of skimming *I think Ed must be tired of seeing me...* Last edited by UCanDoIt; 11/19/2006 at 09:06 PM.

11/19/2006, 08:52 PM	#982
Roland Jacques Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 2,848	Man, i sure wish i could ask a question. __________________ Roland

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11/19/2006, 11:20 PM	#986
UCanDoIt Moved On Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bay Area CA Posts: 1,684	Nope You can always PM me a question.

11/19/2006, 11:26 PM	#988
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11/19/2006, 11:43 PM	#989
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11/19/2006, 11:54 PM	#993
mavgi Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: queens n.y Posts: 2,209	UCanDoIt i am not sure but i am thinking now that it's depend to in the sump size where the skimmer sit can you tell the size of your sump and the size of clkwrk sump (where the skimmer sit)

11/20/2006, 12:03 AM	#994
UCanDoIt Moved On Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bay Area CA Posts: 1,684	I'm really not sure. Looking at the amount of very wet skimmate, it seem similar in consistency as what was pulled out by the BM150, but more in quantity for the first 60 hours. Remember, this skimmer isn't broken in yet. The only difference in preparation is that the BM200 was cleaned in a warm mild vinegar solution for a couple of hours before it was setup. For my H&S A200, I fed the skimmer directly from the 2 overflows on my tank. And clkwrk is doing the same. But he gets 3x more skimmate than I did and I skimmed very wet as well.

11/20/2006, 12:17 AM	#995
mavgi Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: queens n.y Posts: 2,209	i am sure that the size in the sump where the skimmer able to feed with more water volume the skim result will be high then small area , personal i test it in my sump and i test it with same skimmer and different pump the result was different when i take out the baffles twice then i got with the same bioload. the test was with the ER CS250 with sedra , gen x , eheim (h&S pump).

11/20/2006, 12:34 AM	#996
UCanDoIt Moved On Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bay Area CA Posts: 1,684	Probably true of in sump skimmers, but not sure if there's any effect on recirculating skimmers that are gravity fed directly from the tank's overflow boxes. I know that in sump skimmers are sensitive to sump size, sump waterlevel, whether the water drainning into the sump is directly from tank or has gone through any filtration first.

11/20/2006, 12:53 AM	#998
UCanDoIt Moved On Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bay Area CA Posts: 1,684	Same for my local dealer, no space and no time to redo plumbing. So, I've stopped trying to ask him to do it. Like I mentioned earlier, he's probably tired of seeing me. I need to work on his partner now as the BM250 should be in by the end of the month.

11/20/2006, 01:04 AM	#999
mavgi Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: queens n.y Posts: 2,209	when you feed the H&S from your overflow (i think you put ball valve i not remember i read tha post long time ago) do you know how much water volume you feed the skimmer ? and what water volume clkwrk feed noe the skimmer ? maybe the result of his skimming because the different water volume that the skimmer feed in . P.S sorry if i was misunderstand but i didn't mean to ask you to try that with your LFS.

11/20/2006, 01:04 AM	#1000
JohnL RC Staff Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 14,431	This thread was automatically split due to performance issues. You can find the rest of the thread here: http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...hreadid=976704