arent nurse sharks illegal to keep in captivity?

Reefinator · 03/24/2007, 03:56 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/live-saltwater-n...QQcmdZViewItem

tangyreefer05 · 03/24/2007, 04:00 PM

WOW a 125g poor fella. I hate seeing sharks in tanks.

Reefinator · 03/24/2007, 04:01 PM

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Originally posted by tangyreefer05
WOW a 125g poor fella. I hate seeing sharks in tanks.

i dont think that shark lived a really bad life, i mean he's only 14 inches plus he's hopefully going to a much bigger tank now

tangyreefer05 · 03/24/2007, 04:23 PM

yeah hopefully, I just don't know, I feel they should stay in the wild.

SDguy · 03/24/2007, 04:38 PM

Their relatively sedentary nature not withstanding, nurse sharks get REALLY big....I didn't think people still imported/sold them.

zuzecawi · 03/24/2007, 05:29 PM

I agree with the whole... leave the sharks to the wild. I can understand keeping them in a educational setting, like a large aquarium such as the Monteray Bay Aquarium or the Atlanta joint, but private party... seems like people get sharks for much the same reason they get wolves or rattlesnakes... the show off factor vs. conservation/education. I can understand having a dedicated shark tank, something big and well equipped, but the sale of shark egg cases is just gross.

And yes, nurse sharks do hit a pretty respectable size. Any shark at all in a 125.... bleah. Sick. There's a guy in my area selling a 180 with the advertisement "Would make a great shark tank" and it just makes me want to puke every time I see it. Far from being a member of the tang police, or shark police for that matter, I just don't like seeing stupidity.

Andrew · 03/24/2007, 05:31 PM

I thought they were only illegal to keep in California? Might be wrong but I remember reading something on them awhile back.

Michelle L · 03/24/2007, 09:02 PM

Well illegal to keep or not, it's against Ebay rules to sell live animals.

I reported the auction to Ebay.

SDguy · 03/24/2007, 09:13 PM

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Originally posted by Michelle L
Well illegal to keep or not, it's against Ebay rules to sell live animals.

I reported the auction to Ebay.

Aren't corals live animals

DouglasTiede · 03/24/2007, 09:20 PM

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Originally posted by SDguy
Aren't corals live animals

Good point, but ebay is run by people who go, Oh look Nemo! and that will be 15% of your sale thank you!

Reefinator · 03/25/2007, 05:06 AM

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Originally posted by Michelle L
Well illegal to keep or not, it's against Ebay rules to sell live animals.

I reported the auction to Ebay.

you can sell live animals on ebay

Scuba_Steve · 03/25/2007, 05:23 AM

Live Animals: Other than the exceptions noted here, eBay does not allow sales of live animals or pets on eBay. eBay allows sales of tropical fish and domestic (i.e. not exotic) aquatic snails, provided the seller has the proper Federal (APHIS PPQ) - see Form 526 info below) and/or State permit(s) that allows for movement across State lines (and/or for importation into the U. S.), and provided that the seller guarantees in the listing that the animals will be packaged safely, and shipped via next day delivery.

But regardless, leave the sharks alone. Small sharks in huge systems are one thing, but a nurse in a 125g is totally unacceptable.

Michelle L · 03/25/2007, 06:59 AM

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Originally posted by Reefinator
you can sell live animals on ebay

No, you cannot. They are listed as prohibited items. Maybe they don't consider fish live "animals," I don't know, but generally the sale of live animals is a no-no.

Ebay either agrees with the rest of us, or they are investigating to see if he is licensed, because the auction was pulled less than two hours after I alerted them to it. I guess we'll have to wait and see if it reappears to know if he has the proper permits. (And, I would guess that's probably a negative since he just seems to be a regular hobbiest and not a business.)

virginiadiver69 · 03/25/2007, 07:01 AM

Listing removed!

GreshamH · 03/25/2007, 08:22 AM

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Originally posted by Andrew
I thought they were only illegal to keep in California? Might be wrong but I remember reading something on them awhile back.

Theres only a few sharks illegal to keep in CA. Leopards (illegal for every one to keep as there is no legal collection grounds), whites, Makos, etc. Only ones found in CA are illlegal to keep in CA (since there is no legal collections of these).

Horned sharks, Nurse sharks, cat sharks, etc, are all legal to keep in CA. Now AZ (IIRC) has banned all shark keeping.

oxkisses12ox · 03/25/2007, 09:28 AM

no... it isnt illegal to keep nurse sharks in captivity, they surprisingly do very well in captivity ( although i still believe they should be kept in the wild ).

Lion_Babe · 03/25/2007, 10:50 AM

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Originally posted by DouglasTiede
Good point, but ebay is run by people who go, Oh look Nemo! and that will be 15% of your sale thank you!

Nemo has screwed up the hobby.

I don't think it is illegal, but they should be kept in God's tank.

Reefinator · 03/25/2007, 11:15 AM

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Originally posted by Michelle L
No, you cannot. They are listed as prohibited items. Maybe they don't consider fish live "animals," I don't know, but generally the sale of live animals is a no-no.

Ebay either agrees with the rest of us, or they are investigating to see if he is licensed, because the auction was pulled less than two hours after I alerted them to it. I guess we'll have to wait and see if it reappears to know if he has the proper permits. (And, I would guess that's probably a negative since he just seems to be a regular hobbiest and not a business.)

UGH...nothing worse than people who dont mind their own business.

that nurse shark is in a 125G, instead of shooting him an email to tell him the facts, you go and rat him out. So now, since you got his listing pulled, he probably wont sell that shark and it will rot away in his 125G

nice job, real nice

oh look, another live animal on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Live-Coral-Saltw...QQcmdZViewItem

angel125 · 03/25/2007, 04:06 PM

Yeah thats tru why rat him out.....not to start anything here but seems like you`re neighbors feel safe living in you`re neighborhood. Do you also do neigborhood watch?....That`s just not right.

SDguy · 03/25/2007, 05:27 PM

Oh yeah, and it's better, I suppose, that the guy sell it on ebay? Oh wait, that means he can sell more and get away with it. Great idea.

Since when is having people follow rules that are in place for a reason, ratting them out? Where are we, prison? Please...

And angel, you're what, dissing neighborhood watch programs?

Reefinator · 03/26/2007, 12:43 AM

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Originally posted by SDguy
Oh yeah, and it's better, I suppose, that the guy sell it on ebay? Oh wait, that means he can sell more and get away with it. Great idea.

Since when is having people follow rules that are in place for a reason, ratting them out? Where are we, prison? Please...

And angel, you're what, dissing neighborhood watch programs?

sell more? he's trying to get his pet shark a BETTER HOME

i'm sure he paid good money for it so he's trying to recoup some costs

SDguy · 03/26/2007, 08:09 AM

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Originally posted by Reefinator
sell more? he's trying to get his pet shark a BETTER HOME

I'm sure he paid good money for it so he's trying to recoup some costs

You call attention to his post, suggesting if it's illegal, then defend the guy. Are you chafed yet from straddling that fence?

Reefinator · 03/26/2007, 10:17 AM

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Originally posted by SDguy
You call attention to his post, suggesting if it's illegal, then defend the guy. Are you chafed yet from straddling that fence?

davidryder · 03/26/2007, 11:26 AM

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Originally posted by Michelle L
Well illegal to keep or not, it's against Ebay rules to sell live animals.

I reported the auction to Ebay.

Good job! The auction was removed

davidryder · 03/26/2007, 11:30 AM

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Originally posted by Reefinator
UGH...nothing worse than people who dont mind their own business.

that nurse shark is in a 125G, instead of shooting him an email to tell him the facts, you go and rat him out. So now, since you got his listing pulled, he probably wont sell that shark and it will rot away in his 125G

nice job, real nice

oh look, another live animal on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Live-Coral-Saltw...QQcmdZViewItem

There is no guarantee that whoever purchased that shark would have been a responsible caregiver. The responsibility to care for that shark is whomever owns it. Anybody could have bought that thing!

03/24/2007, 03:56 PM	#1
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03/24/2007, 04:38 PM	#5
SDguy Fish heads unite! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: San Diego Posts: 23,384	Their relatively sedentary nature not withstanding, nurse sharks get REALLY big....I didn't think people still imported/sold them. __________________ Peter SDMAS member Marine tanks since 1989. ><((((º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><((((º> ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><((((º> Current Tank Info: 240g butterfly and angel FOWLR. 15g QT.

03/24/2007, 09:02 PM	#8
Michelle L Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Normal, IL Posts: 921	Well illegal to keep or not, it's against Ebay rules to sell live animals. I reported the auction to Ebay. __________________ At the end of the game, the king and the pawn go back in the same box. Current Tank Info: 220 Gal. Reef; 50 Gal. sump/fuge; Aqua-Medic T5000 Shorty Skimmer; 3 Aqua-Medic 400 Watt Ocean Light Mogul MH 18" Pendants; and 2 Tunze 6100's

03/25/2007, 05:23 AM	#12
Scuba_Steve Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pooler, Ga Posts: 1,342	Live Animals: Other than the exceptions noted here, eBay does not allow sales of live animals or pets on eBay. eBay allows sales of tropical fish and domestic (i.e. not exotic) aquatic snails, provided the seller has the proper Federal (APHIS PPQ) - see Form 526 info below) and/or State permit(s) that allows for movement across State lines (and/or for importation into the U. S.), and provided that the seller guarantees in the listing that the animals will be packaged safely, and shipped via next day delivery. But regardless, leave the sharks alone. Small sharks in huge systems are one thing, but a nurse in a 125g is totally unacceptable. __________________ 40g DIY AIO. DT Size is 27"x18"x17" SCA-301 skimmer, DIY ATS 4"x4" 1 cube setup, Ocean Revive 120w LED, Quiet One 3000, Jager 150w TBS Rock

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03/24/2007, 04:00 PM	#2
tangyreefer05 Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 474	WOW a 125g poor fella. I hate seeing sharks in tanks.

03/24/2007, 04:23 PM	#4
tangyreefer05 Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 474	yeah hopefully, I just don't know, I feel they should stay in the wild.

03/24/2007, 05:29 PM	#6
zuzecawi Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Salem, OR Posts: 472	I agree with the whole... leave the sharks to the wild. I can understand keeping them in a educational setting, like a large aquarium such as the Monteray Bay Aquarium or the Atlanta joint, but private party... seems like people get sharks for much the same reason they get wolves or rattlesnakes... the show off factor vs. conservation/education. I can understand having a dedicated shark tank, something big and well equipped, but the sale of shark egg cases is just gross. And yes, nurse sharks do hit a pretty respectable size. Any shark at all in a 125.... bleah. Sick. There's a guy in my area selling a 180 with the advertisement "Would make a great shark tank" and it just makes me want to puke every time I see it. Far from being a member of the tang police, or shark police for that matter, I just don't like seeing stupidity.

03/24/2007, 05:31 PM	#7
Andrew Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 13,640	I thought they were only illegal to keep in California? Might be wrong but I remember reading something on them awhile back.

03/25/2007, 09:28 AM	#16
oxkisses12ox Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Key West Posts: 353	no... it isnt illegal to keep nurse sharks in captivity, they surprisingly do very well in captivity ( although i still believe they should be kept in the wild ). __________________ 14 Gallon Biocube Plate Coral 2 serpent stars 2 hermits and 4 snails 1 cleaner shrimp 2 false clowns 1 horseshoe crab water : nirates nitrite amonia = 0 PH 8.2 temp 79 calc 400 Current Tank Info: 14 gallon biocube

03/25/2007, 04:06 PM	#19
angel125 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: bronx,NY Posts: 118	Yeah thats tru why rat him out.....not to start anything here but seems like you`re neighbors feel safe living in you`re neighborhood. Do you also do neigborhood watch?....That`s just not right.

03/25/2007, 05:27 PM	#20
SDguy Fish heads unite! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: San Diego Posts: 23,384	Oh yeah, and it's better, I suppose, that the guy sell it on ebay? Oh wait, that means he can sell more and get away with it. Great idea. Since when is having people follow rules that are in place for a reason, ratting them out? Where are we, prison? Please... And angel, you're what, dissing neighborhood watch programs? __________________ Peter SDMAS member Marine tanks since 1989. ><((((º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><((((º> ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><((((º> Current Tank Info: 240g butterfly and angel FOWLR. 15g QT.