Skimmer off? ATi, ASM,EURO, H&S, Octopus

MammothReefer · 01/01/2007, 01:32 PM

Anybody have a links to big skimmer comparision

ie ASM G6, bubble Masters, Beckets, big Euro Reefs ect.. Trying to figure out which is gonna give me the most bang for my buck.

Volcano1 · 01/02/2007, 01:39 AM

Had a G-6 and my H&S 200 x 3 f2001 out performed it. Only insight I can give on the models you asked about.

clekchau · 01/02/2007, 02:00 AM

spazz custom skimmer easily for the win when it comes to bang for the buck

MammothReefer · 01/02/2007, 02:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by clekchau
spazz custom skimmer easily for the win when it comes to bang for the buck

???!!!

MammothReefer · 01/02/2007, 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by REEFGREENER
Had a G-6 and my H&S 200 x 3 f2001 out performed it. Only insight I can give on the models you asked about.

Where did you get your H&S? Only place I found them they are a grand.

clekchau · 01/02/2007, 07:47 AM

what size system are you skimming for? what other equipment will you be using? if its for a 500 gallon system, $1000 for a skimmer would be getting off pretty cheap imho

MammothReefer · 01/02/2007, 11:18 AM

yea it's for my 500 gallon system I'm going to be running 2 skimmers. (not going to throw away the g3 when I get something new). The display is 225g...the rest is sump and equip tanks.

nyvp · 01/02/2007, 11:58 AM

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...&pagenumber=18

This is a spazz skimmer on page 1/2 way down and I have a video of it working on 20

MammothReefer · 01/02/2007, 12:56 PM

Soo.. I'm trying to pick a second skimmer for my tank approx 500gallon SPS.. and it seems that there are alot of skimmers all claiming to be great around the same price range. So I'm looking for thoughts on which is the way to go (please note rough prices not ACTUAL price)

ATI Bubble Master 250 - 750$
H&S 2001x3 - 1100$
Euro Reef Recir - 850$
ASM G6 - 550$ (anothoer 100$ in mods)
Octopus 3xRecirc - 800$

Now i'm reading a TON of great stuff about all these skimmers except the G6 and I haven't read much about the Octopus..but from what I understand a quick afternoon and a couple bucks on mods and the g6 will hold it's own..

The ATI seems to have picked up alot of steam as a Cheap Bubble King knock off, while the H&S seem to be the skimmer of choice for those who are just fed up with trying to find the perfect skimmer haha..

SOo.. What do you all think? Which is gonna give me the most bang for my buck?!

MammothReefer · 01/02/2007, 12:56 PM

gonna move this thread over to this one in the skimmer forum..

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...readid=1007892

TacoKing · 01/02/2007, 01:27 PM

I just installed this guy over the weekend.

It's a custom GEO needle wheel with the Sequence Dart pump as the recirc. 48" tall, 12" diam.

Nanook · 01/02/2007, 01:41 PM

Awesome skimmer!! Geo's craftmanship just gets better and better with time.

TacoKing · 01/02/2007, 01:50 PM

You should see it all put together and installed

That picture doesn't do it justice. The reaction chamber isn't aligned, the drain pipe isn't connected to the holder, the air pipe is all crooked..

But it's one HECK of a skimmer.

Nanook · 01/02/2007, 01:53 PM

I might be next in line to get mine!! The wait since June 2005 is almost over

Seriously, I am getting close to getting a 1000g system going and I think Geo's products are second to none.

Which air pump are you using? How about which pump to feed the skimmer and your total gallonage?

Thanks.

MammothReefer · 01/02/2007, 01:54 PM

what made you decide with that over the needle/thread wheel style skimmer.

Nanook · 01/02/2007, 02:05 PM

That skimmer is using a recirculating Sequence Dart needlewheel pump.

TacoKing · 01/02/2007, 02:06 PM

I have the SweetWater SL24 air pump driving it. For 9 watts you can't go wrong! I'm not exactly sure if it can take more air or not. It seems to be pretty darn close to a perfect skimmer right now.

I've only got 700 or so gallons right now, but it's enough. I figured i might as well over skim than under

I'm feeding it with a mag 7 right now at full blast and I think it might be a bit too much. I'm going to valve that down tonight and see how it performs for the next couple of days.

My main reason for this skimmer was two fold. One heat. I had an internal GEO skimmer using two sedra 9000's. It wasn't that noticable, but my opinion is every internal pump is putting heat in the water. Second, energy. These dart pumps are great. ~120 or so watts on that and 9 watts on an airpump. Compaired to 2 sedra 9000's, that's a savings of 50 watts.. Not a ton, but every bit adds up.

And third, GEO rocks! I'd have him build everything I own if I had the money. No better product for the price.

-Rob

TacoKing · 01/02/2007, 02:07 PM

Picture of the beef of the skimmer.

viggen · 01/02/2007, 02:15 PM

Since you want -bang for my buck- I would suggest looking at the skimmers at a comparable price. If $1100 is your max why not compare various $1100 skimmers vs $550-1100 skimmers.

Look at the physical size of the reaction chamber (I would think you would want 12 in dia skimmer) & also the specs on the pumps at the price point.

I wouldn't compare the mfg suggested tank numbers especially with the lower end models like ASM, Octopus because they are usually very inflated.

ridetheducati · 01/02/2007, 02:33 PM

Tacoking,

It is all heresy unless we see pix of the beast in action.

GEO is like a fine wine...

ridetheducati · 01/02/2007, 02:37 PM

Look at it this way. All the skimmers $1000 and above are very good (top tier).

When was the last time you saw a thread where someone was downgrading their BK, H&S, or Deltec for middle or bottom tier?

MammothReefer · 01/02/2007, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by viggen
Since you want -bang for my buck- I would suggest looking at the skimmers at a comparable price. If $1100 is your max why not compare various $1100 skimmers vs $550-1100 skimmers.

Look at the physical size of the reaction chamber (I would think you would want 12 in dia skimmer) & also the specs on the pumps at the price point.

I wouldn't compare the mfg suggested tank numbers especially with the lower end models like ASM, Octopus because they are usually very inflated.

Because cost doesn't always dictate quality. Take for example the ATI-BM 250 for 750 how it compare to the 1100 H&S?

bubbaOPPD · 01/02/2007, 03:16 PM

I have a H&S A200 3xF2001 and a BM250 and I would say the H&S outskims the BM almost 2 to 1 and I feed the tank with the BM more, but the tank does have 100lbs more live rock. I hope that when I finally get the part to control the level I will get more skimmate from the BM but as of now if I were to do it again I would have gotten another H&S.

viggen · 01/02/2007, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MammothReefer
Because cost doesn't always dictate quality. Take for example the ATI-BM 250 for 750 how it compare to the 1100 H&S?

Correct, many times you are paying for better quality in the craftmanship & better materials which might or might not mean better performance.

Which is why I looked at the specs of the products & not just prices.

It's also why I did not consider some of the top manufacturers & settled on a used ER because I was able to get a much larger/better skimmer going this route then buying new. I snagged a skimmer 3+ years ago which has a 12 in body & is rated for a stocked 500g for under $800

One just sold on this site for $300

ridetheducati · 01/02/2007, 05:08 PM

Some will never understand the power of the H&S. Unfortunately, you have to own one to appreciate it.

The ATi with the gate valve mod is impressive. I almost purchased one, two reasons kept me from pulling the trigger.

1. Track record
2. Sump only model (will change soon)

01/01/2007, 01:32 PM	#1
MammothReefer Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mammoth Lakes, CA Posts: 3,442	Big Skimmer Showdown? Anybody have a links to big skimmer comparision ie ASM G6, bubble Masters, Beckets, big Euro Reefs ect.. Trying to figure out which is gonna give me the most bang for my buck. __________________ Reefin @ 8298' Current Tank Info: 105 Peninsula

01/02/2007, 01:39 AM	#2
Volcano1 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: North Central Illinois. Posts: 1,233	Had a G-6 and my H&S 200 x 3 f2001 out performed it. Only insight I can give on the models you asked about. __________________ . Current Tank Info: 420,96x36x28,100 sump,100 Cheato fuge,4 luminarc large x 400 se Radium 20k , wavebox x 3, 3 - 6105, 1- 6200, Volcano 1864, , Aquatronica Touch controller, Turbo Aquatics L8 Gen 4 ATS

01/02/2007, 02:00 AM	#3
clekchau Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: TX Posts: 1,159	spazz custom skimmer easily for the win when it comes to bang for the buck __________________ RIP: 550 Fowlr, 600 Mixed Cichlids Aquarium Blog: www.clekchau.com

01/02/2007, 07:47 AM	#6
clekchau Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: TX Posts: 1,159	what size system are you skimming for? what other equipment will you be using? if its for a 500 gallon system, $1000 for a skimmer would be getting off pretty cheap imho __________________ RIP: 550 Fowlr, 600 Mixed Cichlids Aquarium Blog: www.clekchau.com

01/02/2007, 11:18 AM	#7
MammothReefer Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mammoth Lakes, CA Posts: 3,442	yea it's for my 500 gallon system I'm going to be running 2 skimmers. (not going to throw away the g3 when I get something new). The display is 225g...the rest is sump and equip tanks. __________________ Reefin @ 8298' Current Tank Info: 105 Peninsula

01/02/2007, 11:58 AM	#8
nyvp Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Hollywood Florida Posts: 3,633	http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...&pagenumber=18 This is a spazz skimmer on page 1/2 way down and I have a video of it working on 20

01/02/2007, 12:56 PM	#9
MammothReefer Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mammoth Lakes, CA Posts: 3,442	Skimmer off? ATi, ASM,EURO, H&S, Octopus Soo.. I'm trying to pick a second skimmer for my tank approx 500gallon SPS.. and it seems that there are alot of skimmers all claiming to be great around the same price range. So I'm looking for thoughts on which is the way to go (please note rough prices not ACTUAL price) ATI Bubble Master 250 - 750$ H&S 2001x3 - 1100$ Euro Reef Recir - 850$ ASM G6 - 550$ (anothoer 100$ in mods) Octopus 3xRecirc - 800$ Now i'm reading a TON of great stuff about all these skimmers except the G6 and I haven't read much about the Octopus..but from what I understand a quick afternoon and a couple bucks on mods and the g6 will hold it's own.. The ATI seems to have picked up alot of steam as a Cheap Bubble King knock off, while the H&S seem to be the skimmer of choice for those who are just fed up with trying to find the perfect skimmer haha.. SOo.. What do you all think? Which is gonna give me the most bang for my buck?! __________________ Reefin @ 8298' Current Tank Info: 105 Peninsula

01/02/2007, 01:27 PM	#11
TacoKing Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 2,051	I just installed this guy over the weekend. It's a custom GEO needle wheel with the Sequence Dart pump as the recirc. 48" tall, 12" diam.

01/02/2007, 01:41 PM	#12
Nanook Ancient Eskimo Legend Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Saint Louis, MO Posts: 41,852 Blog Entries: 11	Awesome skimmer!! Geo's craftmanship just gets better and better with time. __________________ The wind blew, the chit flew, and then they came two by two. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Current Tank Info: 375g Tanganyikan Tank & 470g mixed reef

01/02/2007, 01:50 PM	#13
TacoKing Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 2,051	You should see it all put together and installed That picture doesn't do it justice. The reaction chamber isn't aligned, the drain pipe isn't connected to the holder, the air pipe is all crooked.. But it's one HECK of a skimmer.

01/02/2007, 01:53 PM	#14
Nanook Ancient Eskimo Legend Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Saint Louis, MO Posts: 41,852 Blog Entries: 11	I might be next in line to get mine!! The wait since June 2005 is almost over Seriously, I am getting close to getting a 1000g system going and I think Geo's products are second to none. Which air pump are you using? How about which pump to feed the skimmer and your total gallonage? Thanks. __________________ The wind blew, the chit flew, and then they came two by two. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Current Tank Info: 375g Tanganyikan Tank & 470g mixed reef

01/02/2007, 01:54 PM	#15
MammothReefer Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mammoth Lakes, CA Posts: 3,442	what made you decide with that over the needle/thread wheel style skimmer. __________________ Reefin @ 8298' Current Tank Info: 105 Peninsula

01/02/2007, 02:05 PM	#16
Nanook Ancient Eskimo Legend Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Saint Louis, MO Posts: 41,852 Blog Entries: 11	That skimmer is using a recirculating Sequence Dart needlewheel pump. __________________ The wind blew, the chit flew, and then they came two by two. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Current Tank Info: 375g Tanganyikan Tank & 470g mixed reef

01/02/2007, 02:06 PM	#17
TacoKing Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 2,051	I have the SweetWater SL24 air pump driving it. For 9 watts you can't go wrong! I'm not exactly sure if it can take more air or not. It seems to be pretty darn close to a perfect skimmer right now. I've only got 700 or so gallons right now, but it's enough. I figured i might as well over skim than under I'm feeding it with a mag 7 right now at full blast and I think it might be a bit too much. I'm going to valve that down tonight and see how it performs for the next couple of days. My main reason for this skimmer was two fold. One heat. I had an internal GEO skimmer using two sedra 9000's. It wasn't that noticable, but my opinion is every internal pump is putting heat in the water. Second, energy. These dart pumps are great. ~120 or so watts on that and 9 watts on an airpump. Compaired to 2 sedra 9000's, that's a savings of 50 watts.. Not a ton, but every bit adds up. And third, GEO rocks! I'd have him build everything I own if I had the money. No better product for the price. -Rob

01/02/2007, 02:07 PM	#18
TacoKing Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 2,051	Picture of the beef of the skimmer.

01/02/2007, 02:15 PM	#19
viggen Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 2,213	Re: Skimmer off? ATi, ASM,EURO, H&S, Octopus Since you want -bang for my buck- I would suggest looking at the skimmers at a comparable price. If $1100 is your max why not compare various $1100 skimmers vs $550-1100 skimmers. Look at the physical size of the reaction chamber (I would think you would want 12 in dia skimmer) & also the specs on the pumps at the price point. I wouldn't compare the mfg suggested tank numbers especially with the lower end models like ASM, Octopus because they are usually very inflated.

01/02/2007, 02:33 PM	#20
ridetheducati 20 and Over Club Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Bowie, MD Posts: 2,968	Tacoking, It is all heresy unless we see pix of the beast in action. GEO is like a fine wine... __________________ "Send more paramedics" Current Tank Info: 300g DD, SPS dominated, Apex, Tunze 6125s, ATB 1050, 400w MH, and Geo 618 Ca Reactor

01/02/2007, 02:37 PM	#21
ridetheducati 20 and Over Club Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Bowie, MD Posts: 2,968	Look at it this way. All the skimmers $1000 and above are very good (top tier). When was the last time you saw a thread where someone was downgrading their BK, H&S, or Deltec for middle or bottom tier? __________________ "Send more paramedics" Current Tank Info: 300g DD, SPS dominated, Apex, Tunze 6125s, ATB 1050, 400w MH, and Geo 618 Ca Reactor

01/02/2007, 03:16 PM	#23
bubbaOPPD Moved On Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Omaha, Nebraska Posts: 416	I have a H&S A200 3xF2001 and a BM250 and I would say the H&S outskims the BM almost 2 to 1 and I feed the tank with the BM more, but the tank does have 100lbs more live rock. I hope that when I finally get the part to control the level I will get more skimmate from the BM but as of now if I were to do it again I would have gotten another H&S.

01/02/2007, 05:08 PM	#25
ridetheducati 20 and Over Club Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Bowie, MD Posts: 2,968	Some will never understand the power of the H&S. Unfortunately, you have to own one to appreciate it. The ATi with the gate valve mod is impressive. I almost purchased one, two reasons kept me from pulling the trigger. 1. Track record 2. Sump only model (will change soon) __________________ "Send more paramedics" Current Tank Info: 300g DD, SPS dominated, Apex, Tunze 6125s, ATB 1050, 400w MH, and Geo 618 Ca Reactor