tattooed fish

thornbury · 02/04/2007, 05:42 AM

Since mollies can be kept in saltwater it's not really off topic

but this amazing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsKWu3qPQro

It's already been imported to US... and it's legal according to RSPCA.

SpektralerSpeer · 02/04/2007, 06:39 AM

Hi thornbury,

it's a very cruel and dangerous process, as explained in this article:

http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.u...?article_id=72

Imagine being involuntarily injected with dye by a pencil-width needle without an anaesthetic? If someone were doing it to kittens for example, there'd be outrage (and rightfully so). Also, it's only legal to import the fish into the UK, It's illegal to carry out the process in the country.

Paul

hulley · 02/04/2007, 06:43 AM

I dont like cats, so I wouldn't be too outraged, puppies however....

SpektralerSpeer · 02/04/2007, 06:56 AM

Hi hulley,

I don't really think it's a matter of 'like' or 'don't like', it's a matter of empathy. I don't like baboons much but I would hate for them to be needlessly tortured like this. Cruelty is cruelty whatever the animal - imagine if it were you!

Paul

hulley · 02/04/2007, 07:04 AM

That was my poor attempt at being funny. I'm not a fan at hurting any animals. I really dont like cats, but I dont want harm done to them! or any animal for that matter.

ReeferAl · 02/04/2007, 07:22 AM

Tattooed fish- that really is disturbed. The next thing you know they'll have fish with body piercings.

Allen

d4a2n0k · 02/04/2007, 07:26 AM

The "inventors" should be tied down and injected with this crap, see how they like it.

aaron112977 · 02/04/2007, 08:23 AM

When a little 5 year old girl goes to the pet shop with her mom this sort of thing catches her eye and she says"mommy mommy i want this one" and then the pet shop owners and the people tattooing are all making MONEY which is what runs every thing in this world we live in. its cruel but as long as it is selling their not going to stop.

SpektralerSpeer · 02/04/2007, 08:46 AM

Very true aaron112977, but would the little girl and her mother still want to buy the fish if they knew what had happened to it? Perhaps they wouldn't care, many people don't. In China they boil cats and dogs alive for their fur, which they then sell all around the world. Do people buy them? Of course. But perhaps they wouldn't if they knew what had happened. Therefore the only thing we can do is educate people so they can make informed choices. But whether they make ethical choices is up to them.

Paul

thornbury · 02/04/2007, 09:15 AM

Hi all,

This happened a lot to chicks/ juvenile birds being sold to attract children... and RSPCA has branded them illegal. And according to CNN, RSPCA has looked into these fish and they said nothing wrong with it.

Personally, I don't like these fishes and don't support them. I don't think it's natural, the colors, btw are terrible. But I don't think the "tattooing" process really uses a needle... there's gotta be a way they do without harming these fishes... because I don't think fish can overcome pain like land animals might... esp little fish like mollies which durability is very low...

That said, I don't support it at all... they were beautiful without the tattoos.

reefnetworth · 02/04/2007, 09:22 AM

wheres P.E.T.A.?

thornbury · 02/04/2007, 09:24 AM

Nvm, just read the article SpektralerSpeer gave me... okay so they really do use needles. Poor fish.

SpektralerSpeer · 02/04/2007, 09:46 AM

It's true what you say thornbury, their durability to such a procedure is low, I understand that many of them die during the process. Also, I doubt the die is harmless either, so they probably die from poisoning within a lttle while.

Paul

Navyblue · 02/04/2007, 09:52 AM

The video looks like it is in Thailand. 50 Baht under USD $2, not expensive but not cheap either by their local standard.

I know it's subjective but I think I still prefer my occelaris clown, which is not exactly my best looking fish IMO.

I'm surprised that they didn't have one with a "Nemo" on it.

SeaView · 02/04/2007, 10:08 AM

They do tatoo puppies with ID tags.

I wouldn't buy one but am not that offended by it either. Hoping they use some kind of anesthetic but even so. Maybe a $10.00 fish with a pink heart on it has a better chance of being taken care of by the purchaser than it's unadorned $2.00 counterpart. Unless it dies from infection it may have a better life expectancy than most mollies sold as feeder fish or to cycle new tanks and then discarded.

amike5 · 02/04/2007, 10:08 AM

It's definitely directed at children wanting these fish. When my 4 year old seen a clip on CNN about it, she said "I want that fish with the heart on it!"

Though I don't agree with it, without a law banning such procedures, children will want these fish and we will be seeing them more and more.

virginiadiver69 · 02/04/2007, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by reefnetworth
wheres P.E.T.A.?

There is no money in litigation in this one. P.E.T.A is to busy chasing high profile cases.

fast57 · 02/04/2007, 10:32 AM

they tatooed my ferret in his ear....its 1 dot its a male 2dots its a male

InvaderJim · 02/04/2007, 10:32 AM

I've seen that at one of the LFS here but done with Parrot fish.

2farNorth · 02/04/2007, 10:35 AM

I was going to bring up this subject a while back when I seen some FW fish tattooed with hearts, and 'I Love You' on their side at a LFS. I don't remember what kind they were, but, I do remember the worker at the store being all excited to tell us about them... needless to say, that was the first and only time we were in the store.. that and they didn't sell salt water stuff,, thank goodness!!!

Tang Salad · 02/04/2007, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by fast57
they tatooed my ferret in his ear....its 1 dot its a male 2dots its a male

Interesting system...

Littleg182 · 02/04/2007, 02:31 PM

The last time I was at my LFS they just got a shipment of Heart Tattood Mollies for valentines day. Insane

::PixelFish:: · 02/04/2007, 03:27 PM

Doesn't surprise me that the video is from Thailand. If you've ever been to Chatuchak weekend market in Bangkok you've probably seen some crazy things as far as animals go. The cutest thing I've ever seen is a bunch of tiny little rabbits dressed in sweater vests hopping around. Not so cute though when you take into consideration that it's 90 degrees out with 100% humidity.

Kahuna Tuna · 02/04/2007, 03:59 PM

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The "inventors" should be tied down and injected with this crap, see how they like it.

I couldn't agree more. Disgusting.

dragonforce · 02/04/2007, 04:31 PM

I have numerous tattoos and I can assure you that the needle is not the width of a pencil.

IMO fish have no nerves. I gutted a trout 2 weeks ago about 5 mins after catching it and it was still huffing and puffing for about 10 minutes after I took all his guts out.

02/04/2007, 05:42 AM	#1
thornbury Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 137	tattooed fish Since mollies can be kept in saltwater it's not really off topic but this amazing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsKWu3qPQro It's already been imported to US... and it's legal according to RSPCA.

02/04/2007, 06:39 AM	#2
SpektralerSpeer Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Munich, Germany Posts: 178	Hi thornbury, it's a very cruel and dangerous process, as explained in this article: http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.u...?article_id=72 Imagine being involuntarily injected with dye by a pencil-width needle without an anaesthetic? If someone were doing it to kittens for example, there'd be outrage (and rightfully so). Also, it's only legal to import the fish into the UK, It's illegal to carry out the process in the country. Paul __________________ Tomorrow Shine Current Tank Info: 1,300 l (340 g) reef: lighting 4 × 400 W metal halide; 8 × 56 W T5; flow 20,000 l/h + Tunze Wavebox; temp. 26 deg. C; den. 1.0240; pH 8.15; alk. 10 dKH; Ca 410 mg/l; Mg 1,300 mg/l

02/04/2007, 06:56 AM	#4
SpektralerSpeer Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Munich, Germany Posts: 178	Hi hulley, I don't really think it's a matter of 'like' or 'don't like', it's a matter of empathy. I don't like baboons much but I would hate for them to be needlessly tortured like this. Cruelty is cruelty whatever the animal - imagine if it were you! Paul __________________ Tomorrow Shine Current Tank Info: 1,300 l (340 g) reef: lighting 4 × 400 W metal halide; 8 × 56 W T5; flow 20,000 l/h + Tunze Wavebox; temp. 26 deg. C; den. 1.0240; pH 8.15; alk. 10 dKH; Ca 410 mg/l; Mg 1,300 mg/l

02/04/2007, 08:46 AM	#9
SpektralerSpeer Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Munich, Germany Posts: 178	Very true aaron112977, but would the little girl and her mother still want to buy the fish if they knew what had happened to it? Perhaps they wouldn't care, many people don't. In China they boil cats and dogs alive for their fur, which they then sell all around the world. Do people buy them? Of course. But perhaps they wouldn't if they knew what had happened. Therefore the only thing we can do is educate people so they can make informed choices. But whether they make ethical choices is up to them. Paul __________________ Tomorrow Shine Current Tank Info: 1,300 l (340 g) reef: lighting 4 × 400 W metal halide; 8 × 56 W T5; flow 20,000 l/h + Tunze Wavebox; temp. 26 deg. C; den. 1.0240; pH 8.15; alk. 10 dKH; Ca 410 mg/l; Mg 1,300 mg/l

02/04/2007, 09:22 AM	#11
reefnetworth Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 3,810	wheres P.E.T.A.? __________________ GIVE A MAN A FISH, YOU FEED HIM FOR A DAY. TEACH A MAN TO FISH, HE FEEDS HIMSELF FOR LIFE. (NEVER, underestimate another man's greed) Current Tank Info: SPS dominated barebottom display with BB sump since 2005, most consistant parameters in 19+ years of reefkeeping.

02/04/2007, 06:43 AM	#3
hulley Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: In front of my computor. Posts: 592	I dont like cats, so I wouldn't be too outraged, puppies however....

02/04/2007, 07:04 AM	#5
hulley Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: In front of my computor. Posts: 592	That was my poor attempt at being funny. I'm not a fan at hurting any animals. I really dont like cats, but I dont want harm done to them! or any animal for that matter.

02/04/2007, 07:22 AM	#6
ReeferAl Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Fond du Lac, WI Posts: 2,040	Tattooed fish- that really is disturbed. The next thing you know they'll have fish with body piercings. Allen

02/04/2007, 07:26 AM	#7
d4a2n0k Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,485	The "inventors" should be tied down and injected with this crap, see how they like it.

02/04/2007, 08:23 AM	#8
aaron112977 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: lexington, KY Posts: 74	When a little 5 year old girl goes to the pet shop with her mom this sort of thing catches her eye and she says"mommy mommy i want this one" and then the pet shop owners and the people tattooing are all making MONEY which is what runs every thing in this world we live in. its cruel but as long as it is selling their not going to stop.

02/04/2007, 09:15 AM	#10
thornbury Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 137	Hi all, This happened a lot to chicks/ juvenile birds being sold to attract children... and RSPCA has branded them illegal. And according to CNN, RSPCA has looked into these fish and they said nothing wrong with it. Personally, I don't like these fishes and don't support them. I don't think it's natural, the colors, btw are terrible. But I don't think the "tattooing" process really uses a needle... there's gotta be a way they do without harming these fishes... because I don't think fish can overcome pain like land animals might... esp little fish like mollies which durability is very low... That said, I don't support it at all... they were beautiful without the tattoos.

02/04/2007, 09:24 AM	#12
thornbury Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 137	Nvm, just read the article SpektralerSpeer gave me... okay so they really do use needles. Poor fish.

02/04/2007, 09:46 AM	#13
SpektralerSpeer Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Munich, Germany Posts: 178	It's true what you say thornbury, their durability to such a procedure is low, I understand that many of them die during the process. Also, I doubt the die is harmless either, so they probably die from poisoning within a lttle while. Paul __________________ Tomorrow Shine Current Tank Info: 1,300 l (340 g) reef: lighting 4 × 400 W metal halide; 8 × 56 W T5; flow 20,000 l/h + Tunze Wavebox; temp. 26 deg. C; den. 1.0240; pH 8.15; alk. 10 dKH; Ca 410 mg/l; Mg 1,300 mg/l

02/04/2007, 09:52 AM	#14
Navyblue Low maintenance first Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2,790	The video looks like it is in Thailand. 50 Baht under USD $2, not expensive but not cheap either by their local standard. I know it's subjective but I think I still prefer my occelaris clown, which is not exactly my best looking fish IMO. I'm surprised that they didn't have one with a "Nemo" on it.

02/04/2007, 10:08 AM	#15
SeaView Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: LI/NY Posts: 586	They do tatoo puppies with ID tags. I wouldn't buy one but am not that offended by it either. Hoping they use some kind of anesthetic but even so. Maybe a $10.00 fish with a pink heart on it has a better chance of being taken care of by the purchaser than it's unadorned $2.00 counterpart. Unless it dies from infection it may have a better life expectancy than most mollies sold as feeder fish or to cycle new tanks and then discarded.

02/04/2007, 10:08 AM	#16
amike5 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Englewood, CO Posts: 724	It's definitely directed at children wanting these fish. When my 4 year old seen a clip on CNN about it, she said "I want that fish with the heart on it!" Though I don't agree with it, without a law banning such procedures, children will want these fish and we will be seeing them more and more.

02/04/2007, 10:32 AM	#18
fast57 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: southside of chicago Posts: 667	they tatooed my ferret in his ear....its 1 dot its a male 2dots its a male

02/04/2007, 10:32 AM	#19
InvaderJim Coral Junkie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Gainesville, FL Posts: 1,163	I've seen that at one of the LFS here but done with Parrot fish.

02/04/2007, 10:35 AM	#20
2farNorth Moved On Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Upper Peninsula, Michigan Posts: 929	I was going to bring up this subject a while back when I seen some FW fish tattooed with hearts, and 'I Love You' on their side at a LFS. I don't remember what kind they were, but, I do remember the worker at the store being all excited to tell us about them... needless to say, that was the first and only time we were in the store.. that and they didn't sell salt water stuff,, thank goodness!!!

02/04/2007, 02:31 PM	#22
Littleg182 Registered Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: FL Posts: 126	The last time I was at my LFS they just got a shipment of Heart Tattood Mollies for valentines day. Insane __________________ 90 Reef 3x20 Gallon holding/breeding/frag system 2.5 Gallon Other Various tanks Koi Pond and Aquarium Set-up and Maintenance

02/04/2007, 03:27 PM	#23
::PixelFish:: Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 336	Doesn't surprise me that the video is from Thailand. If you've ever been to Chatuchak weekend market in Bangkok you've probably seen some crazy things as far as animals go. The cutest thing I've ever seen is a bunch of tiny little rabbits dressed in sweater vests hopping around. Not so cute though when you take into consideration that it's 90 degrees out with 100% humidity.

02/04/2007, 04:31 PM	#25
dragonforce Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Laguna Niguel, 92677 Posts: 587	I have numerous tattoos and I can assure you that the needle is not the width of a pencil. IMO fish have no nerves. I gutted a trout 2 weeks ago about 5 mins after catching it and it was still huffing and puffing for about 10 minutes after I took all his guts out.