Snails Dying?

InvaderJim · 02/13/2007, 11:02 PM

I lost one of my Cat-eye snails a few days ago, and I just went and checked out my tank a few minutes ago to find one of my astrea snails being eaten by hermits. I moved him earlier today, and didn't notice he it was alive or not. Thats 2 snails this week. I tested the water just yesterday.

Ammonia: 0
Nitrates: 0
Nitrites: 0
Salinity 1.026
Temp 78-79F

Anyone have any ideas of what could be going on. Both of the snails have been in my tank for over 2 months.

bertoni · 02/13/2007, 11:16 PM

Are they some type of Turbo snail? How many are in the tank?

Hermits are known to eat snails, so that could be the problem. How many hermit crabs are there?

InvaderJim · 02/13/2007, 11:19 PM

Yes, the Cat-Eyes are a type of turbo. That one randomly died, and today an Astrea randomly died. I'm almost positive the snail was dead before the hermit started eating it.

There were 9 hermits in there, I'm no sure how many are left.

bertoni · 02/14/2007, 12:15 AM

In which tank? The 90g? How many snails were there at the start?

InvaderJim · 02/14/2007, 12:16 AM

No the 10g. There were 3 Cat-eyes, and I believe 6 astreas.

bertoni · 02/14/2007, 12:33 AM

I'd guess starvation. 9 hermit crabs would get pretty hungry in a 10g tank, in my experience. Same for that many snails. They could also be inappropriate species, or been damaged in shipment.

InvaderJim · 02/14/2007, 12:42 AM

I'm pretty sure there aren't 9 hermits left. I think a few have eaten each other. Why would the snails be starving? There is plenty of algae on the glass and such to eat.

The snails have been in there for over two months, and were at the LFS for who knows how long before that. I don't think shipping has any part in it.

bertoni · 02/14/2007, 12:46 AM

The snails might not be able or willing to eat the algae on the glass. Every snail has a different diet. On the other hand, the hermit crabs might just be hungry. Either way, food issues seem to be the most likely cause.

InvaderJim · 02/14/2007, 01:01 AM

hmm...Any suggestions as to what I can do?

zoiescout · 02/14/2007, 06:05 AM

I have astrea snails in my 55 gallon. I buy seaweed sheets at my LFS and attach with a veggie clip. The snails eat it every day and I have not lost any snails.

A sea K · 02/14/2007, 08:21 AM

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Originally posted by InvaderJim
hmm...Any suggestions as to what I can do?

In my not so expert opinion you have too many snails for a 10 gallon tank. I would think 2 or 3 tops, and the hermits will deffinately kill your snails as well.

I added a bunch of blue legs to my 210 to help w/a hair algea problem and they did a number on my snails ( cateyes, astrea, and ceriths). However the snail population in my fuge has suffered no losses to date (astrea, cerith, and nassirius), there are no hermits in my fuge.

I also have several cateyes in a 65gal with out any hermits and have no losses there either.

You must have got the cateyes at Aquatropics. Be very leary of any advice you recieve there.

InvaderJim · 02/14/2007, 10:55 AM

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Originally posted by A sea K
In my not so expert opinion you have too many snails for a 10 gallon tank. I would think 2 or 3 tops, and the hermits will deffinately kill your snails as well.

I added a bunch of blue legs to my 210 to help w/a hair algea problem and they did a number on my snails ( cateyes, astrea, and ceriths). However the snail population in my fuge has suffered no losses to date (astrea, cerith, and nassirius), there are no hermits in my fuge.

I also have several cateyes in a 65gal with out any hermits and have no losses there either.

You must have got the cateyes at Aquatropics. Be very leary of any advice you recieve there.

Thanks for the info. I'll see what I can come up with to solve the problem.

Actually, I got the cateyes from Ocean Exotics. I refuse to buy anything from Aquatropics, much less go in there anymore.

A sea K · 02/14/2007, 02:11 PM

I'm with you 100% on that one. I only go to Aquatropics for emergancy supplies if Ocean Exotics does'nt have what I need.

I'll have to look you up next time Im at Ocean Exotics, It would be nice to meet another RC member who is local to my area. I usually go 1-2 times a week if I can swing it. Ask Paul or Niki to point me out. My name is Chris and I have the little potters on hold till they can get me a small flame angel to go with it.

bertoni · 02/14/2007, 04:33 PM

The nori or algae clip is a fine idea if you want to keep snails, and your snails will eat it. Also, you might be able to add enough food to keep the hermits full enough that they eat fewer snails. On a reef, I think there might be one hermit crab for some number of square yards, in terms of average density, so yours are really packed close together.

InvaderJim · 02/14/2007, 05:14 PM

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Originally posted by A sea K
I'm with you 100% on that one. I only go to Aquatropics for emergancy supplies if Ocean Exotics does'nt have what I need.

I'll have to look you up next time Im at Ocean Exotics, It would be nice to meet another RC member who is local to my area. I usually go 1-2 times a week if I can swing it. Ask Paul or Niki to point me out. My name is Chris and I have the little potters on hold till they can get me a small flame angel to go with it.

Alright I will do that. I talk to Nikki all the time when I go in there, if you ask her about me (Jimmy) she will probably remember me. I go in there with my gf all the time and she brings her Chihuahua. lol I'll probably be making a visit fairly soon.

I didn't know that about hermits in the wild. I will get a algae clip and try that out. Thanks for the help!

A sea K · 02/14/2007, 06:19 PM

I think I might have seen you before. I remember someone w/ a Taco dog(jk). My wife confirms this, recalls the dog was a puppy and the GF had the dog in her jacket.

The Nori thing works well for the hermits also, I tie some to a piece of rock and they find it no time.

I talked to Paul this afternoon and he is expecting my Flame on Friday so I'll probably be over on Fri afternoon to check him out.

Hope to see you there, Chris

InvaderJim · 02/14/2007, 07:02 PM

Yep, that was my GF and her spoiled little puppy. haha That probably means I've seen you in there too then.

I might stop by there Friday if I get a chance. If so I'll probably see you there.

A sea K · 02/14/2007, 08:22 PM

I,ll be looking for you. If its cold out I,ll be the guy in the overalls.

02/13/2007, 11:02 PM	#1
InvaderJim Coral Junkie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Gainesville, FL Posts: 1,163	Snails Dying? I lost one of my Cat-eye snails a few days ago, and I just went and checked out my tank a few minutes ago to find one of my astrea snails being eaten by hermits. I moved him earlier today, and didn't notice he it was alive or not. Thats 2 snails this week. I tested the water just yesterday. Ammonia: 0 Nitrates: 0 Nitrites: 0 Salinity 1.026 Temp 78-79F Anyone have any ideas of what could be going on. Both of the snails have been in my tank for over 2 months.

02/13/2007, 11:16 PM	#2
bertoni RC Mod Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mountain View, CA, USA Posts: 88,616	Are they some type of Turbo snail? How many are in the tank? Hermits are known to eat snails, so that could be the problem. How many hermit crabs are there? __________________ Jonathan Bertoni

02/14/2007, 12:15 AM	#4
bertoni RC Mod Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mountain View, CA, USA Posts: 88,616	In which tank? The 90g? How many snails were there at the start? __________________ Jonathan Bertoni

02/14/2007, 12:33 AM	#6
bertoni RC Mod Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mountain View, CA, USA Posts: 88,616	I'd guess starvation. 9 hermit crabs would get pretty hungry in a 10g tank, in my experience. Same for that many snails. They could also be inappropriate species, or been damaged in shipment. __________________ Jonathan Bertoni

02/14/2007, 12:46 AM	#8
bertoni RC Mod Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mountain View, CA, USA Posts: 88,616	The snails might not be able or willing to eat the algae on the glass. Every snail has a different diet. On the other hand, the hermit crabs might just be hungry. Either way, food issues seem to be the most likely cause. __________________ Jonathan Bertoni

02/13/2007, 11:19 PM	#3
InvaderJim Coral Junkie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Gainesville, FL Posts: 1,163	Yes, the Cat-Eyes are a type of turbo. That one randomly died, and today an Astrea randomly died. I'm almost positive the snail was dead before the hermit started eating it. There were 9 hermits in there, I'm no sure how many are left.

02/14/2007, 12:16 AM	#5
InvaderJim Coral Junkie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Gainesville, FL Posts: 1,163	No the 10g. There were 3 Cat-eyes, and I believe 6 astreas.

02/14/2007, 12:42 AM	#7
InvaderJim Coral Junkie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Gainesville, FL Posts: 1,163	I'm pretty sure there aren't 9 hermits left. I think a few have eaten each other. Why would the snails be starving? There is plenty of algae on the glass and such to eat. The snails have been in there for over two months, and were at the LFS for who knows how long before that. I don't think shipping has any part in it.

02/14/2007, 01:01 AM	#9
InvaderJim Coral Junkie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Gainesville, FL Posts: 1,163	hmm...Any suggestions as to what I can do?

02/14/2007, 06:05 AM	#10
zoiescout Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Holly Springs, NC Posts: 47	I have astrea snails in my 55 gallon. I buy seaweed sheets at my LFS and attach with a veggie clip. The snails eat it every day and I have not lost any snails.

02/14/2007, 02:11 PM	#13
A sea K Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Branford Fl Posts: 3,024	I'm with you 100% on that one. I only go to Aquatropics for emergancy supplies if Ocean Exotics does'nt have what I need. I'll have to look you up next time Im at Ocean Exotics, It would be nice to meet another RC member who is local to my area. I usually go 1-2 times a week if I can swing it. Ask Paul or Niki to point me out. My name is Chris and I have the little potters on hold till they can get me a small flame angel to go with it. __________________ I am not a pro so excuse me if I'm wrong. Current Tank Info: 30gal Deep Blue rimless 9/10/2014, 80gal Deep Blue rimless 40gal sump/refugium 9/11/16 LPS reef, 2 x Kessil A160 with a single Maxspect Razor, RO Prime 150INT skimmer, Sicce 3 return pump, Vortech MP40 and MP10

02/14/2007, 04:33 PM	#14
bertoni RC Mod Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mountain View, CA, USA Posts: 88,616	The nori or algae clip is a fine idea if you want to keep snails, and your snails will eat it. Also, you might be able to add enough food to keep the hermits full enough that they eat fewer snails. On a reef, I think there might be one hermit crab for some number of square yards, in terms of average density, so yours are really packed close together. __________________ Jonathan Bertoni

02/14/2007, 06:19 PM	#16
A sea K Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Branford Fl Posts: 3,024	I think I might have seen you before. I remember someone w/ a Taco dog(jk). My wife confirms this, recalls the dog was a puppy and the GF had the dog in her jacket. The Nori thing works well for the hermits also, I tie some to a piece of rock and they find it no time. I talked to Paul this afternoon and he is expecting my Flame on Friday so I'll probably be over on Fri afternoon to check him out. Hope to see you there, Chris __________________ I am not a pro so excuse me if I'm wrong. Current Tank Info: 30gal Deep Blue rimless 9/10/2014, 80gal Deep Blue rimless 40gal sump/refugium 9/11/16 LPS reef, 2 x Kessil A160 with a single Maxspect Razor, RO Prime 150INT skimmer, Sicce 3 return pump, Vortech MP40 and MP10

02/14/2007, 07:02 PM	#17
InvaderJim Coral Junkie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Gainesville, FL Posts: 1,163	Yep, that was my GF and her spoiled little puppy. haha That probably means I've seen you in there too then. I might stop by there Friday if I get a chance. If so I'll probably see you there.

02/14/2007, 08:22 PM	#18
A sea K Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Branford Fl Posts: 3,024	I,ll be looking for you. If its cold out I,ll be the guy in the overalls. __________________ I am not a pro so excuse me if I'm wrong. Current Tank Info: 30gal Deep Blue rimless 9/10/2014, 80gal Deep Blue rimless 40gal sump/refugium 9/11/16 LPS reef, 2 x Kessil A160 with a single Maxspect Razor, RO Prime 150INT skimmer, Sicce 3 return pump, Vortech MP40 and MP10