Koran angel owners

jim48 · 03/26/2007, 01:30 PM

I'd like to hear from Koran angel owners out there. I've noticed a large contigent of emperor, blue face,majestic, french, but what about Koran. Anybody have any experiences, good or bad? I just purchased a Koran this past weedend and love the color and disposition of this fish.

DamnPepShrimp · 03/26/2007, 03:58 PM

How big is he? They are supposed to be very hardy and one of the most longest lived fish. My brother had one, very small, 2" and he was fine until he added a purple tang. The tang beat him up pretty good and the koran eventually died. But the koran is a very great choice of angels.

jim48 · 03/27/2007, 06:11 AM

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Originally posted by DamnPepShrimp
How big is he? They are supposed to be very hardy and one of the most longest lived fish. My brother had one, very small, 2" and he was fine until he added a purple tang. The tang beat him up pretty good and the koran eventually died. But the koran is a very great choice of angels.

He is about 4.5" and about 2/3 changed over to adult coloration. Has great colors and very interesting fish. Very inquisitive and eating very well.

LisaD · 03/27/2007, 11:34 AM

I have a 4 inch juvenile, starting to change. I got it a few months ago. BTW, it was only $49 from liveaquaria. I was very pleasantly surprised at the size and health for that very affordable price.

I don't see a lot of adult Koran's, or read much about them either, but to my mind, one of the prettiest Pomacanthus, after the emperor. Mine is active, gets along with the LaMarck's (which is actually the bully!) I love it.

I have a lot of sponge in my tank, the Koran has ate most of it and seems to be thriving.

rodd1rj · 03/27/2007, 11:46 AM

I currently have a 4" who is in the begining of changing and suffering from HLLE. Love ths fish, lots of personality, unfortuetly hes all alone in a 110 with only some xenia and palys. Hes very active and the best part is he was free. Also with mine the sponge was eaten pretty quickly. Here's a pic from a month ago

jim48 · 03/27/2007, 11:57 AM

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Originally posted by LisaD
I have a 4 inch juvenile, starting to change. I got it a few months ago. BTW, it was only $49 from liveaquaria. I was very pleasantly surprised at the size and health for that very affordable price.

I don't see a lot of adult Koran's, or read much about them either, but to my mind, one of the prettiest Pomacanthus, after the emperor. Mine is active, gets along with the LaMarck's (which is actually the bully!) I love it.

I have a lot of sponge in my tank, the Koran has ate most of it and seems to be thriving.

So far what I've seen of my koran's adult coloration it is stunning! He is golden/yellow from the head back through the mid body turning into the blue juvenile coloration in the rear portion and tail. He's got real bright irridescent blue on the doral fin and pectoral fins and blue streaks throughout the head region.

Seems like he likes attention and is very personable. He has already eaten formula two pellets, brine shrimp flakes, and algae discs.

jim48 · 03/27/2007, 11:59 AM

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Originally posted by rodd1rj
I currently have a 4" who is in the begining of changing and suffering from HLLE. Love ths fish, lots of personality, unfortuetly hes all alone in a 110 with only some xenia and palys. Hes very active and the best part is he was free. Also with mine the sponge was eaten pretty quickly. Here's a pic from a month ago

Thats what I like so far about mine, lots of personality. I can't wait to see what the full adult coloration will be, I think its going to be great.

jim48 · 03/27/2007, 12:08 PM

I'm glad I got a chance to purchase this koran that has a good portion of adult color. As juveniles its hard to imagine what their adult colors are going to be and sometimes they don't always turn out like the text books say they will.

I was actually going to buy an emperor, but that didn't work out because of a work commitment. Sometimes things work out for the better, as in this case. I think I got a better suited fish for my tank situation and am very happy.

I think I will be trying to acquire a gray angel to go with the koran since both these fish are easier going than some of the other angels and I like the gray.

LisaD · 03/27/2007, 09:14 PM

Mine is going in the 210 along with:

-Magnificent foxface
-Indian trigger (M. indicus, a stunning fish, just got it from Diver's Den at liveaquaria!)
-Brazilian dragon moray
-Pair of LaMarck angels
-Mimic tang
-Australian harlequin tuskfish

eljefe3 · 03/27/2007, 10:14 PM

I've got 3 of them and they are hardy. Two have adult coloration while one is just changing.

jim48 · 03/28/2007, 09:00 AM

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Originally posted by eljefe3
I've got 3 of them and they are hardy. Two have adult coloration while one is just changing.

How is their temperment? Do you have them together with each other or are they seperated into different tanks?

How many gallons are your tanks?

jim48 · 03/28/2007, 09:11 AM

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Originally posted by LisaD
Mine is going in the 210 along with:

-Magnificent foxface
-Indian trigger (M. indicus, a stunning fish, just got it from Diver's Den at liveaquaria!)
-Brazilian dragon moray
-Pair of LaMarck angels
-Mimic tang
-Australian harlequin tuskfish

That is going to be a great mix in that 210. I'm not familiar with the Indian trigger. What does it look like? I would like to add a tang to my tank eventually, but I hear horror stories about angels getting mutilated by tangs gone on the warpath. Would a scopas or a kole tang be ok with a Koran angel?

LisaD · 03/28/2007, 11:08 AM

Thanks! I'm pretty pleased with my list, but I'm also open to suggestions.

The Indian trigger (which I just got yesterday from Diver's Den, liveaquaria) is unlike any I have ever seen. I should have saved the Diver's Den image, it is an excellent shot.

It looks a little like this (not very good) image:
http://filaman.ifm-geomar.de/images/...n_Meind_u1.jpg

The line on the tail is bright fluorescent blue, there are pearly white scribbles on the body, and bright white lines between the body and the anal and dorsal fins. I am a horrible photographer. If anyone saw the image on Diver's Den, it looks exactly like (and is) that fish.

I had a mimic tang for three years with an emperor angel (the tank, except for a moray eel, was wiped out by disease in fall 2005). There were never any problems at all with aggression. In my experience and observations, mimic tangs are not nasty, though they can hold their own and stand up for themselves. They are not the most colorful tangs as adults, but they have really beautiful finnage and IMO gorgeous, subtle hues.

Here is a link to a good image of an adult mimic tang, and a juvenile (Acanthurus pyroferus):
http://filaman.ifm-geomar.de/images/...s/Acpyr_u6.jpg
http://www.aquahobby.com/marine/img/mimic1.jpg

I think most of the Acanthurus are fairly mellow with angels.

joeytroy · 03/28/2007, 11:38 AM

The Koran Angels are great fish with a lot of character!! I've had them all different sizes to a show size!! They can be aggresive or passive you never know what you get! They will eat just about anything from pellets to flake! I've had them with other angels and tangs and never had any problems! As far as the indian trigger it is black with white trimmings in the tails and a little yellow/green on top! beautiful fish!! I currently have an emperator/Chrysurus/passer angels with a West African Trigger!

LisaD · 03/28/2007, 11:44 AM

I'm jealous of your big tanks!

jim48 · 03/28/2007, 12:17 PM

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Originally posted by joeytroy
The Koran Angels are great fish with a lot of character!! I've had them all different sizes to a show size!! They can be aggresive or passive you never know what you get! They will eat just about anything from pellets to flake! I've had them with other angels and tangs and never had any problems! As far as the indian trigger it is black with white trimmings in the tails and a little yellow/green on top! beautiful fish!! I currently have an emperator/Chrysurus/passer angels with a West African Trigger!

What does the west african tigger look like? Man, you can keep just about anything you want with tanks that size.

jim48 · 03/28/2007, 12:24 PM

By the colors of that photo of a mimic tang I'd say that its a quite an attractive fish and will definately consider one for my tank. Did the info on the Indian trigger mention the temperment of these fish? Looks like very striking colors.

LisaD · 03/28/2007, 09:03 PM

Not only are mimic tangs good looking, they are really nice fish. Definitely my favorite tang, and not one you see all that often (and moderately price and size too).

As to my "Indian triggerfish" or whatever it is, the colors on THIS ONE are amazing, though I have not found many images online that are similar for the species (M. indicus).

All I could find on temperament was that wetwebmedia said it was a good specimen for a fish only tank. It is in the same genus as the pink tail trigger and the black durgon - but it stays a few inches smaller. Those two are relatively mellow, and I assume the Indian trigger is similar in temperament. My experience after a day is that it is an assertive, but not aggressive fish - say less shy than some blue throats, but less aggressive than picassos and nigers.

Just don't get between it and its food. It is a voracious eater, as is the new eel. They were tussling it out over some frozen shrimp. One or both of them discovered the dozen or so long-term, saltwater acclimated ghost shrimp that were in the tank - they seem to be gone now.

The trigger is hanging out with my magnificent foxface, but isn't attacking or harassing it. They are just close to each other all day... Not sure what that means. The foxface is displaying some, raising its fins, but no one is nipping or chasing.

daddyyankee · 03/29/2007, 05:42 PM

I have had one for about 2 mnths. I love it. He is about 4 in. and very active. I have noticed it likes to lay on side. He definitly likes to hide, but I dont know if the sidways thing is normal

IwannaClarion · 03/30/2007, 02:23 AM

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[i] I would like to add a tang to my tank eventually, but I hear horror stories about angels getting mutilated by tangs gone on the warpath. Would a scopas or a kole tang be ok with a Koran angel? [/B]

ive witnessed this first hand. had a passer angel which is supposed to be THE most aggressive angelfish. it was absolutely mauled by a power blue tang which i added to the tank after the passer

ive had quite a few angels and tangs, and id have to say in my experience tangs are the more aggressive fish

jim48 · 03/30/2007, 09:08 AM

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Originally posted by IwannaClarion
ive witnessed this first hand. had a passer angel which is supposed to be THE most aggressive angelfish. it was absolutely mauled by a power blue tang which i added to the tank after the passer

ive had quite a few angels and tangs, and id have to say in my experience tangs are the more aggressive fish

How large were your angels when you added the tangs? I basically was thinking if algae control with the tangs, but I don't want to the angels to get beat up on by a tang. Does size of the combatants matter or is it just that angels and tangs don't get along in an aquarium?

IwannaClarion · 03/31/2007, 07:43 AM

first combo was a passer angel and a powder blue tang. both were about 3.5"

ive also had a 6" maculosus angel with a 4" purple tang in the same tank for almost a half year now. the purple runs that tank too

both of the tangs i had were supposed to be very aggressive. maybe get a more docile species and youll be fine?

jim48 · 04/02/2007, 07:01 AM

Just an update: The Koran angel and maroon clown went from quarantine tank to display tank this weekend. Everything ok to this point.

The maroon hangs out near the suface but swims everywhere. The Koran hides and comes out of hiding just to take a look around and check me out. He reminds me of when I would move freshwater cichlids from one tank to another, they would get so hurt. Like little kids with their feelings being hurt. I'm sure he will get over that in a little while. They both are feeding very well. I'm pleased so far.

daddyyankee · 04/08/2007, 05:19 PM

OMG I am going to flush my yellow tang down the toilet. He has almost completly bitten the korans entire right fin. I did take the yellow tang out (did not flush him lol, but felt like it) Does anyone know if the korans fins will grow back.

p.s. The nimrod at the fish store told me the yellow tnag would never do that. Yeah right.

jim48 · 04/09/2007, 06:13 AM

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Originally posted by daddyyankee
OMG I am going to flush my yellow tang down the toilet. He has almost completly bitten the korans entire right fin. I did take the yellow tang out (did not flush him lol, but felt like it) Does anyone know if the korans fins will grow back.

p.s. The nimrod at the fish store told me the yellow tnag would never do that. Yeah right.

Yes, the fin should grow back. Keep an eye on the affected fin or fins for bacterial infection until it starts to heal.

03/26/2007, 01:30 PM	#1
jim48 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Williamstown, Pa. Posts: 293	Koran angel owners I'd like to hear from Koran angel owners out there. I've noticed a large contigent of emperor, blue face,majestic, french, but what about Koran. Anybody have any experiences, good or bad? I just purchased a Koran this past weedend and love the color and disposition of this fish.

03/27/2007, 11:34 AM	#4
LisaD That's not a salmon Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: central North Carolina Posts: 6,986	I have a 4 inch juvenile, starting to change. I got it a few months ago. BTW, it was only $49 from liveaquaria. I was very pleasantly surprised at the size and health for that very affordable price. I don't see a lot of adult Koran's, or read much about them either, but to my mind, one of the prettiest Pomacanthus, after the emperor. Mine is active, gets along with the LaMarck's (which is actually the bully!) I love it. I have a lot of sponge in my tank, the Koran has ate most of it and seems to be thriving. __________________ Keeping saltwater tanks since the late '70s Current Tank Info: tankless at the moment

03/27/2007, 11:46 AM	#5
rodd1rj Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Mt. Pleasant, MI Posts: 224	I currently have a 4" who is in the begining of changing and suffering from HLLE. Love ths fish, lots of personality, unfortuetly hes all alone in a 110 with only some xenia and palys. Hes very active and the best part is he was free. Also with mine the sponge was eaten pretty quickly. Here's a pic from a month ago __________________ Ryan.... Go wings.... Fire up Chips Current Tank Info: 110 gallon reef, SPS, LPS, and Softies

03/27/2007, 09:14 PM	#9
LisaD That's not a salmon Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: central North Carolina Posts: 6,986	Mine is going in the 210 along with: -Magnificent foxface -Indian trigger (M. indicus, a stunning fish, just got it from Diver's Den at liveaquaria!) -Brazilian dragon moray -Pair of LaMarck angels -Mimic tang -Australian harlequin tuskfish __________________ Keeping saltwater tanks since the late '70s Current Tank Info: tankless at the moment

03/28/2007, 11:08 AM	#13
LisaD That's not a salmon Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: central North Carolina Posts: 6,986	Thanks! I'm pretty pleased with my list, but I'm also open to suggestions. The Indian trigger (which I just got yesterday from Diver's Den, liveaquaria) is unlike any I have ever seen. I should have saved the Diver's Den image, it is an excellent shot. It looks a little like this (not very good) image: http://filaman.ifm-geomar.de/images/...n_Meind_u1.jpg The line on the tail is bright fluorescent blue, there are pearly white scribbles on the body, and bright white lines between the body and the anal and dorsal fins. I am a horrible photographer. If anyone saw the image on Diver's Den, it looks exactly like (and is) that fish. I had a mimic tang for three years with an emperor angel (the tank, except for a moray eel, was wiped out by disease in fall 2005). There were never any problems at all with aggression. In my experience and observations, mimic tangs are not nasty, though they can hold their own and stand up for themselves. They are not the most colorful tangs as adults, but they have really beautiful finnage and IMO gorgeous, subtle hues. Here is a link to a good image of an adult mimic tang, and a juvenile (Acanthurus pyroferus): http://filaman.ifm-geomar.de/images/...s/Acpyr_u6.jpg http://www.aquahobby.com/marine/img/mimic1.jpg I think most of the Acanthurus are fairly mellow with angels. __________________ Keeping saltwater tanks since the late '70s Current Tank Info: tankless at the moment Last edited by LisaD; 03/28/2007 at 11:43 AM.

03/26/2007, 03:58 PM	#2
DamnPepShrimp Moved On Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Delaware Posts: 5,152	How big is he? They are supposed to be very hardy and one of the most longest lived fish. My brother had one, very small, 2" and he was fine until he added a purple tang. The tang beat him up pretty good and the koran eventually died. But the koran is a very great choice of angels.

03/27/2007, 12:08 PM	#8
jim48 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Williamstown, Pa. Posts: 293	I'm glad I got a chance to purchase this koran that has a good portion of adult color. As juveniles its hard to imagine what their adult colors are going to be and sometimes they don't always turn out like the text books say they will. I was actually going to buy an emperor, but that didn't work out because of a work commitment. Sometimes things work out for the better, as in this case. I think I got a better suited fish for my tank situation and am very happy. I think I will be trying to acquire a gray angel to go with the koran since both these fish are easier going than some of the other angels and I like the gray.

03/27/2007, 10:14 PM	#10
eljefe3 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Asia Posts: 202	I've got 3 of them and they are hardy. Two have adult coloration while one is just changing.

03/28/2007, 11:38 AM	#14
joeytroy Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Corona, California Posts: 5	The Koran Angels are great fish with a lot of character!! I've had them all different sizes to a show size!! They can be aggresive or passive you never know what you get! They will eat just about anything from pellets to flake! I've had them with other angels and tangs and never had any problems! As far as the indian trigger it is black with white trimmings in the tails and a little yellow/green on top! beautiful fish!! I currently have an emperator/Chrysurus/passer angels with a West African Trigger!

03/28/2007, 11:44 AM	#15
LisaD That's not a salmon Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: central North Carolina Posts: 6,986	I'm jealous of your big tanks! __________________ Keeping saltwater tanks since the late '70s Current Tank Info: tankless at the moment

03/28/2007, 12:24 PM	#17
jim48 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Williamstown, Pa. Posts: 293	By the colors of that photo of a mimic tang I'd say that its a quite an attractive fish and will definately consider one for my tank. Did the info on the Indian trigger mention the temperment of these fish? Looks like very striking colors.

03/28/2007, 09:03 PM	#18
LisaD That's not a salmon Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: central North Carolina Posts: 6,986	Not only are mimic tangs good looking, they are really nice fish. Definitely my favorite tang, and not one you see all that often (and moderately price and size too). As to my "Indian triggerfish" or whatever it is, the colors on THIS ONE are amazing, though I have not found many images online that are similar for the species (M. indicus). All I could find on temperament was that wetwebmedia said it was a good specimen for a fish only tank. It is in the same genus as the pink tail trigger and the black durgon - but it stays a few inches smaller. Those two are relatively mellow, and I assume the Indian trigger is similar in temperament. My experience after a day is that it is an assertive, but not aggressive fish - say less shy than some blue throats, but less aggressive than picassos and nigers. Just don't get between it and its food. It is a voracious eater, as is the new eel. They were tussling it out over some frozen shrimp. One or both of them discovered the dozen or so long-term, saltwater acclimated ghost shrimp that were in the tank - they seem to be gone now. The trigger is hanging out with my magnificent foxface, but isn't attacking or harassing it. They are just close to each other all day... Not sure what that means. The foxface is displaying some, raising its fins, but no one is nipping or chasing. __________________ Keeping saltwater tanks since the late '70s Current Tank Info: tankless at the moment Last edited by LisaD; 03/28/2007 at 09:09 PM.

03/29/2007, 05:42 PM	#19
daddyyankee Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 40	Question about Korans I have had one for about 2 mnths. I love it. He is about 4 in. and very active. I have noticed it likes to lay on side. He definitly likes to hide, but I dont know if the sidways thing is normal

03/31/2007, 07:43 AM	#22
IwannaClarion Moved On Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Newark, DE Posts: 77	first combo was a passer angel and a powder blue tang. both were about 3.5" ive also had a 6" maculosus angel with a 4" purple tang in the same tank for almost a half year now. the purple runs that tank too both of the tangs i had were supposed to be very aggressive. maybe get a more docile species and youll be fine?

04/02/2007, 07:01 AM	#23
jim48 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Williamstown, Pa. Posts: 293	Just an update: The Koran angel and maroon clown went from quarantine tank to display tank this weekend. Everything ok to this point. The maroon hangs out near the suface but swims everywhere. The Koran hides and comes out of hiding just to take a look around and check me out. He reminds me of when I would move freshwater cichlids from one tank to another, they would get so hurt. Like little kids with their feelings being hurt. I'm sure he will get over that in a little while. They both are feeding very well. I'm pleased so far.

04/08/2007, 05:19 PM	#24
daddyyankee Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 40	koran and yellow tang OMG I am going to flush my yellow tang down the toilet. He has almost completly bitten the korans entire right fin. I did take the yellow tang out (did not flush him lol, but felt like it) Does anyone know if the korans fins will grow back. p.s. The nimrod at the fish store told me the yellow tnag would never do that. Yeah right.