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Unread 03/30/2007, 09:23 PM   #1
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Octo come out of hiding?

I have a small octo that I pickup snorkeling in Key Biscayne in Florida, theres no blue rings and the 1" little creature is hiding for 3 weeks now. Theres no fish in the tank I have him. I have 2 questions. First, and most important can he be a blue ring in Florida?, how can i find out? and second what can i do to have him come out of hiding? I also posted this question in cephalopods but it seems theres not much going on in that forum.


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Unread 03/30/2007, 09:25 PM   #2
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Illegally collected?


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Unread 03/30/2007, 09:29 PM   #3
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sure he didn't escape?


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yeah is there any octopus jerky around?


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Unread 03/30/2007, 09:52 PM   #5
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cheeeeee are you the forum police? Legally of course.


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Unread 03/30/2007, 09:59 PM   #6
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I had an octo once... used to come clear out of the tank to take shrimp. could squeeze through the tiniest hole.


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Unread 03/30/2007, 10:10 PM   #7
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No not legally. Im just wondering why someone would take an animal out of the ocean to put in there aquarium and EXPECT it to live. Hope it turns up sometime.


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Unread 03/30/2007, 10:16 PM   #8
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No not legally. Im just wondering why someone would take an animal out of the ocean to put in there aquarium and EXPECT it to live. Hope it turns up sometime.
Very good question shannahan, just so that you know most of the fishes in the FLS are wild caught using either a net or cyanide, or a trap. Next time you by fish ask them, maybe some clown fish are bread in aquariums


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Unread 03/30/2007, 11:03 PM   #9
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Maybe try to leave a shrimp or some other natural food for it out in the open, or near where you think it might be, and see if it comes out to eat it or at least if the food disappears when you're not looking then it's possibly still there.

Is the tank completely closed at the top with some weight on top to keep it shut? How is the tank covered?

Thats just my advice, no clue on how to identify, no experience with octos yet.

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Unread 03/30/2007, 11:17 PM   #10
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octopus are very very shy creatures.. i worked at a zoo and they had an octopus in quaretine bc he would hide from everyone but when he would get used to someone he would at least come out to feed when they fed him. so it might take a while. try some live food, he mite be interested, they are very intelligent.


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Unread 03/31/2007, 12:21 AM   #11
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Very good question shannahan, just so that you know most of the fishes in the FLS are wild caught using either a net or cyanide, or a trap. Next time you by fish ask them, maybe some clown fish are bread in aquariums

Isn't cyanide illegal practice all over the world because the leftover covers and kills reefs? I think so.And you can't just take living things out of an environment thats also illegal.


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Unread 03/31/2007, 01:05 AM   #12
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Hi O,
Just thought you might enjoy reading this link about blue rings...

http://www.earlham.edu/~sheedjo/blue-ringedoctopus.htm

Good luck with your octo, hope he comes out and shows himself!!!


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Unread 03/31/2007, 01:21 AM   #13
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I think so. And you can't just take living things out of an environment thats also illegal.
Thanks, that was my point the entire time. That plus poor effort taken to research care for it before removing it from the ocean.


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Unread 03/31/2007, 01:52 AM   #14
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I don't know why these people are just assuming the octopus was taken Illegally. It is true that all species but one are protected in FL, but the one that is allowed is the Common Octopus, which is the one a person would most likely come across.
Odds are this is what you have, and in which case nothing states you cant take one for the aquarium. Harvesting or collecting them for sale would require a permit but I don't think that this is the case here.
I don't know if people think that Key Biscayne is part of the Fl Keys and thus part of the Florida Keys National Marine Sanctuary, but if they do they need a map.
Either way people should get the facts before accusing someone of doing something illegal.
Also some people on here are acting like this is the 1st time an animal has been taken from the wild and put in a tank.They should check the history of every fish they have ever purchased and see just how many were captive raised.
Lastly, I'm pretty sure the trip from the beach to your house was far less stressful than the ones the animals at the lfs have to make captive bred or not.


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Unread 03/31/2007, 02:17 AM   #15
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No not legally. Im just wondering why someone would take an animal out of the ocean to put in there aquarium and EXPECT it to live. Hope it turns up sometime.
thats just funny, yet he own's an aquarium with fish and maybe corals in it and he is asking why ppl take stuff from the ocean and expect it to live in a home tank? do you not expect your stuff to live?


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Unread 03/31/2007, 03:36 AM   #16
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You are obviously missing what i am saying. I do not pull things directly out of the ocean and put it into my tank. I get it from a source that likely LEGALLY collected the animal and has already fully acclimated it to an aquarium eviornment. I am done with it now.


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Unread 03/31/2007, 09:11 AM   #17
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Blue Ring Octo's are from Australia. They are about the size of a golf ball. Ask all Octo's are escape artist, let alone nocturnal.


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Unread 03/31/2007, 10:10 AM   #18
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Speaking from experience, cephlopods are difficult at best to keep when not prepared to do so. They are one of the smartest animals in the ocean. The first and most important issue is a sealed top. They can and will fit through anything that is big enough for the beak to fit through. In you case, about the size of a dime or smaller. Secound, you must be prepared to do a mass water change. If they ink and you can't get them out of it, they are done. Third, the aquarium should be kept in a quite area free of noise and foot trafic. IE no radios, tv's, talking etc.... They will get used to you but it takes time. Fourth, they need mental stimulation. They love toys. Mine used to take apart lego blocks and put them back together. They love different colors and are masters at camouflage. We also played the crab in plastic bubble. The kind you get out of a quarter vending machine with childrens toys in it. It only took him about a half hour to get it apart and about an hour and a half to get it back together. Fifth, they have a short life span (as short as six months) in the first place and have no way of telling the age of yours. The octopods are not for the novice but try to keep your params perfect and he might have a chance. Last, filtration, filtration, filtration. tonmo.com is an excellent resource for cephs. Good luck


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Unread 03/31/2007, 10:11 PM   #19
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I hope you get to see yours play with toys. That is incredible.


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Unread 03/31/2007, 10:41 PM   #20
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What kind of lighting do you use? They don't like bright lights. I would use some really low light during the day and moonlights or actinics at night so you have a better chance of observing some normal behavior. That's the best time to feed too. They love crabs and silversides. Nothing is safe in the same tank so make sure to keep it alone.


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Oh, I don't think I made my post very clear- my octopus never ate dead food- only live, I mainly used hermit crabs. It's also worth mentioning that sometimes, after they eat they excrete a lot of urine which can cause serious ammonia spikes. I would check the ammonia after feeding and change as needed- they like their water spuer clean and super oxygenated.


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Unread 03/31/2007, 11:55 PM   #22
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also, they will eat anything (living) you put in the tank. mantis shrimp do not stand a chance


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