Sebastian and Florida Coast Marine Life

seth16 · 04/17/2007, 11:01 AM

OK, i know that I and alot of other people take trips to the coast to collect (legally), and i m7self have caught some weird things that iDK what they are. I have done some research on them and found nothing. I am looking for people who found something, and know what it is, and know where a pic is of it, so that others can learn. I have several kinds of crabs, some resembling emerald crabs, some more like fiddlers, but then have hairs like gorilla crabs, then just fiddlers. I have fo9und anemones that are not flower anemones, but are pruple-ish with a red foot and it is beaded(beaded anemone...???)...i have found flower ROck anemones and knwo that they are flower rock anemones...lol, but well, you get what i mean, post pics of things you ahve caught, or found, or have, and witht he name and all, or post sites that have the species of these things. It wil help us leanr what they are, and then maybe, if somsone finds something they cant take, they will know it.

seth16 · 04/17/2007, 11:04 AM

here is the anemone that i am talking about.....

lusenut2 · 04/17/2007, 11:09 AM

Not to change the subject but I lost track on the whole ordeal you went through. Are your parents making you sell your tanks?

seth16 · 04/17/2007, 11:16 AM

No, not all of them, i get to kep my 75 and my 5.5.....im lucky, and im grounded from everything until the end of april...

chrisstie · 04/17/2007, 02:03 PM

Just out of curiosity what kind of a setup do you keep your fiddlers in since they are semi-terrestrial?

When I lived back on the island it was the most curious thing to see at low tide-ALL of the fiddlers would come out of their holes to eat and pick at stuff left in the sand from the tide going out and you'd literally see THOUSANDS in a huge colony all along the shoreline. If you got near them though, PEW down into their holes they'd shoot.

My dog used to like to chase them until she found out what the big claw was for

pixiegirlie · 04/17/2007, 04:05 PM

just ask sytanik about some of the stuff we found - we researched alot of it - there is no way i am posting pics on this site again about what we found - so just ask him

Pacific Reefs · 04/17/2007, 04:31 PM

How do you know its legal to take these things if you dont know what they are?

cowboyswife · 04/17/2007, 04:44 PM

http://myfwc.com/marine/recreational/recharvestmls.htm

Sea anemones - Any species of the Orders Actinaria, Zoanthidea, Corallimorpharia, and Ceriantharia.

Order Actiniaria: Include solitary species, with large polyps, sedentary: the basal disc, sucker shaped, allows adhaesion to the bottom but small movements are possible. Many species with zooxanthellae.

Order Zoanthidea: includes small colonial anemones: the zooids are connected among them, in large colonies. Many species bear zooxanthellae. Some produce and accumulate powerful toxins in their internal organs.

Order Corallimorpharia: includes flad bodied anemones, with a large oral disc and a short column body, short tentacles. Some solitary species, most are colonial but the zooids originated by asexual reproduction lose connection. Many species are zooxanthellae bearers. Being very similar (but without skeleton) some species are considered an intermediate between anemones and hard corals.

Order Ceriantharia: includes solitary anemones living in a self produced membranous tube, normally in the sediment.

So we have anemones, zoo's, mushrooms, and tube anemones.

sytanek · 04/17/2007, 04:47 PM

http://www.edge-of-reef.com/anemoni/Anemonien.htm

Figured I'd post a page with pictures in case anyone was interested.

seth16 · 04/17/2007, 04:50 PM

Beca, you have zoos mushrooms and tube anems that you got off the coast?!?

hexedagain · 04/17/2007, 04:52 PM

Didn't someone say they had found zoanthids at Sebastian? Or somewhere close?
You don't have to answer here, just PM me the answer.

sytanek · 04/17/2007, 04:53 PM

As for crabs only the following have any restriction. Fiddler crabs, gorilla crabs, etc, all have no restrictions. Although neither are ideal for a reef tank, so not sure why one would take them.

Yellowline arrow crab - Stenorhynchus seticornis.
Furcate spider or decorator crab - Stenocionops furcatus.
Blue-legged or tricolor hermit crab - Clibanarius tricolor.
Thinstripe hermit crab - Clibanarius vittatus.
Polkadotted hermit crab - Phimochirus operculatus.
Spotted porcelain crab - Porcellana sayana.
Nimble spray or urchin crab - Percnon gibbesi.
False arrow crab - Metoporhaphis calcarata.

sytanek · 04/17/2007, 04:56 PM

BTW, that was my post forgot to change names. We have not found all of those things, just what you are allowed to take. Was posting just to spread info about what is legal.

seth16 · 04/17/2007, 05:15 PM

well, my crabs i watch VERY closely, and they only come out at night and clean the sand, they dont even venture up the rocks, like, nto at all. I have some anemones and some zoos i there now, and thye are fine. They are GREAT for cleanup crew, i love the little guys...

Pacific Reefs · 04/17/2007, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sytanek
BTW, that was my post forgot to change names. We have not found all of those things, just what you are allowed to take. Was posting just to spread info about what is legal.

Cool thanks!

chrisstie · 04/17/2007, 05:55 PM

Seth do you mean you keep the fiddlers submerged all the time? What do they do for air? Or do you have a ramp that they can crawl up?

seth16 · 04/17/2007, 06:55 PM

they crawl up my UV tube and sit, so hey, i never thougt of it, do they need air? i mean, they cannot be fully submersed?

I have had some in my nano for weeks without any wat to get up, and they are still alive, but to be a fiddler crab, so they have to have one claw bigger than the other, because none of mine had that, they all were of the same size and i found them all under neatht eh water under rocks as opposed to the ones i couldnt catch on the rocks above...???

chrisstie · 04/17/2007, 07:02 PM

Do you have a pic of this kind of crab? The fiddler crabs that live in holes in the sand do need air.. but if you found these in the water i'm wondering what they are

sytanek · 04/17/2007, 07:06 PM

pm me a pic, i'll let you know what it is..lol

sytanek · 04/17/2007, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pacific Reefs
Cool thanks!

No problem! I think going collecting is a lot of fun, but have learned lots doing it myself, and just like to share information about the rules of doing it, what I have done to qt the stuff, and what kinds of things you can find and see while doing it.

Brannon

seth16 · 04/17/2007, 07:14 PM

i will try and get some pics tonight, and i will pm them to you guys

chrisstie · 04/17/2007, 07:20 PM

Ok cool.

just for reference heres some pics of fiddler crabs. toward the bottom you may note they dont always always have the big claws but these are the ones that im most familiar with and know these need air. if yours is a different species it may not be a fiddler at all?

Click here for crabs

seth16 · 04/17/2007, 07:29 PM

Oh, well, most of what i caught were NOT fiddlers then, but i know a couple were.....uh oh, well, i hope they figure out that they can get up to the surface by the tubing and also i just jury0rigged a floating platform with PVC and gripped tape that hangs to the bottom....lol

RicksReefs · 04/17/2007, 09:28 PM

http://www.sms.si.edu/IRLFieldGuide/index.htm

seth16 · 04/17/2007, 10:07 PM

WOw, everybody, checkout that link, that is a freakin awesome link, thank you SOOO much for that, my crabs are Green Porcelin Crabs, Stone Crabs, and Florida Mud Crabs. and also a couple florida fiddler crabs, but i hope they find the way to the air...

04/17/2007, 11:01 AM	#1
seth16 Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Winter Garden Florida Posts: 1,358	Sebastian and Florida Coast Marine Life OK, i know that I and alot of other people take trips to the coast to collect (legally), and i m7self have caught some weird things that iDK what they are. I have done some research on them and found nothing. I am looking for people who found something, and know what it is, and know where a pic is of it, so that others can learn. I have several kinds of crabs, some resembling emerald crabs, some more like fiddlers, but then have hairs like gorilla crabs, then just fiddlers. I have fo9und anemones that are not flower anemones, but are pruple-ish with a red foot and it is beaded(beaded anemone...???)...i have found flower ROck anemones and knwo that they are flower rock anemones...lol, but well, you get what i mean, post pics of things you ahve caught, or found, or have, and witht he name and all, or post sites that have the species of these things. It wil help us leanr what they are, and then maybe, if somsone finds something they cant take, they will know it.

04/17/2007, 02:03 PM	#5
chrisstie Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 4,727	Just out of curiosity what kind of a setup do you keep your fiddlers in since they are semi-terrestrial? When I lived back on the island it was the most curious thing to see at low tide-ALL of the fiddlers would come out of their holes to eat and pick at stuff left in the sand from the tide going out and you'd literally see THOUSANDS in a huge colony all along the shoreline. If you got near them though, PEW down into their holes they'd shoot. My dog used to like to chase them until she found out what the big claw was for __________________ You lookin' at my wrasse? Current Tank Info: I find it odd that there are children starving in this country and yet we euthanize millions of stray dogs and cats every year and then incinerate the bodies. Not only that, but we make it illegal to butcher the meat. -MarkS

04/17/2007, 04:05 PM	#6
pixiegirlie Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: orlando Posts: 313	just ask sytanik about some of the stuff we found - we researched alot of it - there is no way i am posting pics on this site again about what we found - so just ask him __________________ "its da CUDAS..." Current Tank Info: 12g nano

04/17/2007, 04:44 PM	#8
cowboyswife Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Deltona FL Posts: 2,187	http://myfwc.com/marine/recreational/recharvestmls.htm Sea anemones - Any species of the Orders Actinaria, Zoanthidea, Corallimorpharia, and Ceriantharia. Order Actiniaria: Include solitary species, with large polyps, sedentary: the basal disc, sucker shaped, allows adhaesion to the bottom but small movements are possible. Many species with zooxanthellae. Order Zoanthidea: includes small colonial anemones: the zooids are connected among them, in large colonies. Many species bear zooxanthellae. Some produce and accumulate powerful toxins in their internal organs. Order Corallimorpharia: includes flad bodied anemones, with a large oral disc and a short column body, short tentacles. Some solitary species, most are colonial but the zooids originated by asexual reproduction lose connection. Many species are zooxanthellae bearers. Being very similar (but without skeleton) some species are considered an intermediate between anemones and hard corals. Order Ceriantharia: includes solitary anemones living in a self produced membranous tube, normally in the sediment. So we have anemones, zoo's, mushrooms, and tube anemones. __________________ "The voice of the sea speaks to the soul." - Kate Chopin ~Becca Current Tank Info: Out of the hobby for the time being. But Im sticking around anyway!

04/17/2007, 04:47 PM	#9
sytanek Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Deltona, Florida Posts: 1,956	http://www.edge-of-reef.com/anemoni/Anemonien.htm Figured I'd post a page with pictures in case anyone was interested. __________________ I hate sea cucumbers. Current Tank Info: 92g Corner!

04/17/2007, 11:04 AM	#2
seth16 Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Winter Garden Florida Posts: 1,358	here is the anemone that i am talking about.....

04/17/2007, 11:09 AM	#3
lusenut2 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ocoee, Fl Posts: 1,580	Not to change the subject but I lost track on the whole ordeal you went through. Are your parents making you sell your tanks?

04/17/2007, 11:16 AM	#4
seth16 Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Winter Garden Florida Posts: 1,358	No, not all of them, i get to kep my 75 and my 5.5.....im lucky, and im grounded from everything until the end of april...

04/17/2007, 04:31 PM	#7
Pacific Reefs Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 2,768	How do you know its legal to take these things if you dont know what they are?

04/17/2007, 04:50 PM	#10
seth16 Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Winter Garden Florida Posts: 1,358	Beca, you have zoos mushrooms and tube anems that you got off the coast?!?

04/17/2007, 04:52 PM	#11
hexedagain Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 1,930	Didn't someone say they had found zoanthids at Sebastian? Or somewhere close? You don't have to answer here, just PM me the answer.

04/17/2007, 04:53 PM	#12
sytanek Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Deltona, Florida Posts: 1,956	As for crabs only the following have any restriction. Fiddler crabs, gorilla crabs, etc, all have no restrictions. Although neither are ideal for a reef tank, so not sure why one would take them. Yellowline arrow crab - Stenorhynchus seticornis. Furcate spider or decorator crab - Stenocionops furcatus. Blue-legged or tricolor hermit crab - Clibanarius tricolor. Thinstripe hermit crab - Clibanarius vittatus. Polkadotted hermit crab - Phimochirus operculatus. Spotted porcelain crab - Porcellana sayana. Nimble spray or urchin crab - Percnon gibbesi. False arrow crab - Metoporhaphis calcarata. __________________ I hate sea cucumbers. Current Tank Info: 92g Corner!

04/17/2007, 04:56 PM	#13
sytanek Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Deltona, Florida Posts: 1,956	BTW, that was my post forgot to change names. We have not found all of those things, just what you are allowed to take. Was posting just to spread info about what is legal. __________________ I hate sea cucumbers. Current Tank Info: 92g Corner!

04/17/2007, 05:15 PM	#14
seth16 Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Winter Garden Florida Posts: 1,358	well, my crabs i watch VERY closely, and they only come out at night and clean the sand, they dont even venture up the rocks, like, nto at all. I have some anemones and some zoos i there now, and thye are fine. They are GREAT for cleanup crew, i love the little guys...

04/17/2007, 05:55 PM	#16
chrisstie Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 4,727	Seth do you mean you keep the fiddlers submerged all the time? What do they do for air? Or do you have a ramp that they can crawl up? __________________ You lookin' at my wrasse? Current Tank Info: I find it odd that there are children starving in this country and yet we euthanize millions of stray dogs and cats every year and then incinerate the bodies. Not only that, but we make it illegal to butcher the meat. -MarkS

04/17/2007, 06:55 PM	#17
seth16 Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Winter Garden Florida Posts: 1,358	they crawl up my UV tube and sit, so hey, i never thougt of it, do they need air? i mean, they cannot be fully submersed? I have had some in my nano for weeks without any wat to get up, and they are still alive, but to be a fiddler crab, so they have to have one claw bigger than the other, because none of mine had that, they all were of the same size and i found them all under neatht eh water under rocks as opposed to the ones i couldnt catch on the rocks above...???

04/17/2007, 07:02 PM	#18
chrisstie Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 4,727	Do you have a pic of this kind of crab? The fiddler crabs that live in holes in the sand do need air.. but if you found these in the water i'm wondering what they are __________________ You lookin' at my wrasse? Current Tank Info: I find it odd that there are children starving in this country and yet we euthanize millions of stray dogs and cats every year and then incinerate the bodies. Not only that, but we make it illegal to butcher the meat. -MarkS

04/17/2007, 07:06 PM	#19
sytanek Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Deltona, Florida Posts: 1,956	pm me a pic, i'll let you know what it is..lol __________________ I hate sea cucumbers. Current Tank Info: 92g Corner!

04/17/2007, 07:14 PM	#21
seth16 Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Winter Garden Florida Posts: 1,358	i will try and get some pics tonight, and i will pm them to you guys

04/17/2007, 07:20 PM	#22
chrisstie Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 4,727	Ok cool. just for reference heres some pics of fiddler crabs. toward the bottom you may note they dont always always have the big claws but these are the ones that im most familiar with and know these need air. if yours is a different species it may not be a fiddler at all? Click here for crabs __________________ You lookin' at my wrasse? Current Tank Info: I find it odd that there are children starving in this country and yet we euthanize millions of stray dogs and cats every year and then incinerate the bodies. Not only that, but we make it illegal to butcher the meat. -MarkS

04/17/2007, 07:29 PM	#23
seth16 Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Winter Garden Florida Posts: 1,358	Oh, well, most of what i caught were NOT fiddlers then, but i know a couple were.....uh oh, well, i hope they figure out that they can get up to the surface by the tubing and also i just jury0rigged a floating platform with PVC and gripped tape that hangs to the bottom....lol

04/17/2007, 09:28 PM	#24
RicksReefs Moved On Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In America's Dangling Junk State. Posts: 6,413	http://www.sms.si.edu/IRLFieldGuide/index.htm

04/17/2007, 10:07 PM	#25
seth16 Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Winter Garden Florida Posts: 1,358	WOw, everybody, checkout that link, that is a freakin awesome link, thank you SOOO much for that, my crabs are Green Porcelin Crabs, Stone Crabs, and Florida Mud Crabs. and also a couple florida fiddler crabs, but i hope they find the way to the air...