Need A New Submersible Return, This MAG Is Too Loud

cham · 05/18/2007, 05:34 AM

Any suggestions. Would like 800-900 GPH.

drives300 · 05/18/2007, 05:39 AM

oceanrunner 3500

sjm817 · 05/18/2007, 05:46 AM

Eheim 1262. Do you really need that much return flow?

crab0000 · 05/18/2007, 06:26 AM

Another vote for Eheim.

jeffgp · 05/18/2007, 07:04 AM

i think 300 would be good 800 it alot .. i tryed it .. stired up my sump way too much

Henry Bowman · 05/18/2007, 07:05 AM

Another vote for Eheim

isistius · 05/18/2007, 07:22 AM

oceanrunner or quietone

xtm · 05/18/2007, 09:54 AM

Eheim 1260

quiet, efficient, and VERY reliable.

cham · 05/18/2007, 11:13 AM

Looks like ehiem's are king!

I do like that much flow because I think it stirs the cheato and makes for better growth. It also keep the detritus in the water column which in turn gets removed via my filter socks.

My sump stays clean, is that bad?

klam114 · 05/18/2007, 11:16 AM

If this is for your 110g, the Eheim 1260 will more than sufficient, but it depends if you have anything installed on the return to the tank. Rule of thumb is 3x-5x turnover of your tank for a return pump through your sump and the rest of the circulation should be powerheads within the tank, like the Tunze s or Koralias. If you want good flow in your sump, you can always put a really small powerhead in there too.

The Eheim 1260 is pretty darn quiet.

PAUL327 · 05/18/2007, 12:19 PM

hydor seltz l45 at marine depot great sump check out my post. 50 watts and 925 gph

PAUL327 · 05/18/2007, 12:20 PM

opps great pump not sump lol

NYReef · 05/18/2007, 12:23 PM

The theory of 3x to 5x turnover is fine, the problem is with running the pump return hose and the height increase in the output, you never get nearly what the pump is rated for. I was using an Eheim 1250 on a 300GPH overflow and the return was very slow and the pump even cavatated upon restart. At 0" head all was fine, at 4" of head quite a difference. I love Eheim pumps but when to a Mag 5 which is rated at 500 GPH and am getting great flow with no problems due to a 300 GPH overflow because the length and height of the return cuts the flow that much. Food for thought.....

sjm817 · 05/18/2007, 12:34 PM

As NYReef states...Its 3 - 5X display size after headloss, not raw 0' head rating. I like the 1250 for small tanks, 1260 for ~ 75 - 120G, 1262 for 150 - 225G.

hansmatt · 05/18/2007, 12:46 PM

I have a 90g, and love the 1260. People comment on how silent it is on a regular basis (ok, reef people make the comment, not the rest of them)

GTR · 05/18/2007, 12:49 PM

I see absolutely no problem with running as much water as you can through the sump. Limitations are pump, overflow, drains and noise control. I don't know were this idea that less was better came from. Why add other things for flow if you can get it done with the returns.

I don't see the size Mag you're using but all those I've have 9.5 and under are quite. I know the larger ones rattle a lot more.

SteveU

klam114 · 05/18/2007, 12:52 PM

I have seen a Mag 9.5 add 3 degrees to a 100g tank. Mine. The Eheim 1260 more quiet and took off 2 degrees easily.

Quote:

Originally posted by sjm817
As NYReef states...Its 3 - 5X display size after headloss, not raw 0' head rating. I like the 1250 for small tanks, 1260 for ~ 75 - 120G, 1262 for 150 - 225G.

Yes, after head loss, 3x-5x turnover.

cham · 05/18/2007, 12:57 PM

I am also running a mag 9.5. Turns out the noise was coming from an air pump that I use to pull fresh outside air in to the inlet port of my skimmer.

Still not sure what direction I am going to go here.

GTR · 05/18/2007, 01:24 PM

I do aggree on heat. I use a mag 9.5 in a 50g drum for mixing ASW. I run it overnight and the temp will be warmer than the tank. I used a 7 in the past and needed a heater. With Mags I think it's a quality issue and not each one is near the same.

SteveU

reefknight · 05/19/2007, 11:13 PM

Planning an upgrade to a 90 gal tank currently and mine will be the Eheim 1262. Can't be beat IMO.

Reef Sponger · 05/20/2007, 09:45 AM

the 1262 might be too much for a 90g. you really only want at most 5x turnover of your display after head pressure as everyone describes above. so, 450gph max on a 90g is what you are looking for after headpressure from all your plumbing and gagets you put in between. if nothing in between, even a 1260 might too strong. the eheims are very quiet.

rickyscuba · 05/20/2007, 09:46 AM

I replace my mag 7 with an Eheim 1260.
This pump is very, very quiet.

Reeferon · 05/20/2007, 12:14 PM

go with the eheim

TheNomadRhodes · 05/20/2007, 12:28 PM

I use Quiet One 3000s. they have worked better for me any other pump I've used.

05/18/2007, 05:34 AM	#1
cham Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Winter Garden, FL Posts: 3,632	Need A New Submersible Return, This MAG Is Too Loud Any suggestions. Would like 800-900 GPH.

05/18/2007, 05:39 AM	#2
drives300 Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bradenton, FL Posts: 961	oceanrunner 3500 __________________ Water Param 79 degrees nit 0 amm 0 phos 0 salifers Calcium 450 salifer alk 11 dkh Ph 8-8.1 Current Tank Info: 90 Gallon,reef octopus nw150, 2 oceanflow mods, 2x 250w 10k mh, phos reactor

05/18/2007, 05:46 AM	#3
sjm817 On Yer left! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Northern VA Posts: 18,777	Eheim 1262. Do you really need that much return flow? __________________ - Scott

05/18/2007, 07:04 AM	#5
jeffgp Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: milwaukee Posts: 625	i think 300 would be good 800 it alot .. i tryed it .. stired up my sump way too much __________________ (Member of the Gem Tang Rider Posse) check my red house Current Tank Info: reef tank

05/18/2007, 07:05 AM	#6
Henry Bowman Reefing since '87 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Allegheny Mountains of VA Posts: 2,162	Another vote for Eheim __________________ Have a good'un Current Tank Info: 90 gl SPS dominant / upgrade in the works

05/18/2007, 06:26 AM	#4
crab0000 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Jasper,GA Posts: 2,801	Another vote for Eheim.

05/18/2007, 07:22 AM	#7
isistius Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: west palm, fla Posts: 424	oceanrunner or quietone

05/18/2007, 09:54 AM	#8
xtm Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Panorama City, CA Posts: 4,703	Eheim 1260 quiet, efficient, and VERY reliable. __________________ Function before fashion Current Tank Info: 120g SPS Tank (48x24x24)

05/18/2007, 11:13 AM	#9
cham Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Winter Garden, FL Posts: 3,632	Looks like ehiem's are king! I do like that much flow because I think it stirs the cheato and makes for better growth. It also keep the detritus in the water column which in turn gets removed via my filter socks. My sump stays clean, is that bad?

05/18/2007, 11:16 AM	#10
klam114 Moved On Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: San Francisco Posts: 685	If this is for your 110g, the Eheim 1260 will more than sufficient, but it depends if you have anything installed on the return to the tank. Rule of thumb is 3x-5x turnover of your tank for a return pump through your sump and the rest of the circulation should be powerheads within the tank, like the Tunze s or Koralias. If you want good flow in your sump, you can always put a really small powerhead in there too. The Eheim 1260 is pretty darn quiet. Last edited by klam114; 05/18/2007 at 11:22 AM.

05/18/2007, 12:19 PM	#11
PAUL327 Registered Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: JUPITER, FLORIDA Posts: 76	hydor seltz l45 at marine depot great sump check out my post. 50 watts and 925 gph

05/18/2007, 12:20 PM	#12
PAUL327 Registered Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: JUPITER, FLORIDA Posts: 76	opps great pump not sump lol

05/18/2007, 12:23 PM	#13
NYReef Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 203	The theory of 3x to 5x turnover is fine, the problem is with running the pump return hose and the height increase in the output, you never get nearly what the pump is rated for. I was using an Eheim 1250 on a 300GPH overflow and the return was very slow and the pump even cavatated upon restart. At 0" head all was fine, at 4" of head quite a difference. I love Eheim pumps but when to a Mag 5 which is rated at 500 GPH and am getting great flow with no problems due to a 300 GPH overflow because the length and height of the return cuts the flow that much. Food for thought.....

05/18/2007, 12:34 PM	#14
sjm817 On Yer left! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Northern VA Posts: 18,777	As NYReef states...Its 3 - 5X display size after headloss, not raw 0' head rating. I like the 1250 for small tanks, 1260 for ~ 75 - 120G, 1262 for 150 - 225G. __________________ - Scott Last edited by sjm817; 05/18/2007 at 12:43 PM.

05/18/2007, 12:46 PM	#15
hansmatt Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Western Wisconsin Posts: 681	I have a 90g, and love the 1260. People comment on how silent it is on a regular basis (ok, reef people make the comment, not the rest of them)

05/18/2007, 12:49 PM	#16
GTR Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Twin Falls, ID Posts: 7,152	I see absolutely no problem with running as much water as you can through the sump. Limitations are pump, overflow, drains and noise control. I don't know were this idea that less was better came from. Why add other things for flow if you can get it done with the returns. I don't see the size Mag you're using but all those I've have 9.5 and under are quite. I know the larger ones rattle a lot more. SteveU __________________ AKA, Riff

05/18/2007, 12:57 PM	#18
cham Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Winter Garden, FL Posts: 3,632	I am also running a mag 9.5. Turns out the noise was coming from an air pump that I use to pull fresh outside air in to the inlet port of my skimmer. Still not sure what direction I am going to go here.

05/18/2007, 01:24 PM	#19
GTR Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Twin Falls, ID Posts: 7,152	I do aggree on heat. I use a mag 9.5 in a 50g drum for mixing ASW. I run it overnight and the temp will be warmer than the tank. I used a 7 in the past and needed a heater. With Mags I think it's a quality issue and not each one is near the same. SteveU __________________ AKA, Riff

05/19/2007, 11:13 PM	#20
reefknight Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Warner Robins, GA Posts: 626	Planning an upgrade to a 90 gal tank currently and mine will be the Eheim 1262. Can't be beat IMO. __________________ Bill Current Tank Info: DSA Neo 185gal - Coming Soon!

05/20/2007, 09:45 AM	#21
Reef Sponger Moved On Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: TX/USA Posts: 696	the 1262 might be too much for a 90g. you really only want at most 5x turnover of your display after head pressure as everyone describes above. so, 450gph max on a 90g is what you are looking for after headpressure from all your plumbing and gagets you put in between. if nothing in between, even a 1260 might too strong. the eheims are very quiet. Last edited by Reef Sponger; 05/20/2007 at 10:08 AM.

05/20/2007, 09:46 AM	#22
rickyscuba Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 61	I replace my mag 7 with an Eheim 1260. This pump is very, very quiet. __________________ Deep Down No one hear you scream! Current Tank Info: 55 FOWLR in transition to reef

05/20/2007, 12:14 PM	#23
Reeferon Moved On Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Gainesville Posts: 748	go with the eheim

05/20/2007, 12:28 PM	#24
TheNomadRhodes Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Lubbock Tx Posts: 195	I use Quiet One 3000s. they have worked better for me any other pump I've used.