rubbermaid sump Users, quick questions??

boostd2valve · 06/27/2007, 11:25 AM

Looks like this may be a good route for me as i found a tub that fits my stand perfect...Just wanted to make sure what brands are OK to use, Im guessing rubbermaid is ok, what about sterlite(spelling) also what is used in these to make chambers, and what glue to use? Seems like a cheap route to use....thanks for any quick help

ediaz · 06/27/2007, 11:47 AM

I use rubbermaid for my brood stock system that has about 10K worth of fish in there, have used sterilite sometimes with larvae but not enough to known them well, I use a lot of these for larvae it does not get more delicate than that:

http://www.tufftubs.com/

most local farm supply stores carry them, they even find you a store if you email them, and they are cheap.

Ed

luke33 · 06/27/2007, 12:47 PM

The only prob with using rubbermaids is there aren't really chambers. It bow's adn the chambers won't work. I suggest it its not going to be seen to wrap alot of duct tape around it. I know its kinda silly but it'll keep it from bowing out. Also, you can add smaller rebbermaid's in there for chambers ; ) Has the same effect. I have two 40g rubbermaid's connected to one another for a 40g fuge and a 40sump. It works perfect. The only thing i don't like about it is that the bottom isn't flat so you have to get a stand for your skimmer.

boostd2valve · 06/27/2007, 01:46 PM

yeah, thats the only thing i wasnt sure about the bowing part..Im not planing on running a superlot of water through it and its not going to be for a big system so i wasnt sure..but i like the duct tape idea...thanks keep the coming!!

ChuckNorris · 06/27/2007, 02:24 PM

yea I had the same question. How do you put baffles or dividers in there? Are they even needed?

luke33 · 06/27/2007, 02:38 PM

Dividers are smaller rubbermaids in the larger rubbermaids.

ChuckNorris · 06/27/2007, 04:30 PM

I do not really understand how to set that up. Does anybody have any pics? Sorry for the hassel I just want to get this right.

Thanks
Sean

PorFshGuy · 06/28/2007, 12:03 PM

Well if you want to make chambers or baffles in the rubbermaid containers you can use eggcrate with a thin layer of plexi. Not very pretty but worked well for my Fresh tank.

ChuckNorris · 06/28/2007, 02:25 PM

alright cool. Thanks a lot. I have been doing some looking around and I think I got the rubbermaid tub inside idea now. Thanks a ton.

Sean

token · 06/28/2007, 04:28 PM

Some of the Rubbermaid products have "feet", extruded protrusions on the base. Removing these is a must, imo. I can personally attest to the damage a leak from these can do if the weight in the tub wins a battle with the plastic.

I have used Rubbermaid products in a variety of shapes and been very satisfied but I try to reinforce the "ripples" on the bottom; a "frame" of some type with a bit of foam insulation into which I press the Rubbermaid is just one way to do that.

Good luck!

ChuckNorris · 06/29/2007, 11:04 AM

So are you saying grind the "feet" off of the bottom. I have a 100 gallon tub rght now for curing live rock and it has the feet but it has had no problems for 1.5 years.

Thanks
Sean

Dell2go · 06/29/2007, 01:16 PM

Good idea.

token · 06/29/2007, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ChuckNorris
So are you saying grind the "feet" off of the bottom. I have a 100 gallon tub rght now for curing live rock and it has the feet but it has had no problems for 1.5 years.

Thanks
Sean

I have a 150g Rubbermaid trough that I trust tremendously; it's "feet" are a web of plastic. This replaced my ~50g tub that forced itself down over one corner of a foot that was about .5" tall all the way around the tub. It was after about a year or so of service.

I might have jostled it or some such but the mess was quite the event. I now ensure that the bottom is as flat as I can make it if it doesn't start out that way. I just did this with a new trash can for a nano's sump.

ChuckNorris · 06/29/2007, 10:16 PM

So the bottom just suddenly collapsed one day?

glaudds · 06/29/2007, 10:58 PM

I had this setup for 6 years before switching to an acrylic sump...two Rubbermaid totes plumbed together...

Right side drain from tank and fuge...

Left side, skimmer and return...

ChuckNorris · 06/30/2007, 12:20 AM

Wow I like that idea. Do you think it is easier than having a 100 gal rubbermaid tub. I was planning on having a 40 gal tub like yours for a refugium.

ludnix · 06/30/2007, 01:19 AM

I'm limited to 18" in width max for a sump, does anyone know where I could get a rubbermaid or similar container close to that size in width?

glaudds · 06/30/2007, 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ludnix
I'm limited to 18" in width max for a sump, does anyone know where I could get a rubbermaid or similar container close to that size in width?

I would try target and walmart.

glaudds · 06/30/2007, 01:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ChuckNorris
Wow I like that idea. Do you think it is easier than having a 100 gal rubbermaid tub. I was planning on having a 40 gal tub like yours for a refugium.

I like the larger volume lf the 100 gal tub. You could use the 40 gal tub within the 100 tub for the fuge. It could have a seperate water feed and have it overflow into the 100 gal.

JustOneMoreTank · 06/30/2007, 12:19 PM

4 - 5 wraps of Duct Tape around the top before you fill the Rubbermaid container with water will prevent the Bowing.

ChuckNorris · 06/30/2007, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by glaudds
I like the larger volume lf the 100 gal tub. You could use the 40 gal tub within the 100 tub for the fuge. It could have a seperate water feed and have it overflow into the 100 gal.

Yea i was planning on having the refugium seperate in a 40 gal rubbermaid container. Thanks for the duct tape advice as well.

token · 07/01/2007, 05:17 PM

Here are a couple of pics of the feet I will be addressing as I put this Rubbermaid XL into service as an RSDB (it's this tub, btw):

The failure point has been for me one of the inside corners. As the weight (in this tub, pushing 300 lbs.) bears down (possibly compounded by the lateral effects of bowing), a leak developed around one of those corners.

I will do with this one what I wish I had done with the last one. I will make a frame out of 2 x 6 and plywood. I will put some of that foam insulation in the bottom (about an inch), set the tub in to its feet on the plywood and then fill the gaps between the frame and the tub with more. I let it sit for 24 hours and trim away the excess and paint the frame.

I want the foam to fill all those ridges, too, as I suspect that Rubbermaid didn't stress test these things for the uses for which we intend them. At 42" long and with handles, I am sure that Rubbermaid thought the average person rarely puts much more than 75lbs. in it.

Just seems to me that putting 35-40gals. of moving water through it might be more than it can take without a lot of help...

06/27/2007, 11:25 AM	#1
boostd2valve Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 243	rubbermaid sump Users, quick questions?? Looks like this may be a good route for me as i found a tub that fits my stand perfect...Just wanted to make sure what brands are OK to use, Im guessing rubbermaid is ok, what about sterlite(spelling) also what is used in these to make chambers, and what glue to use? Seems like a cheap route to use....thanks for any quick help

06/27/2007, 11:47 AM	#2
ediaz Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Grand Rapids MI Posts: 1,128	I use rubbermaid for my brood stock system that has about 10K worth of fish in there, have used sterilite sometimes with larvae but not enough to known them well, I use a lot of these for larvae it does not get more delicate than that: http://www.tufftubs.com/ most local farm supply stores carry them, they even find you a store if you email them, and they are cheap. Ed __________________ The Ediaz I'll just leave it blank

06/27/2007, 02:24 PM	#5
ChuckNorris Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Deerfield, IL Posts: 108	yea I had the same question. How do you put baffles or dividers in there? Are they even needed? __________________ 75 gallon mixed reef under photon 48 LED fixture

06/27/2007, 04:30 PM	#7
ChuckNorris Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Deerfield, IL Posts: 108	I do not really understand how to set that up. Does anybody have any pics? Sorry for the hassel I just want to get this right. Thanks Sean __________________ 75 gallon mixed reef under photon 48 LED fixture

06/28/2007, 12:03 PM	#8
PorFshGuy Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Chicago western burbs Posts: 21	Well if you want to make chambers or baffles in the rubbermaid containers you can use eggcrate with a thin layer of plexi. Not very pretty but worked well for my Fresh tank. __________________ Have you seen Finding Nemo? Current Tank Info: 75

06/27/2007, 12:47 PM	#3
luke33 Moved On Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 8,375	The only prob with using rubbermaids is there aren't really chambers. It bow's adn the chambers won't work. I suggest it its not going to be seen to wrap alot of duct tape around it. I know its kinda silly but it'll keep it from bowing out. Also, you can add smaller rebbermaid's in there for chambers ; ) Has the same effect. I have two 40g rubbermaid's connected to one another for a 40g fuge and a 40sump. It works perfect. The only thing i don't like about it is that the bottom isn't flat so you have to get a stand for your skimmer.

06/27/2007, 01:46 PM	#4
boostd2valve Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 243	yeah, thats the only thing i wasnt sure about the bowing part..Im not planing on running a superlot of water through it and its not going to be for a big system so i wasnt sure..but i like the duct tape idea...thanks keep the coming!!

06/27/2007, 02:38 PM	#6
luke33 Moved On Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 8,375	Dividers are smaller rubbermaids in the larger rubbermaids.

06/28/2007, 02:25 PM	#9
ChuckNorris Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Deerfield, IL Posts: 108	alright cool. Thanks a lot. I have been doing some looking around and I think I got the rubbermaid tub inside idea now. Thanks a ton. Sean __________________ 75 gallon mixed reef under photon 48 LED fixture

06/28/2007, 04:28 PM	#10
token Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 614	Some of the Rubbermaid products have "feet", extruded protrusions on the base. Removing these is a must, imo. I can personally attest to the damage a leak from these can do if the weight in the tub wins a battle with the plastic. I have used Rubbermaid products in a variety of shapes and been very satisfied but I try to reinforce the "ripples" on the bottom; a "frame" of some type with a bit of foam insulation into which I press the Rubbermaid is just one way to do that. Good luck! __________________ •Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage - to move in the opposite direction. --Albert Einstein Current Tank Info: 100g and 75g displays, both with 2 x 250w Iwasaki 14k DE, 100g sump, 55g growout, 55g refugium, 20g benthic

06/29/2007, 11:04 AM	#11
ChuckNorris Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Deerfield, IL Posts: 108	So are you saying grind the "feet" off of the bottom. I have a 100 gallon tub rght now for curing live rock and it has the feet but it has had no problems for 1.5 years. Thanks Sean __________________ 75 gallon mixed reef under photon 48 LED fixture

06/29/2007, 01:16 PM	#12
Dell2go Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Falls Church, VA Posts: 103	Good idea.

06/29/2007, 10:16 PM	#14
ChuckNorris Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Deerfield, IL Posts: 108	So the bottom just suddenly collapsed one day? __________________ 75 gallon mixed reef under photon 48 LED fixture

06/29/2007, 10:58 PM	#15
glaudds Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Glendale, So. Cal. Posts: 2,425	I had this setup for 6 years before switching to an acrylic sump...two Rubbermaid totes plumbed together... Right side drain from tank and fuge... Left side, skimmer and return... __________________ When you hear hoof beats, think of horses, not zebras. Current Tank Info: 125g 6' acrylic, 55g sump/fuge, Iwaki WMD30RLXT return, 2 x 250 watt 10k XM ARO e-ballasts, 4 x 96 watt PC Actinic 03, Jeff's Pro 6-2 Skimmer, K2R Ca Reactor w/ARM media, MRC Kalk Reactor, TLF Phosban, 3x MJ 1200 mods, Reefkeeper 2 Controller

06/30/2007, 12:20 AM	#16
ChuckNorris Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Deerfield, IL Posts: 108	Wow I like that idea. Do you think it is easier than having a 100 gal rubbermaid tub. I was planning on having a 40 gal tub like yours for a refugium. __________________ 75 gallon mixed reef under photon 48 LED fixture

06/30/2007, 01:19 AM	#17
ludnix Registered Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: California Posts: 3,031	I'm limited to 18" in width max for a sump, does anyone know where I could get a rubbermaid or similar container close to that size in width? __________________ -Eric Sutter Current Tank Info: 14g Biocube

06/30/2007, 12:19 PM	#20
JustOneMoreTank Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 967	4 - 5 wraps of Duct Tape around the top before you fill the Rubbermaid container with water will prevent the Bowing.

07/01/2007, 05:17 PM	#22
token Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 614	Here are a couple of pics of the feet I will be addressing as I put this Rubbermaid XL into service as an RSDB (it's this tub, btw): The failure point has been for me one of the inside corners. As the weight (in this tub, pushing 300 lbs.) bears down (possibly compounded by the lateral effects of bowing), a leak developed around one of those corners. I will do with this one what I wish I had done with the last one. I will make a frame out of 2 x 6 and plywood. I will put some of that foam insulation in the bottom (about an inch), set the tub in to its feet on the plywood and then fill the gaps between the frame and the tub with more. I let it sit for 24 hours and trim away the excess and paint the frame. I want the foam to fill all those ridges, too, as I suspect that Rubbermaid didn't stress test these things for the uses for which we intend them. At 42" long and with handles, I am sure that Rubbermaid thought the average person rarely puts much more than 75lbs. in it. Just seems to me that putting 35-40gals. of moving water through it might be more than it can take without a lot of help... __________________ •Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage - to move in the opposite direction. --Albert Einstein Current Tank Info: 100g and 75g displays, both with 2 x 250w Iwasaki 14k DE, 100g sump, 55g growout, 55g refugium, 20g benthic