Bryopsis Poll.....

Neptune777 · 07/08/2007, 11:18 AM

In parallel with the thread on killing bryopsis using Mg levels I want to see who has had success using the different products. From what I have read just plain old Mag Flake doesn't do the trick (which I also experienced). Please vote with your results.

Neptune777 · 07/08/2007, 12:23 PM

Bump.... come on folks!

TCU Reefer · 07/08/2007, 12:30 PM

I needed to vote twice but it won't allow me. I tried Mag flake initially but it didn't affect the bryopsis at all. Started using Kent Tech-M and it started to die off within days. I voted Mag Flake did not work but I also have a vote for Kent Tech.

Neptune777 · 07/08/2007, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TCU Reefer
I needed to vote twice but it won't allow me. I tried Mag flake initially but it didn't affect the bryopsis at all. Started using Kent Tech-M and it started to die off within days. I voted Mag Flake did not work but I also have a vote for Kent Tech.

Thanks! That's good to know. I failed using Mag Flake ....starting today I am trying epsom salts since it seems to be as successful as the Tech-M.....I will post my results over this week.

Neptune777 · 07/08/2007, 02:50 PM

Bump...

phragman53 · 07/08/2007, 03:59 PM

FWIW I've been reading all the threads on bryopsis which had essentially taken over my tank over the last 6 months. Then I read all of these threads and got started on an informal "experiment." I am in the process of doing an informal trial to see which of 3 options of adding Mg to the tank may work.
Results so far

Seachem Reef Advantage Magnesium - Tank has been over 1600 ppm for over a week with NO noticable effect on the bryopsis.

ESV Magnesium - Put some LR from the tank that was covered with bryopsis in a 12 gal plastic container with a power head and added ESV Mg to over 1600 ppm. After 5 days no noticable effect on the bryopsis.

Today I put more rock in another container to which I had added the Kent Tech M (only able to find it on Friday). Mg level is 1650 ppm. So far no change in the algae that I can detect.

Although I had the algae ID'd as bryopsis at my LFS, I'm going to take some to a different LFS to confirm that this is what I'm dealing with. If so, then the Seachem and ESV are not very effective. We'll see how the Tech M does. I'll keep you posted.

Neptune777 · 07/08/2007, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by phragman53
FWIW I've been reading all the threads on bryopsis which had essentially taken over my tank over the last 6 months. Then I read all of these threads and got started on an informal "experiment." I am in the process of doing an informal trial to see which of 3 options of adding Mg to the tank may work.
Results so far

Seachem Reef Advantage Magnesium - Tank has been over 1600 ppm for over a week with NO noticable effect on the bryopsis.

ESV Magnesium - Put some LR from the tank that was covered with bryopsis in a 12 gal plastic container with a power head and added ESV Mg to over 1600 ppm. After 5 days no noticable effect on the bryopsis.

Today I put more rock in another container to which I had added the Kent Tech M (only able to find it on Friday). Mg level is 1650 ppm. So far no change in the algae that I can detect.

Although I had the algae ID'd as bryopsis at my LFS, I'm going to take some to a different LFS to confirm that this is what I'm dealing with. If so, then the Seachem and ESV are not very effective. We'll see how the Tech M does. I'll keep you posted.

Thanks for the info....I look forward to your results. Couple things, Are the ESV and Seachem Mg Chloride or Mg Sulfate? The theory is that the Mg Chloride is not the correct Mg to use......Mg Sulfate is the one you want (Tech M might be Mg Sulfate). Epsom salts are 100% Mg Sulfate and apparently folks were successful using it. Epsom salts cost a fraction of the Tech-M and you can get it at the grocery store and pharmacies.

Any chance you can test with some Epsom salts as well?

phragman53 · 07/08/2007, 04:49 PM

I'm glad to try to clarify things. I read that someone had success with the Seachem which I happened to have and which is why I went to it first. I wouldn't recommend it from what I've seen.
I'll try to get some epsom salts this week and see what happens.
As for the contents of the Seachem it says that "Reef Advantage Magnesium is a concentrated (80,000 ppm) optimized blend of magnesium, chloride and sulfate salts designed to restore depleted levels of magnesium ..." So it contains both Mg Cl and Mg Sulfate but it doesn't say in what proportion.
The ESV bottle says that the contents are "36,000 ppm magnesium ion in addtion to all other major ionic ions of seawater (with the exception of sodium, calcium and cabonates/bicarbonates) in their natural ratios."
Tech M only says "it is very concentrated , containing over 70,000 ppm of cationic magnesium, and is nitrate, phosphate and gluconate free."
By the way I believe that some of my snails have succombed to the higher Mg levels as I've lost several since adding the Mg.

Peter Eichler · 07/08/2007, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by phragman53
I'm glad to try to clarify things. I read that someone had success with the Seachem which I happened to have and which is why I went to it first. I wouldn't recommend it from what I've seen.
I'll try to get some epsom salts this week and see what happens.
As for the contents of the Seachem it says that "Reef Advantage Magnesium is a concentrated (80,000 ppm) optimized blend of magnesium, chloride and sulfate salts designed to restore depleted levels of magnesium ..." So it contains both Mg Cl and Mg Sulfate but it doesn't say in what proportion.
The ESV bottle says that the contents are "36,000 ppm magnesium ion in addtion to all other major ionic ions of seawater (with the exception of sodium, calcium and cabonates/bicarbonates) in their natural ratios."
Tech M only says "it is very concentrated , containing over 70,000 ppm of cationic magnesium, and is nitrate, phosphate and gluconate free."
By the way I believe that some of my snails have succombed to the higher Mg levels as I've lost several since adding the Mg.

A good photograph of your Bryopsis would be a great help, I feel some of the failure stories might have something to do with false IDs, just like a lot of the reports of herbivores eating Bryopsis do.

Neptune777 · 07/08/2007, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Peter Eichler
A good photograph of your Bryopsis would be a great help, I feel some of the failure stories might have something to do with false IDs, just like a lot of the reports of herbivores eating Bryopsis do.

I agree Peter.....Bryopsis is not tasty to anything!

Neptune777 · 07/08/2007, 05:39 PM

Peter... you had success with Epsom Salts right?

flyyyguy · 07/08/2007, 05:39 PM

You forgot blow torch as a "supplement" choice

Thats how i got rid of mine. Of course.....it was a pita and i wish i would have known about the success that some have had with mag at the time so i could have at least tried it.

MTB · 07/08/2007, 05:39 PM

I scrubed every rock and cured it in a brute with no light for 2 weeks. I am now algea free. I also added some cheato. This was before i read about the magnesium idea.

flyyyguy · 07/08/2007, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MTB
I scrubed every rock and cured it in a brute with no light for 2 weeks. I am now algea free. I also added some cheato. This was before i read about the magnesium idea.

I scrubbed and cooked rock for 12 weeks. bryopsis survived. It took it a few months to show its face again...but it did

Goodwood · 07/08/2007, 05:54 PM

I started over, new rock, water, sand and tank. Works great, scrubbing, mag increases, and recuring will work short term but it always came back for me. I was to the point where I was gonna get out but I pulled the trigger and started over, best thing I have ever done in reefing. Im not saying there is no other way but startimg over WILL work. I battled Bryopsis for two years. Best of luck to all, this stuff will keep you up at night.

Neptune777 · 07/08/2007, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Goodwood
I started over, new rock, water, sand and tank. Works great, scrubbing, mag increases, and recuring will work short term but it always came back for me. I was to the point where I was gonna get out but I pulled the trigger and started over, best thing I have ever done in reefing. Im not saying there is no other way but startimg over WILL work. I battled Bryopsis for two years. Best of luck to all, this stuff will keep you up at night.

What Mag suppliment did you use and failed?

phragman53 · 07/08/2007, 07:39 PM

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1224/...eb801550_m.jpg

phragman53 · 07/08/2007, 07:41 PM

I'm fairly new to RC so still trying to work the bugs out. The above is a pic of LR with what I think is LR. I hope that you can enlarge to get a better look. If not I can post another pic tomorrow.
Thanks.

Neptune777 · 07/08/2007, 08:25 PM

Who voted that the Tech-M did not work for them? Were you positive that you had bryopsis?

Peter Eichler · 07/08/2007, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Neptune777
Peter... you had success with Epsom Salts right?

Correct

Mr31415 · 07/09/2007, 02:00 AM

Then just to confirm - this is bryopsis, right?

(Microscope)

cichlid nutz · 07/09/2007, 05:34 AM

Peter, is there a formula/ratio for mixing up an Epsom Salt solution for dosing?

Neptune777 · 07/09/2007, 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr31415
Then just to confirm - this is bryopsis, right?

(Microscope)

100% Correct...

Neptune777 · 07/09/2007, 10:18 AM

Bump

SaltyDr · 07/09/2007, 01:31 PM

I started out using ESV but it only raised by mag to 1410. I then added a pound of epsom salt over a few days and my level is currently at 1500 +/-. I am going to get some more epsom salt and shoot for 1600 and hope for the best. So far no negatives, but this weed is still proliferating. Before I added the mag it was growing back a brownish yellow and was a bit mushy/slimey, but still quite prolific. If I clean it off the glass, I can see it coming back in days. It's growing on the overflow, in the U tube, on the sand, powerheads - everywhere. The snails will keep it at bay if it's short, but they miss a lot and I have to pick it out by hand. What a pain.

View Poll Results: What did or did not work for you...
Success using Kent Tech-M exclusively	4	28.57%
No....Kent Tech-M did not work for me	1	7.14%
Success using Epsom Salts exclusively	3	21.43%
No....Epsom salts did not work for me	0	0%
Success using Mag flake exclusively	0	0%
No... Mag Flake did not work for me	3	21.43%
Other suppliment not listed here worked for me...	3	21.43%
Voters: 14. You may not vote on this poll

07/08/2007, 11:18 AM	#1
Neptune777 Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,700	Bryopsis Poll..... In parallel with the thread on killing bryopsis using Mg levels I want to see who has had success using the different products. From what I have read just plain old Mag Flake doesn't do the trick (which I also experienced). Please vote with your results.

07/08/2007, 12:30 PM	#3
TCU Reefer Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 1,044	I needed to vote twice but it won't allow me. I tried Mag flake initially but it didn't affect the bryopsis at all. Started using Kent Tech-M and it started to die off within days. I voted Mag Flake did not work but I also have a vote for Kent Tech. __________________ Steve - DFWMAS Member Click on the red house to view my build thread Current Tank Info: 215g starboard SPS in-wall, AC Jr, 3 x 250w MH's, 10k Reeflux, 320w VHO actinics, closed loop w/ Sequence Dart and OM 4-Way, Tunze wavebox, VorTech, 2x modded MJ 1200's, ASM G4 recirc/meshwheel, Geo 618 Ca reactor, custom Melev sump, Mag 9.5 return

07/08/2007, 05:39 PM	#12
flyyyguy King of the white corals Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,239	You forgot blow torch as a "supplement" choice Thats how i got rid of mine. Of course.....it was a pita and i wish i would have known about the success that some have had with mag at the time so i could have at least tried it. __________________ I like holding hands, snuggling, and long walks on the beach

07/08/2007, 05:39 PM	#13
MTB Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Illannoy Posts: 1,365	I scrubed every rock and cured it in a brute with no light for 2 weeks. I am now algea free. I also added some cheato. This was before i read about the magnesium idea. __________________ Got Frags? Current Tank Info: 40 breeder. Kessil lights. Reef octopus skimmer. Vortec mp40 x2.

07/08/2007, 12:23 PM	#2
Neptune777 Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,700	Bump.... come on folks!

07/08/2007, 02:50 PM	#5
Neptune777 Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,700	Bump...

07/08/2007, 03:59 PM	#6
phragman53 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: SW Conn. Posts: 52	FWIW I've been reading all the threads on bryopsis which had essentially taken over my tank over the last 6 months. Then I read all of these threads and got started on an informal "experiment." I am in the process of doing an informal trial to see which of 3 options of adding Mg to the tank may work. Results so far Seachem Reef Advantage Magnesium - Tank has been over 1600 ppm for over a week with NO noticable effect on the bryopsis. ESV Magnesium - Put some LR from the tank that was covered with bryopsis in a 12 gal plastic container with a power head and added ESV Mg to over 1600 ppm. After 5 days no noticable effect on the bryopsis. Today I put more rock in another container to which I had added the Kent Tech M (only able to find it on Friday). Mg level is 1650 ppm. So far no change in the algae that I can detect. Although I had the algae ID'd as bryopsis at my LFS, I'm going to take some to a different LFS to confirm that this is what I'm dealing with. If so, then the Seachem and ESV are not very effective. We'll see how the Tech M does. I'll keep you posted.

07/08/2007, 04:49 PM	#8
phragman53 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: SW Conn. Posts: 52	I'm glad to try to clarify things. I read that someone had success with the Seachem which I happened to have and which is why I went to it first. I wouldn't recommend it from what I've seen. I'll try to get some epsom salts this week and see what happens. As for the contents of the Seachem it says that "Reef Advantage Magnesium is a concentrated (80,000 ppm) optimized blend of magnesium, chloride and sulfate salts designed to restore depleted levels of magnesium ..." So it contains both Mg Cl and Mg Sulfate but it doesn't say in what proportion. The ESV bottle says that the contents are "36,000 ppm magnesium ion in addtion to all other major ionic ions of seawater (with the exception of sodium, calcium and cabonates/bicarbonates) in their natural ratios." Tech M only says "it is very concentrated , containing over 70,000 ppm of cationic magnesium, and is nitrate, phosphate and gluconate free." By the way I believe that some of my snails have succombed to the higher Mg levels as I've lost several since adding the Mg.

07/08/2007, 05:54 PM	#15
Goodwood Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Destin, Florida Posts: 700	I started over, new rock, water, sand and tank. Works great, scrubbing, mag increases, and recuring will work short term but it always came back for me. I was to the point where I was gonna get out but I pulled the trigger and started over, best thing I have ever done in reefing. Im not saying there is no other way but startimg over WILL work. I battled Bryopsis for two years. Best of luck to all, this stuff will keep you up at night.

07/08/2007, 07:39 PM	#17
phragman53 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: SW Conn. Posts: 52	http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1224/...eb801550_m.jpg

07/08/2007, 07:41 PM	#18
phragman53 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: SW Conn. Posts: 52	I'm fairly new to RC so still trying to work the bugs out. The above is a pic of LR with what I think is LR. I hope that you can enlarge to get a better look. If not I can post another pic tomorrow. Thanks.

07/08/2007, 08:25 PM	#19
Neptune777 Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,700	Who voted that the Tech-M did not work for them? Were you positive that you had bryopsis?

07/09/2007, 02:00 AM	#21
Mr31415 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Surrey, Canada Posts: 1,926	Then just to confirm - this is bryopsis, right? (Microscope)

07/09/2007, 05:34 AM	#22
cichlid nutz Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: 6 miles from Hades Posts: 299	Peter, is there a formula/ratio for mixing up an Epsom Salt solution for dosing? __________________ --MARK-- Excels at mediocrity Current Tank Info: Tanks are GONE!!

07/09/2007, 10:18 AM	#24
Neptune777 Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,700	Bump

07/09/2007, 01:31 PM	#25
SaltyDr Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Southwest Florida Posts: 1,191	I started out using ESV but it only raised by mag to 1410. I then added a pound of epsom salt over a few days and my level is currently at 1500 +/-. I am going to get some more epsom salt and shoot for 1600 and hope for the best. So far no negatives, but this weed is still proliferating. Before I added the mag it was growing back a brownish yellow and was a bit mushy/slimey, but still quite prolific. If I clean it off the glass, I can see it coming back in days. It's growing on the overflow, in the U tube, on the sand, powerheads - everywhere. The snails will keep it at bay if it's short, but they miss a lot and I have to pick it out by hand. What a pain.